- 01-07-2007, 07:24 AM
- 01-07-2007, 08:37 AM
Originally Posted by Hyde12
- 01-07-2007, 11:51 AM
- Proviron is not DHT
- Proviron is not an FDA approved medication. Hence, no pharmacy in the US could fill an Rx for it.
01-09-2007, 12:03 AM
No No, I don't think doctors are the pimps, I mean the representives that come to see them. Sorry, it just annoys me how pharm companies basically bribe some doctors into giving out their meds, even if they are not the best for the job.Originally Posted by Dr. John
Yes meth is perscibed as Desoxyn from Ovction Pharmaceuticals. I think its used for ADD primarily.
And I am aware GHB is tightly controlled, I just think its funny it was banned, raised to a Class I, then dropped to a class II as a pharm version came out. Makes me wonder who really makes the laws in this country is all.
Sorry about being wrong about the proviron though, I didn't realize it was not FDA approved in the US.
EDIT: I spelled the company name wrong its Ovation
01-09-2007, 12:24 AM
I'm aware that GHB nor meth is commonly perscibed, but they can be. Desoxyn is normally only perscibed as a last ditch effort, in either cases of extreme obesity or when all other meds for ADD have failed. I think its a shame GHB isn't perscribed more often or for sale as a supplement anymore. Grant, some abused the drug, but its a lot less toxic than alcohol, which is abused for the same purposes. Infact, I think the only clinically approved use of GHB is for alcohol withdrawl, but I could be wrong.Originally Posted by Dr. John
I get what you mean on Proviron, there just isn't enough of a market for it someone to jump through the hoops needed to get it approved for sale. Ironically, someone took the time to get meth and GHB approved though. Which not only have niche markets, but a very negitive stigma around them.
Finally, I dub thee "Dr. Pimp." Move over Dr. Dre.
01-09-2007, 12:53 AM
Like girls who drink too much are never raped? I'm in college and can't tell you the number of times this has happened to female friends. I think its a shame that it happens, but the government is quite two faced about the problem. It was just amazing how it became illegal for sale as a supplement then was approved for medical purposes, I think there is more to it then just "date rape." Also you can still purchase some of the percursers online at a very cheap price ie 1,4 Butanediol. Which has very similar activity at not much higher dosage, but far greater toxicity (from what I have read anyway).Originally Posted by Dr. John
01-09-2007, 06:41 AM
Proviron IS DHT. its methyl-1-DHT that is why its such an effective antiestrogen and libido enhancer.Originally Posted by mranak
01-09-2007, 06:45 AM
It doesnt seem fair that Proviron cant be given as an RX like they do in Europe. It would seem like its a better alternative to TRT because it doesnt shut you down. I think everyone worries about the effects of DHT too much. You need some DHT for sex drive.
01-09-2007, 09:50 AM
sorry i dont have anything to contribute tho lol. just wanted to say some good points made here. Aspire i agree totally, companies pimp there medicine give out free stuff to doctors etc just to get them to use their medicine. Its sickening to me, they have so much power if you look at it.
01-09-2007, 10:15 AM
haha i was actually thinking of all the clocks, pens, and other office things that doctors have basically advertising the medicines name.
I double dip between a free medical insurance (no copay) and my company provided medical insurance ( which i have yet to use) so free is good for me seeing how i have over $165,000 of medical bills to pay. It makes my day to know that i owe that much money for breathing again.
01-09-2007, 03:35 PM
Free stuff like that obviously keeps your office supply costs down, and lower fees for patients :-)Originally Posted by Dr. John
Thanks for the pen, by the way.
01-09-2007, 04:08 PM
Thanks for the info Dr. John. My urologist put me on androgel yesterday. I hope it starts raising my libido some. How long does it usually take? My urologist said that a varicocele will not cause a loss in testosterone, but that just doesnt seem right. Should I stop the androgel and just get the varicocele fixed?Originally Posted by Dr. John
01-10-2007, 01:03 PM
01-22-2007, 12:59 PM
Are you sure about this? I was under the impression that all of these substances are now illegal.Originally Posted by aspire210
01-22-2007, 01:44 PM
type "1,4-butanediol" into google and see what comes up for companies selling it. I'm not talking about the wheel cleaner either. I wouldn't purchase it personally due to the fact that I'm sure the DEA is watching sales of it, but it is out their, as far as I know, easily purchased.Originally Posted by psywzrd
01-22-2007, 01:58 PM
Those places that sell it are all located outside the US because it's illegal to purchase in the US. You had me all excited there for a minute!Originally Posted by aspire210
01-22-2007, 05:54 PM
no, there is one in huston texas, its under "sponsered links". I can't post anymore info because its sourcing. I'm probably boarder line now, so if any mods think this is too far please delete this.Originally Posted by psywzrd
01-22-2007, 09:51 PM
You're absolutely right - it must not have come up the first time I did my search. I'm still leery of purchasing though. I don't see how they're legally selling it.Originally Posted by aspire210
01-22-2007, 10:30 PM
well its not federally scheduled, as far as I know, but it is considered a controlled substance in some states. The reason it hasn't be scheduled as of yet and its still legal(ish) is because of its use as an industrial solvent. Its also used to manufacture a lot of other things so there is a legitiment need. I would bet ,however , that it is closely monitered by the DEA. Like I said, I personally wouldn't order it.Originally Posted by psywzrd
01-22-2007, 10:33 PM
At what levels does DHT start to cause the issue of increased VAT?? I know that levels are "safe" far above the test range norms but at what levels does this phenomenan typically occur?Originally Posted by Dr. John
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