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200mg cream 2x daily or 125 sustanon weekly
You may know something that I am after.Just make sure you take Finasteride,or Dutasteride,and you can pretty much keep dht normalized..regardless of what kind of test..I recomend the finasteride systematic,and using duta topical,mixed with minoxidill,and spirolactone.
I am a bit confused by your post. Are you recommending he use finasteride orally along with a topical of dutasteride and spirolactone?? I can tell you that if I did that I believe my DHT and even perhaps test would be non existent.Just make sure you take Finasteride,or Dutasteride,and you can pretty much keep dht normalized..regardless of what kind of test..I recomend the finasteride systematic,and using duta topical,mixed with minoxidill,and spirolactone.
LOL am I the "random dude"??Dutasteride systematic is imo too strong,unless your on a test cycle.Like I am.I gave the example of what i take and it actully grows hair back on a test e cycle.I would go with the sustanon.Using duta topicly Does help regardless of what some random dude says.....tried and true...If i were you I would switch to finasteride orally...duta is way too strong,and has a half life of 5 weeks....fina is a few days.(unless your on a crazy test cycle) im only doing 250 a week
I beleve if you read my post you will see I am agreeing with you whole heartedly.......................WTF are you guys trying to do this this guy kill his sex life.
Finasteride will do this there is a whole web site of men that are a mess from using that crap.
Propecia Side Effects - Impotence, Low Libido, Erectile Dysfunction, Finasteride
I talk to these poor guys all the time dam sad storys.
Phil
LOL, low libido, erectile dysfunction, you'll be saying gyno next. I've been on propecia since 2002 and now i've switched to the REALLY STRONG STUFF dutasteride, den den den!!!! Honestly man, these side effects are minimal (thats if you are prone to them) , hell i've probably had them but barley noticed them at all, infact i may up the dosage. If a man can get messed up using finasteride, he must of been very sickly to start with.WTF are you guys trying to do this this guy kill his sex life.
Finasteride will do this there is a whole web site of men that are a mess from using that crap.
Propecia Side Effects - Impotence, Low Libido, Erectile Dysfunction, Finasteride
I talk to these poor guys all the time dam sad storys.
Phil
Topical treatments are a nice complementry in conjunction with finasteride or dutasteride, not instead of, that's if you are serious about losing your hair.Finasteride is, IMPO, nothing short of poison. It should never be taken, nor its competitor, Dutasteride.
There is absolutley no reason whatsoever to worry about maintaining "normal range" for DHT. In fact, serum DHT assays are a very poor biomarker for actual intracellular 5-AR activity.
If you want to protect your hair, use a topical preparation.
Can you elaborate as to why you feel systemic surpression of DHT is necessary as opposed to control at the binding sites on the scalp?Topical treatments are a nice complementry in conjunction with finasteride or dutasteride, not instead of, that's if you are serious about losing your hair.
Dont kid yourself, a lot of the problems associated with finasteride dont appear until you quit the drug. There's somthing not quite right about this drug for sure, its common knowledge. I know first hand - It did its best to try and turn me into a female. Gyno is on the drug information as a possible side effect and it definately does happen, its all over the internet. If youre still not convinced, have a look at all of these happy campers:LOL, low libido, erectile dysfunction, you'll be saying gyno next. I've been on propecia since 2002 and now i've switched to the REALLY STRONG STUFF dutasteride, den den den!!!! Honestly man, these side effects are minimal (thats if you are prone to them) , hell i've probably had them but barley noticed them at all, infact i may up the dosage. If a man can get messed up using finasteride, he must of been very sickly to start with.
Props:thumbsup: I have NO problems with sex drive because of either chem..I think they work great.I'm 6% bodyfat 186 pounds,bang like a jackrabbit,train like a bear.....Where exactly is the problem here...and prone to mpb,and growing hair like crazy....I guess only real men can use this stuff,and not be affectedLOL, low libido, erectile dysfunction, you'll be saying gyno next. I've been on propecia since 2002 and now i've switched to the REALLY STRONG STUFF dutasteride, den den den!!!! Honestly man, these side effects are minimal (thats if you are prone to them) , hell i've probably had them but barley noticed them at all, infact i may up the dosage. If a man can get messed up using finasteride, he must of been very sickly to start with.
First as I said in a previous post SOME people can use this stuff with no apparent problems. Thats GREAT and I am glad for those that can I truly am.Props:thumbsup: I have NO problems with sex drive because of either chem..I think they work great.I'm 6% bodyfat 186 pounds,bang like a jackrabbit,train like a bear.....Where exactly is the problem here...and prone to mpb,and growing hair like crazy....I guess only real men can use this stuff,and not be affected
Props:thumbsup:I guess only real men can use this stuff,and not be affected
So it's a bad idea to take dutagen or propecia (that the doctor probably presribed in the first place) than jabbing yourself with test e and stacking it with other orals and recovering your own hormone levels with more drugs?First as I said in a previous post SOME people can use this stuff with no apparent problems. Thats GREAT and I am glad for those that can I truly am.
I have never and I mean NEVER flamed anyone on here. This is my favorite board and has been a place I call home for a few years damn near. I gotta call this one like i see it though.
