testosterone cream V.S sustanon which is easier on your hair

[Hyde12]

I would personally rather lose some hair than lose my sex drive. Hey my hair is short anyway because im in the military

[dobebrief]

I would personally rather lose some hair than lose my sex drive. Hey my hair is short anyway because im in the military

yeah but who's gonna wanna s**g a baldie?

[dobebrief]

If you took one moment and actually learned a little of what you speak, you would know that this Forum is vehemently anti-steroid.

I will let you know that I am already weary of your smart alec, unintelligent, insulting comments. Straighten up and fly right, or go somewhere else.

I hope your not a real doctor, the world would be in trouble, who have I insulted? finasteride and dutasteride are the way forward if you want to keep your mop, either tolerate the sides or go for the gentler topicals and accept the fact that they arn't very good.

[jcam222]

yeah but who's gonna wanna s**g a baldie?

You picked an appropriate name here as I think your stay with us truly is going to be brief.

[JanSz]

You are mistaken here as well. Topicals are profoundly more effective than systemic treatment. And without the sides.

I would love to hear the name of topical that work.
Rogaine did not, for me at least, but then I do not need it now since I have to fight my v high DHT,
first with Proscar now with Avodart.
As for Avodart,
my suspicion is that the problem is with dose size.
The pill (gel-cap) is too potent, but it is hard to make smaller pieces of it.
Avodart stays in the system for months, so the dose must be at the just right level.
I can go jojo with my DHT, using it daily as prescribed, DHT=29, stopped Avodart for six weeks DHT=226(30-85).
Now I am trying, not sure yet, once a week or once every other week, would like to get my DHT=80.
Any ideas?

[jcam222]

I would love to hear the name of topical that work.
Rogaine did not, for me at least, but then I do not need it now since I have to fight my v high DHT,
first with Proscar now with Avodart.
As for Avodart,
my suspicion is that the problem is with dose size.
The pill (gel-cap) is too potent, but it is hard to make smaller pieces of it.
Avodart stays in the system for months, so the dose must be at the just right level.
I can go jojo with my DHT, using it daily as prescribed, DHT=29, stopped Avodart for six weeks DHT=226(30-85).
Now I am trying, not sure yet, once a week or once every other week, would like to get my DHT=80.
Any ideas?

I am sure Dr. J will answer you but if you care to hear it heres my general thought.

I dont beleive you necessarily want to take your serum DHT levels down. Specific to your hair the key is in preventing binding on the scalps AR receptors. A topical can achieve that while having far less of a chance to negatively impact healthy DHT levels and test levels for that matter.

Beyond hair there is also a good deal of research that suggests that high DHT is not as much a culprit in prostate issues as high estrogen.

[SoMdHunter]

I hope your not a real doctor, the world would be in trouble, who have I insulted? finasteride and dutasteride are the way forward if you want to keep your mop, either tolerate the sides or go for the gentler topicals and accept the fact that they arn't very good.

Yes he is. And even though I am new to this board, I believe a bit more open mindedness on your part would go a long way to respecting others opinions.

Besides, bald is beautiful! AND it saves on haircuts!

[JanSz]

I am sure Dr. J will answer you but if you care to hear it heres my general thought.

I dont beleive you necessarily want to take your serum DHT levels down. Specific to your hair the key is in preventing binding on the scalps AR receptors. A topical can achieve that while having far less of a chance to negatively impact healthy DHT levels and test levels for that matter.

Beyond hair there is also a good deal of research that suggests that high DHT is not as much a culprit in prostate issues as high estrogen.

I do not want to take my DHT down, when it is at 29 I am having ED problems. I just want to keep it at reasonable level, top of the range but not more than that. At the moment my hair do not fall off.

[sdmf45]

I hope your not a real doctor, the world would be in trouble, who have I insulted? finasteride and dutasteride are the way forward if you want to keep your mop, either tolerate the sides or go for the gentler topicals and accept the fact that they arn't very good.

Wow you are on a roll now i know that i havn't been here very long but from what i've learned here you just insulted a very well known doctor that alot of people respect. I highly suggest you go on and push and read some more posts before you put down someone who has studied and practiced for years what you think you know.

[DAdams91982]

Yes he is. And even though I am new to this board, I believe a bit more open mindedness on your part would go a long way to respecting others opinions.

Besides, bald is beautiful! AND it saves on haircuts!

Amen... I just prempted the inevitable!!!! A little proaction, instead of reaction!!!!! And women love it.... something smooth to rub on when... errrr... . I mean...... Yeah!!!!

