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I'm 34, and have been meaning to have a enlightening discussion with you regarding natural T and GH. I don't know whether you'd want to do this publicly, or if you'd rather prefer private exchange. I also do not know if you'd do this for free or for a fee.

Let me know.

Once you let me know, I'll provide you with my addy.

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I closed it awaiting your reply.

I'll move this over to the Mens Anti-Aging Medicine forum and open it back up.
 

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My queries have to do with keeping T levels up as the years go by, without resorting to pharmaceuticals.

As far as I can see from various studies Tribulus is out of the equation.

Tongkat Ali might be helpful, but this is subject to further scrutiny.

ZMA appears to be the most useful here, although one would have to be deficient in Zc to begin with.

Then, there's the flax seed oil and those of the same kind that increase HDL cholesterol.

As as other herbs I can think of stinging nettle.

6-OXO and what else can help here ?

I'd like to get my hands a the list of OTC most helpful in this regard.

Horny goat weed ? I heard it could help keep up T by lowering Cortisol.

Then there's Maca, which helps libido wise, but it doesn't increase androgens as studies showed.

I'd like you to comment on this subject Bobo, if you will.

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I want to make it clear that I'm not familiar with the users of this forums except for Bobo.

I've searched the forums today and found Dr. D seems to know a lot and be the authority so to speak on OTC's.

I wish I could PM him or Bobo, but I'm not allowed to use that feature.
 
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I want to make it clear that I'm not familiar with the users of this forums except for Bobo.

I've searched the forums today and found Dr. D seems to know a lot and be the authority so to speak on OTC's.

I wish I could PM him or Bobo, but I'm not allowed to use that feature.

I believe if you become a board sponsor (make a reasonable donation), then you can have PM feature access and be able to message Bobo and other premium members.
 
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Hey Chip,

Dr. Crisler (aka: DR. John) is our resident D.O. He has a legitimate Men's Anti-Aging Medicine practice and is a member of our community. My guess is he may be at the Tigers' game or at least watching it. Be patient, he's in and out like most all of us.

Yes, Dr. D is very knowledgeable as well in many areas. Feel free to bump one of his threads. He as well, is in and out.

We do also have the member donation option that entitles you to more user options such as PM's.

I know of you from M&M and am a long time member there. It is good to see you join our community. Surely you will get some more feedback is time.
 

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How about you B5150, I'd like to hear what you have to say about my query, if it's ok :)
 
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Quite candidly I am far from well versed in this area. But being that I am on TRT I have considered investigating some things as an alternative. If I was to use OTC products I would likely start with the Anti-E's/AI's like 6-OXO, ATD, Rebound Reloaded, Rebound XT, etc. I of course would want to run trial and get correlated bloodwork to support any anecdotal respones that I believed I was getting.
 
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Some points of concern for me in using those is that they may elevate Total Testosterone via estrogen suppression but I am unsure if this will correlate an elevated Free Testosterone.
 
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Personally, I'd pass...

In modern times some of the traditional uses of fenugreek have fallen by the wayside, but one area in which it is more popular than ever is that of natural breast enhancement. The benefits of fenugreek to breastfeeding women have already been mentioned, but the benefits to the breast are much greater than this as fenugreek is rich in flavonoids, a class of phytoestrogens (including vitexin and its glycosides and esters, isovitexin, orientin, vicenins 1 and 2, quercetin and luteolin), which have a healthy hormonal balancing action in the female body and help to promote the process of mammogenesis, the development of the breast. Take a look at any herbal formulation designed for breast enhancement, from any part of the world, and you are likely to notice that it contains fenugreek as a major ingredient
Fenugreek

Capsules of fenugreek seed are sometimes recommended as a galactogogue, or agent to increase milk production in the lactating mother. This use of the herb should be undertaken cautiously, since the evidence of safety for the nursing infant is only anecdotal. Some commercial teas promoted for the purpose of increasing lactation use fenugreek as an ingredient, but herbal concentration in teas can vary widely and are generally somewhat low.
Fenugreek: Encyclopedia of Alternative Medicine

Fenugreek (Trigonella foenum-graecum)
Fenugreek is the most commonly recommended herbal galactogogue. It is a member of the pea family listed as GRAS (generally regarded as safe) by the US Food and Drug Administration. It is available over-the-counter in capsules or tea as an herbal remedy. Talk to your health care provider regarding dosage to increase milk supply. Reported side effects are rare and include maple syrup odor to sweat, milk and urine; diarrhea; and increased asthmatic symptoms. Fenugreek is also known to affect blood glucose. Diabetic mothers should talk to their physician before using fenugreek.
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Galactogogues: medications that induce lactation.

