testosterone cream V.S sustanon which is easier on your hair

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz
    I would love to hear the name of topical that work.
    Rogaine did not, for me at least, but then I do not need it now since I have to fight my v high DHT,
    first with Proscar now with Avodart.
    As for Avodart,
    my suspicion is that the problem is with dose size.
    The pill (gel-cap) is too potent, but it is hard to make smaller pieces of it.
    Avodart stays in the system for months, so the dose must be at the just right level.
    I can go jojo with my DHT, using it daily as prescribed, DHT=29, stopped Avodart for six weeks DHT=226(30-85).
    Now I am trying, not sure yet, once a week or once every other week, would like to get my DHT=80.
    Any ideas?
    I am sure Dr. J will answer you but if you care to hear it heres my general thought.

    I dont beleive you necessarily want to take your serum DHT levels down. Specific to your hair the key is in preventing binding on the scalps AR receptors. A topical can achieve that while having far less of a chance to negatively impact healthy DHT levels and test levels for that matter.

    Beyond hair there is also a good deal of research that suggests that high DHT is not as much a culprit in prostate issues as high estrogen.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by dobebrief
    I hope your not a real doctor, the world would be in trouble, who have I insulted? finasteride and dutasteride are the way forward if you want to keep your mop, either tolerate the sides or go for the gentler topicals and accept the fact that they arn't very good.
    Yes he is. And even though I am new to this board, I believe a bit more open mindedness on your part would go a long way to respecting others opinions.

    Besides, bald is beautiful! AND it saves on haircuts!
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by jcam222
    I am sure Dr. J will answer you but if you care to hear it heres my general thought.

    I dont beleive you necessarily want to take your serum DHT levels down. Specific to your hair the key is in preventing binding on the scalps AR receptors. A topical can achieve that while having far less of a chance to negatively impact healthy DHT levels and test levels for that matter.

    Beyond hair there is also a good deal of research that suggests that high DHT is not as much a culprit in prostate issues as high estrogen.
    I do not want to take my DHT down, when it is at 29 I am having ED problems. I just want to keep it at reasonable level, top of the range but not more than that. At the moment my hair do not fall off.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by dobebrief
    I hope your not a real doctor, the world would be in trouble, who have I insulted? finasteride and dutasteride are the way forward if you want to keep your mop, either tolerate the sides or go for the gentler topicals and accept the fact that they arn't very good.

    Wow you are on a roll now i know that i havn't been here very long but from what i've learned here you just insulted a very well known doctor that alot of people respect. I highly suggest you go on and push and read some more posts before you put down someone who has studied and practiced for years what you think you know.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by SoMdHunter
    Yes he is. And even though I am new to this board, I believe a bit more open mindedness on your part would go a long way to respecting others opinions.

    Besides, bald is beautiful! AND it saves on haircuts!
    Amen... I just prempted the inevitable!!!! A little proaction, instead of reaction!!!!! And women love it.... something smooth to rub on when... errrr... . I mean...... Yeah!!!!

    Adams
    The Historic PES Legend
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  6. Hey listen guys,I'm really not trying to be a d1ck..Sorry if it came across that way..I'm just saying that for me personally I don't think finasteride,or duta are THAt bad.I love these boards,learn alot,and JCAM,sorry brother were all REAL men...thats why we are on these boards

  7. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz
    I would love to hear the name of topical that work.
    Rogaine did not, for me at least, but then I do not need it now since I have to fight my v high DHT,
    first with Proscar now with Avodart.
    As for Avodart,
    my suspicion is that the problem is with dose size.
    The pill (gel-cap) is too potent, but it is hard to make smaller pieces of it.
    Avodart stays in the system for months, so the dose must be at the just right level.
    I can go jojo with my DHT, using it daily as prescribed, DHT=29, stopped Avodart for six weeks DHT=226(30-85).Now I am trying, not sure yet, once a week or once every other week, would like to get my DHT=80.
    Any ideas?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John
    I use a proprietary blend of Nizoral and spironolactone.

    Blast that DHT at the hair follicle. But let it do its good works everywhere else.
    You cannot use the 5-AR inhibitors in such an intermittent fashion.

    And, as I have said, serum DHT assays are a poor biomarker for intracellular activity.

    BTW, what does the word "jojo" mean?
    Yoyo Crazy - Home Page
    Sorry, english is my second language, I meant YOYO.
    It goes up and down and up and down and so on...
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    DHT is doing its good job when it is at say 85, (maximum range).
    When my DHT=226 it probably does very questionable job on my v large prostate.
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    as I am assesing my options about Avodart, possibly using Durastride
    AG-Guys & Affiliates :: Accessories :: Durastride
    may provide a way to reduce Avodart dose equal to one gell cap per week but using liitle duasteride daily.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John
    For you, I would use 150mg BID of DIM, and 500mg BID of TMP per day. Combined with a low glycemic diet (to reduce serum insulin levels), your prostate should shrink--without using the nasty 5-AR Inhibitors.
    What BID mean?
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    As for DIM I thought that it is taken to reduce E2.
    PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
    Indolplex® Complex 120 mg
    but I think it have 25% of DIM
    Should I take 4 or 5 pills daily?
    I probably should make inventory of all the AI that I am taking and stop it.
    I3C,
    Nettle (Urtica dioica)
    Chrysin
    probably others
    I am already taking small amounts of DIM=14mg/day
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    By chance, have you ment TMG?
    I do not know what is TMP (typo??).
    I am already taking 100mg of TMG with may multitude of supplements.
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    I do not eat much sugar, blood sugar ok.
    Nothing will shrink my prostate except possibly scalpel.
    05/27/2005
    prostate volume=70.2cc
    transition zone =42cc
    but sincerely thank you for your attempt.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John
    Twice per day.
    Thank you doctor.

