Adrenal fatigue?

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    Adrenal fatigue?


    Recovering from adrenal fatigue: How your body can overcome chronic stress and feel energized again
    In addition to noticing these symptoms in yourself, you can objectively check for adrenal fatigue by using the following three tests:

    1. Ragland's sign (blood pressure test) -- (Equipment required: Home blood pressure kit) Take your blood pressure while sitting down. Then, stand up and immediately take your blood pressure again. Your systolic (first) number should have raised 8 to 10 mm. If it dropped, you probably have adrenal fatigue.
    2. Pupil dilation exam -- (Equipment required: Flashlight and a mirror) Look into the mirror and shine the flashlight into the pupil of one eye. It should contract. If after 30 seconds, it stays the same or, even worse, dilates, you most likely have adrenal fatigue.
    3. Pain when pressing on adrenal glands (located over kidneys)
    sitting 129/75 93p
    standing 132/88 107p

    When I did the pupil test, my pupils quickly contracted but then started dialating backto normal size while the light was still in my eye. I dont think thats normal.

    AM cortisol 350 nmol/l (138-650) or 12.68 µg/dl

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    The only real way to know is to get a 24 hour urine cortisol test or a salvia test. Cortisol is probably the only hormone that can accurately be tested in salvia. Not to many drs measure free cortisol but that may give you a better indication of how much is bioavailable to your body. Problem with cortisol is that it can be high or low different times of the day. To play safe you may want to get an herb that is an adaptogen where it modulates cortisol levels (keeping them balanced either way). Siberian ginsing , rhodilia roscea, Phosphodyltal serosine. 500 mgs b-5, 1000 vitamin C 2-3 times a day would be a good start. When ever adrenals are imbalance thyroid will be altered evenutally. Most naturopathic drs like to see morning cortisol in the upper range if not over. >16. Few drs will give low dosages of cortisol 5 mgs BID to as a trial to see if you feel better. Next step I would do is go to a trained expert in adrenal fatigue NOt and ENDO, but an internal medicine specialist who are open minded. Do not try to diagnose this your self because it is a tricky situation and other factors may be underlying cause. (insulin/thyroid imbalance).

    Ok now I need brain twister for the experts.
    For the past 2 years my serum copper and ceruoplasm have been at the very low end of the spectrum 18 ng/dl (16-36), but my drs are not concerned; however I am because is it my understanding that if you have adrenal fatigue that it is the adrenals that trigger the liver to secrete ceruloplasm which excretes copper from the liver. And if my adrenals are not working properly that I could have a copper build up in the liver but have a functional deficiency in the body. I have been taking 5 mgs of copper per guidelines to raise copper levels and still it did not move. Since copper is bounded in the liver then this would displace other minerals such as zinc and iron since they compete with one another. Does this make any sense?
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    Quick question on adrenal fatigue.

    I have read everywhere, even ages ago, that adrenal fatigue is reversable, if you quit caffeine keep stress levels low, basicly stop your cortisol from spiking as much as possible, and after about 1-2 years your adrenals recover.

    So That diet would consist of low GI, no caffeine, ciggarettes or stimulants, high vitamin C and fish oil for 2 years straight.

    But if you are taking Isocort/hc isnt that supressing your adrenals therefore giving them a really good rest? hence if you were to cease Isocort/hc after a couple years or so, wouldnt your adrenals come back at normal levels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsHectic
    Quick question on adrenal fatigue.

    I have read everywhere, even ages ago, that adrenal fatigue is reversable, if you quit caffeine keep stress levels low, basicly stop your cortisol from spiking as much as possible, and after about 1-2 years your adrenals recover.

    So That diet would consist of low GI, no caffeine, ciggarettes or stimulants, high vitamin C and fish oil for 2 years straight.

    But if you are taking Isocort/hc isnt that supressing your adrenals therefore giving them a really good rest? hence if you were to cease Isocort/hc after a couple years or so, wouldnt your adrenals come back at normal levels?
    That's assuming the suppression of the adrenals is only temporary. Jeffries MD from "Safe Uses of Cortisol" seems to feel that small physiological doses of hc like u mention does not cause permanent suppression even if used for several years, but I am highly skeptical.

    I bet you can find tons of endos who feel that small physiologic doses of testosterone will not cause permanent suppresion to the HPTA. And Im sure you can find quite a few BB's who after using supraphysiological doses such as AAS, can restart their axis naturally just giving the body some time. But do that long enough, often enough, or just be unlucky enough after one trial of AAS without PCT, and it's joining the hypogonadism club for life.

    I really hope Jeffries MD is right about small doses of hc. Bcuz short of creating laboratory conditions of a stress-free environment (which is atm pretty impossible), I don't see how else to properly treat adrenal fatigue to return the adrenal axis to normalcy.


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    I feel Dr. Jefferies is on the money here to many Dr. treating Adrenal Fatiuge with HC. Most use it as when all eles fails. He says to do 5mgs 4 times a day I am in the process of switching to HC from Isocort. My Cortisol levels are very low first thing in the moring so I do 10mgs in the morning and 5mgs at noon and dinner. I have been charting my temps for the last 8 months and for he first time my temps avg. is a straght line at 98.7 for the last 6 days I have been doing just the 10mgs of HC in the morning and still on the 2 pills of Isocort = 5mgs of cortisol at noon and dinner. I am switching over slow. Even my morning temp before getting out of bed is up from 96 to 97.6. I do feel if your a type A and been stressed for a long time your Adrenals will not come back. I have talked to a lot of people on the boards that have got better and are off HC.
    Temperature Patterns of low adrenal and thyroid function
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