Morning Wood -- What da Deal-yo?

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  1. Morning Wood -- What da Deal-yo?


    So what's the deal with morning wood?? I mean; what does it mean in terms of HPTA recovery and proper function. When I was on HRT a while back I recall that I quit having morning wood at all. I didn't think much of it since I was still able to obtain e****lent erection when it was time to do the nice'ty. However, ever since I started recovering my HPTA post abandoning HRT, there was a lot of talk about morning wood from everyone and its value to guage one's proper function and HPTA recovery. Sure enough, my morning wood has eventually returned back to normal like it used to be a long ago before HRT.

    My questions are:
    - Is there a true value to this Morning Wood guage in the context of proper HPTA function?

    - Do older guys in the fourties for instance have as frequent AM Woods as those in their twenties and thirties?

    - What causes AM Wood and if one doesn't have it, does it mean there's something wrong hormonally?

    - ..... that's it for now... I guess...


  2. Quote Originally Posted by BigAk
    So what's the deal with morning wood?? I mean; what does it mean in terms of HPTA recovery and proper function. When I was on HRT a while back I recall that I quit having morning wood at all. I didn't think much of it since I was still able to obtain e****lent erection when it was time to do the nice'ty. However, ever since I started recovering my HPTA post abandoning HRT, there was a lot of talk about morning wood from everyone and its value to guage one's proper function and HPTA recovery. Sure enough, my morning wood has eventually returned back to normal like it used to be a long ago before HRT.

    My questions are:
    - Is there a true value to this Morning Wood guage in the context of proper HPTA function?

    - Do older guys in the fourties for instance have as frequent AM Woods as those in their twenties and thirties?

    - What causes AM Wood and if one doesn't have it, does it mean there's something wrong hormonally?

    - ..... that's it for now... I guess...
    Good Question I have been the one pushing his wood and things working when you have it. I just know when I have wood in the morning my E2 is just right I don't know about HPTA Function. Morning wood is called Nocturnal Erections and yes we should have them as low as we are alive. They are the bodys why to keep your penis healthy.
    Nocturnal erections
    Phil
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  3. I too am interested because I rarely have them now ever since pro hormones. I think that it does have something to do with estrogens because I notice when I take an anti-e before bed that I have a greater chance of having them.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12
    I too am interested because I rarely have them now ever since pro hormones. I think that it does have something to do with estrogens because I notice when I take an anti-e before bed that I have a greater chance of having them.
    Well get it tested if your E2 is high and your SBGH is low take something to bring it down. I was talking to guy on TRT he has no testis and was feeling very hot and having flashing. His E2 was 48 he got some Indolplex/DIM took one tablet a day at dinner time after 4 days he woke with what he called the hardest wood he ever had and he is feeling much better. Don't mess with E2 unless you have a test showing it high you can bring it down to low and it's just as bad as to high.
    PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
    Also take some as per Dr. John TMG it helps wash out the good E's that get converted and bad ones from the liver.
    49% OffTMG Trimethylglycine 750mg 120 caps,Source Naturals - 49% Off Source Naturals T
    Phil

  5. I can't remember the last time I got morning wood. I'm still not getting it, even with HRT. But I also have a loss of sensation during sex, making it impossible to orgasm. Frustrating as hell. But at least I can get an erection now, which I haven't been able to do for years. So more tweaking will be needed.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by SoMdHunter
    I can't remember the last time I got morning wood. I'm still not getting it, even with HRT. But I also have a loss of sensation during sex, making it impossible to orgasm. Frustrating as hell. But at least I can get an erection now, which I haven't been able to do for years. So more tweaking will be needed.
    The sensation will come back I had this problem. When I got my E2 down and could get it up for sex I could not orgasm would have to finish it off by hand. In 4 months keeping my E2 down it came back. Yet I have days it takes longer.
    Phil

  7. Quote Originally Posted by pmgamer18
    Well get it tested if your E2 is high and your SBGH is low take something to bring it down. I was talking to guy on TRT he has no testis and was feeling very hot and having flashing. His E2 was 48 he got some Indolplex/DIM took one tablet a day at dinner time after 4 days he woke with what he called the hardest wood he ever had and he is feeling much better. Don't mess with E2 unless you have a test showing it high you can bring it down to low and it's just as bad as to high.
    PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
    Also take some as per Dr. John TMG it helps wash out the good E's that get converted and bad ones from the liver.
    49% OffTMG Trimethylglycine 750mg 120 caps,Source Naturals - 49% Off Source Naturals T
    Phil
    Programmer what are signs that its too low?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973
    Programmer what are signs that its too low?
    The main problem when E2 is to low is one can't get it up even taking Vigira. Brain fog best to do a blood test.
    Phil

  9. Yes your right on that I was on a noise spray for 2 yrs. a double dose and it did this to me. I at the time had bad ED and could not orgasm. Took L-Histidine and nothing yet my testing this showed it low. Still when I got my Estradiol down my ED got much better and in time I was able to reach an orgasm. At times it still can take a long time so I tried L-H again nothing got better.
    L-Histidine Information
    Phil
    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
    The issue of delayed, sometimes to the point of being near impossible, orgasm in older males can be an issue of Histamine production and release.