    Now $50 question.

    Wonder if I could get clarification on DIM.
    -------
    My dose is:
    "For you, I would use 150mg BID of DIM"
    I understand that is 2x150=300mg of DIM daily

    My source of DIM will be PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
    it content is described as:
    ..............
    Serving Size: 1 Tablet Amount/Serving %DV
    Indolplex® Complex 120 mg *
    modified food starch, 25% diindolylmethane (DIM), d-alpha tocopheryl succinate, silicon dioxide, and phosphatidylcholine
    ................
    so each tablet contains 0.25x129=40mg of DIM
    To get my 300mg/day dose
    300/40=7.5 tablets daily

    Is that correct?
    Lots of DIM isnt it??
    Have I missunderstood your directions?
    ============================== ==================
    I am not sure what to make of all the phosphatidylcholine that I will be taking with Indolplex tablets..

    With in supplements that I am already taking, there is
    Phosphatidylcholine (from soy) 150 mg
    ---
    Alpha-Glyceryl Phosphoryl Choline (A-GPC) 600 mg
    ---
    Phosphatidylserine 100 mg
    [SharpPS Gold™ Conjugated Phosphatidylserine-DHA
    (std. to 45% PS and 8% DHA) and phosphatidylserine]
    ---
    Phosphatidylcholine-Grape Seed Extract 150 mg
    [Contains 50 mg of Leucoselect® Phytosome™ grape
    seed extract (95% polyphenols) bound to 100 mg of
    phosphatidylcholine from soy]
    ---

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John
    I was referring to a standard preparation of DIM.

    When do I get my $50? lol
    Check your snail mail and e-mail.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John
    I use a proprietary blend of Nizoral and spironolactone.

    Blast that DHT at the hair follicle. But let it do its good works everywhere else.

    You cannot use the 5-AR inhibitors in such an intermittent fashion.

    And, as I have said, serum DHT assays are a poor biomarker for intracellular activity.

    BTW, what does the word "jojo" mean?
    DR John,

    I've used nizoral tabs in the past to get rid of a pesky tinea versicolor. Was my DHT being screwed up at the same time?

    Thanks,
    Brian

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John
    Don't know.

    Thanks for responding.....

    Brian

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John
    It wasn't much of a response.
    I've only taken it for 5 days and the "rash" is all clear. I imagine that wasn't enough to affect it and anyway, without testing for it, who knows.

    I appreciate your time,
    Brian

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John View Post
    You are mistaken here as well. Topicals are profoundly more effective than systemic treatment. And without the sides.
    If that were the case, they wouldn't have made propecia.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by getreal View Post
    If that were the case, they wouldn't have made propecia.
    Why do you say that?

    Companies will make what sells, "hey you wanna rub this into your head every day, or just take a pill?"

    They made sustanon wich is the same principle, although some people do prefere it.

  16. dobebrief
    Banned

    Wow Dr. John, do you have 6 guns on both hips? I just love the way you shoot!

    Fast and straight.

    My 3 yr old added you to her nightly prayers...

    "Dear God... Please dont let my Daddy make Dr. John mad!"

    Youre the man!!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Thank you doctor.

    Now $50 question.

    Wonder if I could get clarification on DIM.
    -------
    My dose is:
    "For you, I would use 150mg BID of DIM"
    I understand that is 2x150=300mg of DIM daily

    My source of DIM will be PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
    it content is described as:
    ..............
    Serving Size: 1 Tablet Amount/Serving %DV
    Indolplex® Complex 120 mg *
    modified food starch, 25% diindolylmethane (DIM), d-alpha tocopheryl succinate, silicon dioxide, and phosphatidylcholine
    ................
    so each tablet contains 0.25x129=40mg of DIM
    To get my 300mg/day dose
    300/40=7.5 tablets daily

    Is that correct?
    Lots of DIM isnt it??
    Have I missunderstood your directions?
    ============================== ==================
    I am not sure what to make of all the phosphatidylcholine that I will be taking with Indolplex tablets..