Your attitude SUCKS!! It is obvious from your tone AND level of knowledge that you dont even know what being a "real man" means. The board motto of Learn, Teach , Lead is something that most here follow and its what makes the board special. You are not doing any of those things when you dish out your bs attitude.
Im talking about keeping your barnet. What do people do if they want big muscles, they take steroids and are aware of the side effects. Same goes for your hair, what do you do if you don't want to be a baldie and it REALLY bothers you, you take the hair pills and are aware that you might get a few sides.Can you elaborate as to why you feel systemic surpression of DHT is necessary as opposed to control at the binding sites on the scalp?
I would think your contention would have to be that the topicals are ineffective at maintaining levels of effectiveness throughout a 24 hour day.
Also out of curiosity are you talking about using the combo of oral/topical during normal hormonal levels (whether self produced or HRT) or are you referring to times when test and DHT are supraphysiological?
Come on now read what I am saying. I have said several times now that it works for some and if it does GREAT. More power to you,.....I truly mean that!!!!So it's a bad idea to take dutagen or propecia (that the doctor probably presribed in the first place) than jabbing yourself with test e and stacking it with other orals and recovering your own hormone levels with more drugs?
200mg cream 2x daily or 125 sustanon weekly
yeah but who's gonna wanna s**g a baldie?I would personally rather lose some hair than lose my sex drive. Hey my hair is short anyway because im in the military
I hope your not a real doctor, the world would be in trouble, who have I insulted? finasteride and dutasteride are the way forward if you want to keep your mop, either tolerate the sides or go for the gentler topicals and accept the fact that they arn't very good.If you took one moment and actually learned a little of what you speak, you would know that this Forum is vehemently anti-steroid.
I will let you know that I am already weary of your smart alec, unintelligent, insulting comments. Straighten up and fly right, or go somewhere else.
yeah but who's gonna wanna s**g a baldie?
I would love to hear the name of topical that work.You are mistaken here as well. Topicals are profoundly more effective than systemic treatment. And without the sides.
I am sure Dr. J will answer you but if you care to hear it heres my general thought.I would love to hear the name of topical that work.
Rogaine did not, for me at least, but then I do not need it now since I have to fight my v high DHT,
first with Proscar now with Avodart.
As for Avodart,
my suspicion is that the problem is with dose size.
The pill (gel-cap) is too potent, but it is hard to make smaller pieces of it.
Avodart stays in the system for months, so the dose must be at the just right level.
I can go jojo with my DHT, using it daily as prescribed, DHT=29, stopped Avodart for six weeks DHT=226(30-85).
Now I am trying, not sure yet, once a week or once every other week, would like to get my DHT=80.
Any ideas?
Yes he is. And even though I am new to this board, I believe a bit more open mindedness on your part would go a long way to respecting others opinions.I hope your not a real doctor, the world would be in trouble, who have I insulted? finasteride and dutasteride are the way forward if you want to keep your mop, either tolerate the sides or go for the gentler topicals and accept the fact that they arn't very good.
I do not want to take my DHT down, when it is at 29 I am having ED problems. I just want to keep it at reasonable level, top of the range but not more than that. At the moment my hair do not fall off.I am sure Dr. J will answer you but if you care to hear it heres my general thought.
I dont beleive you necessarily want to take your serum DHT levels down. Specific to your hair the key is in preventing binding on the scalps AR receptors. A topical can achieve that while having far less of a chance to negatively impact healthy DHT levels and test levels for that matter.
Beyond hair there is also a good deal of research that suggests that high DHT is not as much a culprit in prostate issues as high estrogen.
I hope your not a real doctor, the world would be in trouble, who have I insulted? finasteride and dutasteride are the way forward if you want to keep your mop, either tolerate the sides or go for the gentler topicals and accept the fact that they arn't very good.
Amen... I just prempted the inevitable!!!! A little proaction, instead of reaction!!!!! And women love it.... something smooth to rub on when... errrr... . I mean...... Yeah!!!! :toofunny:Yes he is. And even though I am new to this board, I believe a bit more open mindedness on your part would go a long way to respecting others opinions.
Besides, bald is beautiful! AND it saves on haircuts!
I would love to hear the name of topical that work.
Rogaine did not, for me at least, but then I do not need it now since I have to fight my v high DHT,
first with Proscar now with Avodart.
As for Avodart,
my suspicion is that the problem is with dose size.
The pill (gel-cap) is too potent, but it is hard to make smaller pieces of it.
Avodart stays in the system for months, so the dose must be at the just right level.
I can go jojo with my DHT, using it daily as prescribed, DHT=29, stopped Avodart for six weeks DHT=226(30-85).Now I am trying, not sure yet, once a week or once every other week, would like to get my DHT=80.
Any ideas?
Yoyo Crazy - Home PageI use a proprietary blend of Nizoral and spironolactone.
Blast that DHT at the hair follicle. But let it do its good works everywhere else.
You cannot use the 5-AR inhibitors in such an intermittent fashion.
And, as I have said, serum DHT assays are a poor biomarker for intracellular activity.