    Possibilities to correct this are the amino acid L-Histidine as a precursor and/or Niacin as a release agent.

    I had this problem, no lack of vascular response, could'nt cum without excess effort, L-Histidine fixed me up.

    I don't have any allergies, I guess the use of either could aggrevate that if one did.

    I've also read that these two can help Women in this area as well.
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  10. Prgrmmer. Hypothetically speaking if your estrodial is in range and your estrone is elevated, could this cause same symptoms of estrogen dominace depsite your estrodial is optimal and could this excess of bad estrogen could also cause drop in free testosterone. From dr john to prevent this would calcium d glucurate or DIM be the best solution if estrodial is in optimal range. Over tjhe past 3 years estrogen levels have been in optimal range except free test was always low normal and keep pissing out this bad estrogen xylene which makes me wonder if i have a build of bad estrogen that is causing the excess build up of fats in the liver. And i keep finding that excessive estrogen links back to adrenal fatigue, thyroid and insuilin problems.

  11. interesting topic....

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
    The issue of delayed, sometimes to the point of being near impossible, orgasm in older males can be an issue of Histamine production and release.

    Possibilities to correct this are the amino acid L-Histidine as a precursor and/or Niacin as a release agent.

    I had this problem, no lack of vascular response, could'nt cum without excess effort, L-Histidine fixed me up.

    I don't have any allergies, I guess the use of either could aggrevate that if one did.

    I've also read that these two can help Women in this area as well.
    What was your L-Histidine regimen? Thanks.

  13. I once read that the body partially fills the penis with blood every half hour to a) maintain proper function and b) ensure the ability is present for times of procreation. Test levels are higher in the morning, and depending on what you dreamt about you might have been watching porn alll night.

  14. I have had my E2 just right and my Total E's very high this had no effect on my sex life I have found as long as I keep my E2 in check I don't have a problem. When my E2 was high I had sore and hard nipples, could not eat shrimp, go into my hot tub, had a bad rash in the same spots on my body that would not go away, I even had a rash between my toes that nothiing work to rid me of this. I had very bad ED and could not reach an orgasm, I looked Red on the upper part of my body and would sweat alot and could not stand the heat. I would wake up in the middle of the night in what we thought for yrs was a panic attack, had bad brain fog hell I could go on forever here. I had one Dr. after the other try to tell me what was wrong and nothing worked. I read this link some time ago by Lef.
    Male Hormone Modulation Therapy.. HGH replacement, Testosterone Replacement
    I had my E2 tested was dam high tried all kinds or crap to get this down because my Dr. was worried about trying Arimidex after 6 months of this crap I told my Dr. to give me Arimidex that I did not care what my BCBS said about I will pay for it my self if need be. I went on .5 mgs every otherday for 4 weeks and nothing so we did .5 mgs everyday and in less then 4 weeks I had some morning wood that hurt and woke me up. Has sex with my wife but could not reach an orgasm so we finished it by hand I was shocked I had an orgasm for the first time in 10 dam yrs. And all the problems I listed above were gone.
    Phil
    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973
    Prgrmmer. Hypothetically speaking if your estrodial is in range and your estrone is elevated, could this cause same symptoms of estrogen dominace depsite your estrodial is optimal and could this excess of bad estrogen could also cause drop in free testosterone. From dr john to prevent this would calcium d glucurate or DIM be the best solution if estrodial is in optimal range. Over tjhe past 3 years estrogen levels have been in optimal range except free test was always low normal and keep pissing out this bad estrogen xylene which makes me wonder if i have a build of bad estrogen that is causing the excess build up of fats in the liver. And i keep finding that excessive estrogen links back to adrenal fatigue, thyroid and insuilin problems.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by pmgamer18
    I have had my E2 just right and my Total E's very high this had no effect on my sex life I have found as long as I keep my E2 in check I don't have a problem. When my E2 was high I had sore and hard nipples, could not eat shrimp, go into my hot tub, had a bad rash in the same spots on my body that would not go away, I even had a rash between my toes that nothiing work to rid me of this. I had very bad ED and could not reach an orgasm, I looked Red on the upper part of my body and would sweat alot and could not stand the heat. I would wake up in the middle of the night in what we thought for yrs was a panic attack, had bad brain fog hell I could go on forever here. I had one Dr. after the other try to tell me what was wrong and nothing worked. I read this link some time ago by Lef.
    Male Hormone Modulation Therapy.. HGH replacement, Testosterone Replacement
    I had my E2 tested was dam high tried all kinds or crap to get this down because my Dr. was worried about trying Arimidex after 6 months of this crap I told my Dr. to give me Arimidex that I did not care what my BCBS said about I will pay for it my self if need be. I went on .5 mgs every otherday for 4 weeks and nothing so we did .5 mgs everyday and in less then 4 weeks I had some morning wood that hurt and woke me up. Has sex with my wife but could not reach an orgasm so we finished it by hand I was shocked I had an orgasm for the first time in 10 dam yrs. And all the problems I listed above were gone.
    Phil
    Ok i just started that testocreme 10% about 5-6 days and was doing good with morning reactions but just last past few days I feel so sore no motivation and joints are killing me amd just bloated (all signs of extrogen dominace) i was getting a rash as well under neath my pits, and also bad insomina and un usual panic attacks all of sudden as you describes. hmm intersting huh. I do not think it could be low estrogen i am not taking any estrogen blockers another 1 weeks will test again. Wish we had a estrogen blood meter LOL.
    taking 100 mgs of dim could not hurt could it considering i been pissing out bad estrogens (xylene)

