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- 02-13-2007, 08:04 PM
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Please be aware taken 300 mgs of dim via indoplex you are going to end up with calcium over load there is 320 mgs of calcium per tab x 7 and you are around 2200 mgs calcoium carbonate not inlcusing multivitamin even and milk products. Basically you are going to create a zinc, magnesium, iron imbalance from taking all that. Not mentioning you re going to waste your thyroid medication as well with all of that kind of calcium carbonate (if you are taken armour)
Dr john how do you get your 300mgs of dim a day? 150 bid but wat brand?
- 02-13-2007, 08:48 PM
So in your medical opinon DIM DOESN"T lower estrodial, but alters ESTROGEN metabolites and by products in favor better Good:bad estrogen. I still till this day have not seen any clincal studies done on rats or humans to confer this. REason I think it helps with some many people because alot of people with hormonal related problem are undermethyators and thats why they respond so good because it actually would possible help to raise Samm-e levels indirectly. Be an interesting study does DIM actually alter methylation with in the liver and increase sam-e levels by reducing the burden on the total methyation process
02-13-2007, 08:53 PM
Clinical studies looking at serum estradiol levels before and after
BioResponse DIM are only now in progress based on the collaboration
between BioResponse LLC and the National Cancer Institute. Earlier
published work looking at DIM in plasma generated from oral I3C showed
no change in serum estradiol levels. What did change was an increase in
the metabolism of Estrone the less active circulating form of estradiol.
Increased metabolism of Estrone to 2-hydroxy Estrone was found.
So, DIM itself is not a inhibitor of aromatase or a means to lower
estradiol which replaces the use of arimidex. DIM can be taken in
conjunction with arimidex. This helps maintain high 2-hydroxy estrogen
levels which may be beneficial for the prostate gland.
Michael A. Zeligs, M.D.
Founder, BioResponse, LLC
02-13-2007, 08:56 PM
Thats next project urine for the right ratios i mentioned to my dr and fact that i have low homocysteine levels he agreed that there could be alterations going on behind the door so to speak. But again this is only dealing with the symptoms of the cause which is the elevated histamines from Ecoli and what ever else is running rampant in my gut. histmaines will interfer with methylation and methylation is needed for proper estrogen metabolism. By taking care of the estrogen metabolism will not take care of the source, but it will help in some ways i am sure.
02-13-2007, 09:03 PM
02-13-2007, 09:15 PM
So here is 64 million dollar question if your estrodial levels are fine and your bad:good ratio is high could you still have problem and symptoms of elevated estrogen dispite your estrogen levels being PERFECT or would the imbalnace be shown up more an altered SHBG? Hmm i love making you have to think HAHAHa
02-13-2007, 09:16 PM
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02-14-2007, 03:52 PM
The topical equivalent of Propecia would be a spirolactone product. In my opinion , and I believe Dr. Johns opinion as well, the topical is a preferred route of administration for this purpose. Remember that when surpressing DHT sytemically you negatively impact all the good things that a healthy DHT level brings with it.
02-14-2007, 04:18 PM
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02-14-2007, 06:22 PM
Oreder Spiro from Dr. Lee @ minoxidil.com.....you have to complete a consultation first and become a patient...$20...Then order....Email him w/questions and he will respond promptly...super knowledegable guy, all his ideas based on science....
Blood flow and hairloss is a common myth/misconception....Inflammation may play a role....
Just so you know, Spiro smells like rotten eggs, especially when combined w/minox....
Other topical option include Spectral DNC, and the new rogaine foam....
Dr Lee also seels his versions of minox....dry faster and cleaner w/variwed concentrations...also Xandrox, which combines w/azelic acid...
Lots of misinformation in this thread.....
02-14-2007, 06:29 PM
Nobody really knows exactly how/why minox works, as finasteride is unpredictable....Remember, both are the result of a side effect observed from a different application....
02-14-2007, 07:55 PM
I think what you meant is that topical sides are negligable in comparisom....I had to discontinue Nizoral due to side effects.....granted, it wasn't ED, but it was severe enough (super dry hair/contour irregularity) to discontinue use....
Minox has effected me much the same way...Hypertrichosis....Also, Facial hair became coarser and grew at sporadic angles......Ironically, the fact that I got the sides indicated that I , case specifically, would benefit from maintenence/regrowth as a result of continued use...
Some claim hormonal interference from topical spiro also....
02-14-2007, 11:38 PM
Personally, Ive got mostly a full head of hair, although its started to slightly creep back, but I still shave it anyways, I feel it looks better.
02-14-2007, 11:52 PM
Apparently, apples have some sort of compound in them that help prevent hairloss. Read that in quite few different places, but for the life of me I can't seem to find a link.
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09-16-2007, 04:12 PM
Old thread, but haven't we also discussed the idea that lowering estrogen will also lower DHT on the idea that the body can produce /convert more DHT to compete with higher E?
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