    With in supplements that I am already taking, there is
    Phosphatidylcholine (from soy) 150 mg
    ---
    Alpha-Glyceryl Phosphoryl Choline (A-GPC) 600 mg
    ---
    Phosphatidylserine 100 mg
    [SharpPS Gold™ Conjugated Phosphatidylserine-DHA
    (std. to 45% PS and 8% DHA) and phosphatidylserine]
    ---
    Phosphatidylcholine-Grape Seed Extract 150 mg
    [Contains 50 mg of Leucoselect® Phytosome™ grape
    seed extract (95% polyphenols) bound to 100 mg of
    phosphatidylcholine from soy]
    ---

    Please be aware taken 300 mgs of dim via indoplex you are going to end up with calcium over load there is 320 mgs of calcium per tab x 7 and you are around 2200 mgs calcoium carbonate not inlcusing multivitamin even and milk products. Basically you are going to create a zinc, magnesium, iron imbalance from taking all that. Not mentioning you re going to waste your thyroid medication as well with all of that kind of calcium carbonate (if you are taken armour)

    Dr john how do you get your 300mgs of dim a day? 150 bid but wat brand?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John View Post
    Didn't know that of the Indolplex product.

    I use Nick Delgado's Estroblock product. As some of you know, I served as his company's Medical Director for several years.
    Yep you learn something new every day LOL With my condition I learn to read labels to look for fillers and binder that could alte thyroid medications. After 3 years of a simple misdiagnoses I am not taking any steps to go back wards only forward and back to good health.

    So in your medical opinon DIM DOESN"T lower estrodial, but alters ESTROGEN metabolites and by products in favor better Good:bad estrogen. I still till this day have not seen any clincal studies done on rats or humans to confer this. REason I think it helps with some many people because alot of people with hormonal related problem are undermethyators and thats why they respond so good because it actually would possible help to raise Samm-e levels indirectly. Be an interesting study does DIM actually alter methylation with in the liver and increase sam-e levels by reducing the burden on the total methyation process

  19. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    I still till this day have not seen any clincal studies done on rats or humans to confer this.
    Dear Sir,

    Clinical studies looking at serum estradiol levels before and after
    BioResponse DIM are only now in progress based on the collaboration
    between BioResponse LLC and the National Cancer Institute.
    Earlier
    published work looking at DIM in plasma generated from oral I3C showed
    no change in serum estradiol levels. What did change was an increase in
    the metabolism of Estrone the less active circulating form of estradiol.
    Increased metabolism of Estrone to 2-hydroxy Estrone was found.

    So, DIM itself is not a inhibitor of aromatase or a means to lower
    estradiol which replaces the use of arimidex. DIM can be taken in
    conjunction with arimidex. This helps maintain high 2-hydroxy estrogen
    levels which may be beneficial for the prostate gland.

    Kind regards,

    Michael A. Zeligs, M.D.
    Founder, BioResponse, LLC
    Soon....

  20. Quote Originally Posted by ItsHectic View Post
    Soon....
    FYI ic3 will not work with people with adrenal fatigue or hypothyroid reason being your need stomach acids to activate it to DIM. So people with low acid problems in stomach or general population of 50-60 years of age will not benefit from it at all, but will benefite from DIM

    Thats next project urine for the right ratios i mentioned to my dr and fact that i have low homocysteine levels he agreed that there could be alterations going on behind the door so to speak. But again this is only dealing with the symptoms of the cause which is the elevated histamines from Ecoli and what ever else is running rampant in my gut. histmaines will interfer with methylation and methylation is needed for proper estrogen metabolism. By taking care of the estrogen metabolism will not take care of the source, but it will help in some ways i am sure.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John View Post
    Your daughter is fortunate enough to have a father who knows how to act.

    YOU have a 3 year old?
    She turned 3 Feb 5th....(sorry were way off topic)
    I just had to show her off..shes my angel.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John View Post
    Didn't know that of the Indolplex product.

    I use Nick Delgado's Estroblock product. As some of you know, I served as his company's Medical Director for several years.
    I found 2 estroblock products and one is trade marked and his is not. I am suprised no one has been trying to get legal rights. One looks like crap and Dr Delgado's looks alot more plain and simple then all the other big fancy names in the other one. I like the fact that his contains just dim and IC3 THAT it with no binders or anything like that.

    So here is 64 million dollar question if your estrodial levels are fine and your bad:good ratio is high could you still have problem and symptoms of elevated estrogen dispite your estrogen levels being PERFECT or would the imbalnace be shown up more an altered SHBG? Hmm i love making you have to think HAHAHa

  23. Quote Originally Posted by AGELESS View Post
    She turned 3 Feb 5th....(sorry were way off topic)
    I just had to show her off..shes my angel.
    She is precious and you answered the question that all man have been wanting to know does TRT affect your ability to be infertile well you DEFINITELY proved that it does not

  24. Quote Originally Posted by jcam222 View Post

    As a side note while many seem to have a decent experience with finasteride I thought my sex drive might never normalize after I took it for about a year.
    Jcam22 how much time did it take for your sex drive to come back?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John View Post
    Please share your reasoning behind such a statement.
    propecia is supposedly more harsh on the system than topicals, but people will try the topicals first as there are not as many side effects, but some people will turn to finasteride and the likes because they are more effective, but obviously taking more risks.
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