  16. Sounds like your E2 is going up and TRT does this and if your older it's a bigger problem. I don't know what kind of DIM you have but I did a lot of brands and they were not good. I have only had good luck with this brand.
    PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
    Do not do 2 pills a day only one at dinner time and in 4 days ot 7 you will get some dam hard wood this means to me your in the Zone for your E2. Make dam sure you witch this because if the wood stops it for me means my E2 went to low.
    Also as per Dr. John take some TMG at bed time with this to help wash out the E's from your liver.
    49% OffTMG Trimethylglycine 750mg 120 caps,Source Naturals - 49% Off Source Naturals T
    Phil
    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973
    Ok i just started that testocreme 10% about 5-6 days and was doing good with morning reactions but just last past few days I feel so sore no motivation and joints are killing me amd just bloated (all signs of extrogen dominace) i was getting a rash as well under neath my pits, and also bad insomina and un usual panic attacks all of sudden as you describes. hmm intersting huh. I do not think it could be low estrogen i am not taking any estrogen blockers another 1 weeks will test again. Wish we had a estrogen blood meter LOL.
    taking 100 mgs of dim could not hurt could it considering i been pissing out bad estrogens (xylene)

  17. Quote Originally Posted by pmgamer18
    Sounds like your E2 is going up and TRT does this and if your older it's a bigger problem. I don't know what kind of DIM you have but I did a lot of brands and they were not good. I have only had good luck with this brand.
    PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
    Do not do 2 pills a day only one at dinner time and in 4 days ot 7 you will get some dam hard wood this means to me your in the Zone for your E2. Make dam sure you witch this because if the wood stops it for me means my E2 went to low.
    Also as per Dr. John take some TMG at bed time with this to help wash out the E's from your liver.
    49% OffTMG Trimethylglycine 750mg 120 caps,Source Naturals - 49% Off Source Naturals T
    Phil
    Yes very true.
    i take 500 mgs TMG but in the morning , but will swtich it accordingly to bed time. I know i its not low estrogen that for darn sure. I have calcium d glurcurate but i do think DIM would be better. I guess it just took some time for estrogen build up. I also apply the creme on the flnk under near the arm pit in a small area vs the large area i was applying on biceps and I read that can make a difference in slower delivery. Could the appliaction to the biceps in a large area cause a possible elevation in E2?

  18. I feel you would do much better putting it on your fore arms that is where I use to put the T creams when I was on them.
    Phil
    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973
    Yes very true.
    i take 500 mgs TMG but in the morning , but will swtich it accordingly to bed time. I know i its not low estrogen that for darn sure. I have calcium d glurcurate but i do think DIM would be better. I guess it just took some time for estrogen build up. I also apply the creme on the flnk under near the arm pit in a small area vs the large area i was applying on biceps and I read that can make a difference in slower delivery. Could the appliaction to the biceps in a large area cause a possible elevation in E2?