BTW, what does the word "jojo" mean?
What BID mean?For you, I would use 150mg BID of DIM, and 500mg BID of TMP per day. Combined with a low glycemic diet (to reduce serum insulin levels), your prostate should shrink--without using the nasty 5-AR Inhibitors.
Thank you doctor.Twice per day.
Check your snail mail and e-mail.I was referring to a standard preparation of DIM.
When do I get my $50? lol
DR John,I use a proprietary blend of Nizoral and spironolactone.
Blast that DHT at the hair follicle. But let it do its good works everywhere else.
You cannot use the 5-AR inhibitors in such an intermittent fashion.
And, as I have said, serum DHT assays are a poor biomarker for intracellular activity.
BTW, what does the word "jojo" mean?
I've only taken it for 5 days and the "rash" is all clear. I imagine that wasn't enough to affect it and anyway, without testing for it, who knows.It wasn't much of a response.
If that were the case, they wouldn't have made propecia.You are mistaken here as well. Topicals are profoundly more effective than systemic treatment. And without the sides.
Why do you say that?If that were the case, they wouldn't have made propecia.
Thank you doctor.
Now $50 question.
Wonder if I could get clarification on DIM.
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My dose is:
"For you, I would use 150mg BID of DIM"
I understand that is 2x150=300mg of DIM daily
My source of DIM will be PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
it content is described as:
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Serving Size: 1 Tablet Amount/Serving %DV
Indolplex® Complex 120 mg *
modified food starch, 25% diindolylmethane (DIM), d-alpha tocopheryl succinate, silicon dioxide, and phosphatidylcholine
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so each tablet contains 0.25x129=40mg of DIM
To get my 300mg/day dose
300/40=7.5 tablets daily
Is that correct?
Lots of DIM isnt it??
Have I missunderstood your directions?
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I am not sure what to make of all the phosphatidylcholine that I will be taking with Indolplex tablets..
With in supplements that I am already taking, there is
Phosphatidylcholine (from soy) 150 mg
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Alpha-Glyceryl Phosphoryl Choline (A-GPC) 600 mg
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Phosphatidylserine 100 mg
[SharpPS Gold™ Conjugated Phosphatidylserine-DHA
(std. to 45% PS and 8% DHA) and phosphatidylserine]
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Phosphatidylcholine-Grape Seed Extract 150 mg
[Contains 50 mg of Leucoselect® Phytosome™ grape
seed extract (95% polyphenols) bound to 100 mg of
phosphatidylcholine from soy]
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Yep you learn something new every day LOL With my condition I learn to read labels to look for fillers and binder that could alte thyroid medications. After 3 years of a simple misdiagnoses I am not taking any steps to go back wards only forward and back to good health.Didn't know that of the Indolplex product.
I use Nick Delgado's Estroblock product. As some of you know, I served as his company's Medical Director for several years.
I still till this day have not seen any clincal studies done on rats or humans to confer this.
Soon....Dear Sir,
Clinical studies looking at serum estradiol levels before and after
BioResponse DIM are only now in progress based on the collaboration
between BioResponse LLC and the National Cancer Institute. Earlier
published work looking at DIM in plasma generated from oral I3C showed
no change in serum estradiol levels. What did change was an increase in
the metabolism of Estrone the less active circulating form of estradiol.
Increased metabolism of Estrone to 2-hydroxy Estrone was found.
So, DIM itself is not a inhibitor of aromatase or a means to lower
estradiol which replaces the use of arimidex. DIM can be taken in
conjunction with arimidex. This helps maintain high 2-hydroxy estrogen
levels which may be beneficial for the prostate gland.
Kind regards,
Michael A. Zeligs, M.D.
Founder, BioResponse, LLC
FYI ic3 will not work with people with adrenal fatigue or hypothyroid reason being your need stomach acids to activate it to DIM. So people with low acid problems in stomach or general population of 50-60 years of age will not benefit from it at all, but will benefite from DIMSoon....
She turned 3 Feb 5th....(sorry were way off topic)Your daughter is fortunate enough to have a father who knows how to act.
YOU have a 3 year old?
I found 2 estroblock products and one is trade marked and his is not. I am suprised no one has been trying to get legal rights. One looks like crap and Dr Delgado's looks alot more plain and simple then all the other big fancy names in the other one. I like the fact that his contains just dim and IC3 THAT it with no binders or anything like that.Didn't know that of the Indolplex product.
I use Nick Delgado's Estroblock product. As some of you know, I served as his company's Medical Director for several years.
She is precious and you answered the question that all man have been wanting to know does TRT affect your ability to be infertile well you DEFINITELY proved that it does not :drunk:She turned 3 Feb 5th....(sorry were way off topic)
I just had to show her off..shes my angel.
Jcam22 how much time did it take for your sex drive to come back?As a side note while many seem to have a decent experience with finasteride I thought my sex drive might never normalize after I took it for about a year.
propecia is supposedly more harsh on the system than topicals, but people will try the topicals first as there are not as many side effects, but some people will turn to finasteride and the likes because they are more effective, but obviously taking more risks.Please share your reasoning behind such a statement.
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