Adams

[TripDog]

Hey listen guys,I'm really not trying to be a d1ck..Sorry if it came across that way..I'm just saying that for me personally I don't think finasteride,or duta are THAt bad.I love these boards,learn alot,and JCAM,sorry brother were all REAL men...thats why we are on these boards

[JanSz]

I would love to hear the name of topical that work.
Rogaine did not, for me at least, but then I do not need it now since I have to fight my v high DHT,
first with Proscar now with Avodart.
As for Avodart,
my suspicion is that the problem is with dose size.
The pill (gel-cap) is too potent, but it is hard to make smaller pieces of it.
Avodart stays in the system for months, so the dose must be at the just right level.
I can go jojo with my DHT, using it daily as prescribed, DHT=29, stopped Avodart for six weeks DHT=226(30-85).Now I am trying, not sure yet, once a week or once every other week, would like to get my DHT=80.
Any ideas?

I use a proprietary blend of Nizoral and spironolactone.

Blast that DHT at the hair follicle. But let it do its good works everywhere else.
You cannot use the 5-AR inhibitors in such an intermittent fashion.

And, as I have said, serum DHT assays are a poor biomarker for intracellular activity.

BTW, what does the word "jojo" mean?

Yoyo Crazy - Home Page
Sorry, english is my second language, I meant YOYO.
It goes up and down and up and down and so on...
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DHT is doing its good job when it is at say 85, (maximum range).
When my DHT=226 it probably does very questionable job on my v large prostate.
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as I am assesing my options about Avodart, possibly using Durastride
AG-Guys & Affiliates :: Accessories :: Durastride
may provide a way to reduce Avodart dose equal to one gell cap per week but using liitle duasteride daily.

[JanSz]

For you, I would use 150mg BID of DIM, and 500mg BID of TMP per day. Combined with a low glycemic diet (to reduce serum insulin levels), your prostate should shrink--without using the nasty 5-AR Inhibitors.

What BID mean?
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As for DIM I thought that it is taken to reduce E2.
PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
Indolplex® Complex 120 mg
but I think it have 25% of DIM
Should I take 4 or 5 pills daily?
I probably should make inventory of all the AI that I am taking and stop it.
I3C,
Nettle (Urtica dioica)
Chrysin
probably others
I am already taking small amounts of DIM=14mg/day
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By chance, have you ment TMG?
I do not know what is TMP (typo??).
I am already taking 100mg of TMG with may multitude of supplements.
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I do not eat much sugar, blood sugar ok.
Nothing will shrink my prostate except possibly scalpel.
05/27/2005
prostate volume=70.2cc
transition zone =42cc
but sincerely thank you for your attempt.

[JanSz]

Twice per day.

Thank you doctor.

Now $50 question.

Wonder if I could get clarification on DIM.
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My dose is:
"For you, I would use 150mg BID of DIM"
I understand that is 2x150=300mg of DIM daily

My source of DIM will be PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
it content is described as:
..............
Serving Size: 1 Tablet Amount/Serving %DV
Indolplex® Complex 120 mg *
modified food starch, 25% diindolylmethane (DIM), d-alpha tocopheryl succinate, silicon dioxide, and phosphatidylcholine
................
so each tablet contains 0.25x129=40mg of DIM
To get my 300mg/day dose
300/40=7.5 tablets daily

Is that correct?
Lots of DIM isnt it??
Have I missunderstood your directions?
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I am not sure what to make of all the phosphatidylcholine that I will be taking with Indolplex tablets..

With in supplements that I am already taking, there is
Phosphatidylcholine (from soy) 150 mg
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Alpha-Glyceryl Phosphoryl Choline (A-GPC) 600 mg
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Phosphatidylserine 100 mg
[SharpPS Gold™ Conjugated Phosphatidylserine-DHA
(std. to 45% PS and 8% DHA) and phosphatidylserine]
---
Phosphatidylcholine-Grape Seed Extract 150 mg
[Contains 50 mg of Leucoselect® Phytosome™ grape
seed extract (95% polyphenols) bound to 100 mg of
phosphatidylcholine from soy]
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[JanSz]

I was referring to a standard preparation of DIM.

When do I get my $50? lol

Check your snail mail and e-mail.

[cajunbam]

I use a proprietary blend of Nizoral and spironolactone.

Blast that DHT at the hair follicle. But let it do its good works everywhere else.

You cannot use the 5-AR inhibitors in such an intermittent fashion.

And, as I have said, serum DHT assays are a poor biomarker for intracellular activity.

BTW, what does the word "jojo" mean?

DR John,

I've used nizoral tabs in the past to get rid of a pesky tinea versicolor. Was my DHT being screwed up at the same time?

Thanks,
Brian

[cajunbam]

Don't know.

Thanks for responding.....

Brian

[cajunbam]

It wasn't much of a response.

I've only taken it for 5 days and the "rash" is all clear. I imagine that wasn't enough to affect it and anyway, without testing for it, who knows.

I appreciate your time,
Brian

[getreal]

You are mistaken here as well. Topicals are profoundly more effective than systemic treatment. And without the sides.

If that were the case, they wouldn't have made propecia.

[ItsHectic]

If that were the case, they wouldn't have made propecia.

Why do you say that?

Companies will make what sells, "hey you wanna rub this into your head every day, or just take a pill?"

They made sustanon wich is the same principle, although some people do prefere it.