  19. Wont 4 arm cause rapid increase of testosterone with greater chance of e2 increases.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
    The issue of delayed, sometimes to the point of being near impossible, orgasm in older males can be an issue of Histamine production and release.

    Possibilities to correct this are the amino acid L-Histidine as a precursor and/or Niacin as a release agent.

    I had this problem, no lack of vascular response, could'nt cum without excess effort, L-Histidine fixed me up.

    I don't have any allergies, I guess the use of either could aggrevate that if one did.

    I've also read that these two can help Women in this area as well.
    I happen to have horrible allergies and am currently taking Flonase and Singular. You saying this could also be related to lack of sensation? I never would have related the 2!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by pmgamer18
    When my E2 was high I had sore and hard nipples,
    Quote Originally Posted by pmgamer18
    Has sex with my wife but could not reach an orgasm so we finished it by hand
    This describes me almost to a tee right now. A step up from the severe ED I have had, but still not fully there yet.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973
    Wont 4 arm cause rapid increase of testosterone with greater chance of e2 increases.
    Don't know this is what the lab that made told me to do.
    Phil

  23. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973
    Wont 4 arm cause rapid increase of testosterone with greater chance of e2 increases.
    My understanding is that on balance, when using either T cream or Androgel, cream can be spread over significantly smaller area than gel and results in lesser E2 problem.
    ---------------
    I am not 100% sure about it, however.
    We would have to compare experiences of same person using enough cream or gel to achieve the same T levels.
    ----------------
    At the moment, by what others experience, cream if preferable to gels from E2 POV.
    ----------------
    Hopefully soon I will change from Androgel to T cream and will report my experience.

  24. I just got the indoplextm Dim so i will start with one a day at dinner time. Its got to be estrogen because 2 days after i started 10% test creme i my memory was incredible, libido so good it wood hurt and now everything just crashed, sore deprssed, bloated IT SUCKS.

    Read DIM decreases estrogen with out affecting e2 to much, but that remains to be seen from users experience

    Dr john what is proper way to absorb T creme. Some say forearms others say under neath the ribs coke can size. I know the faster way would be through for arms thinest skin provided you did not have E2 problems is this correct thinking?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973
    I just got the indoplextm Dim so i will start with one a day at dinner time. Its got to be estrogen because 2 days after i started 10% test creme i my memory was incredible, libido so good it wood hurt and now everything just crashed, sore deprssed, bloated IT SUCKS.

    Read DIM decreases estrogen with out affecting e2 to much, but that remains to be seen from users experience

    Dr john what is proper way to absorb T creme. Some say forearms others say under neath the ribs coke can size. I know the faster way would be through for arms thinest skin provided you did not have E2 problems is this correct thinking?
    Estradiol test kit?
    post by 1cc
    11-19-2006, 11:45 PM
    "I use 25mg T cream and 100iu HCG every day."

    1cc is quite conservative, and his T levels are rather low (500's).
    He may be in to something, he feels good, good libido, the works.
    I am shooting for T in 1000's, it may be more than I really need.
    When it comes to T I have been sold on it helping not only ED but mostly helping in cognitive, cardiovascular, muscular and bone areas. But what is the correct level to get such benefits?
    -----------------
    What are your T levels?

  26. i will check in 2 weeks after starting the creme to get true base line reading. ED, brain fogg and all the other fun symptoms of excessive estrogen lowering free testosterone. Total test is nice but if you can kick up your free test then that is even better. If you got a test of 500 and your free test is out of high range its just as good as having a 1000 mg/dl with mid to low free total test.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973
    i will check in 2 weeks after starting the creme to get true base line reading. ED, brain fogg and all the other fun symptoms of excessive estrogen lowering free testosterone. Total test is nice but if you can kick up your free test then that is even better. If you got a test of 500 and your free test is out of high range its just as good as having a 1000 mg/dl with mid to low free total test.
    Eventually I will get to my adrenals and thyroid.
    I have Isocort on my desk.
    I am sometime tired 3-5 PM and 8-10PM, I probably can also call it brain fog because I am letargic at those times.
    I took few times couple of Isocorts, guess what, it worked as a strong coffe works for me in the morning.
    I may have some adrenal fatigue.
    --------------------------------
    Isocort is not that expensive, try it, it may clear your brain fog. Just do not take more than 4 pills at one time and no more than 8 in 24 hours. That may not be completely good advice, as there is such a thing as stress dose, short time high dose during stressfull event.
  

  
 

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