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Drug Information and Medication Use Outcomes Section, University of Illinois at Chicago, USA.

Galactogogues are medications that aid in initiating and maintaining adequate milk production. Most exert their pharmacologic effects through interactions with dopamine receptors, resulting in increased prolactin levels and thereby augmenting milk supply. Metoclopramide remains the galactogogue of choice due to its documented record of efficacy and safety in women and infants. Domperidone crosses the blood brain barrier and into the breast milk to a lesser extent than metoclopramide, decreasing the risk of toxicity to both mother and infant possibly making it an attractive alternative. Traditional antipsychotics, sulpiride and chlorpromazine, have been evaluated, but adverse events limit their use. Human growth hormone, thyrotrophin-releasing hormone, and oxytocin have also been studied. Finally, a natural product, fenugreek, has been purported to be effective in anecdotal reports. Use of this agent may be warranted after considering risks versus benefits.

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Fenugreek seed is widely used as a galactagogue (milk producing agent) by nursing mothers to increase inadequate breast milk supply. It has also been used to increase breast size. It can be found in capsule form in many health food stores.
Recently fenugreek has found its way into some bodybuilding supplements as it is suggested it may help stimulate testosterone production, although there is little evidence for this.

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Fenugreek has been recognized as a medicinal plant for centuries. The Egyptians, Greeks and Romans used the aromatic seeds extensively. It was a stable included in the diet of Harem woman to increase the size and roundness of their breasts, and is currently being promoted in several herbal ‘bust enhancing’ products. 16 Studies support the practice of modern midwives, as they continue the ancient tradition of recommending fenugreek to improve the milk supply of nursing mothers. 17 ,18 Traditional Chinese herbalists used fenugreek for male reproductive issues and kidney problems. 19 It is interesting to note that in Chinese medicine the kidneys are considered to be the area where sexual energy is stored. Fenugreek lowers blood sugar, 20 ,21 probably by increasing tissue insulin sensitivity. 22 The rich combination of nutrients in Fenugreek include the steroidal saponin diosgenin, 23 choline , trimethylamine (a sex hormone in frogs), Vitamins A, B 2, B 6, B 12, D, and essential oils. Diosgenin is an important precursor for the synthesis of a number of sex hormones, and also exhibits estrogenic effects.24

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Fenugreek for Health

Breast Enlargement

The seeds and sprouts have a centuries-old folk reputation as breast enlargers. In fact, 100 years ago the herb was a key ingredient in the original formula for Lydia Pinkham's Vegetable Compound, a popular remedy for "female troubles"--everything from menstrual pain to postmenopausal vaginal dryness. Fenugreek seeds contain a fair amount of diosgenin, a chemical compound that's often used to create semisynthetic forms of the female sex hormone estrogen. While estrogen has many effects on the body, two relate principally to breast enlargement. The hormone causes growth of breast cells and contributes to water retention. In fact, many women who take the Pill, which contains estrogen, for birth control often experience as a side effect the feeling of breast fullness caused by water retention. Plant estrogen (phytoestrogen) from sources like fenugreek does not lead to uncomfortable breast fullness. Great for breast feeding. Inceases milk.
 

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B5150--thanks, this link is interesting to say the least.

All indicates that this forum is yet another great place on the web.

thanks again
 

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I could make another post addressed to Dr. D since I found him to be well read on the subject of OTC. However this wouldn't look good and would unnecessarily load the men's health forum.

I could also opt to pay to upgrade to Gold membership however that's where I have a problem--not that I think $39 is expensive, on the contrary I find this decently priced, but the thing is I'm already a registered member of the LEF, Supplement Watch, and Consumer lab, and Will Brink's private forum--that's why I'll pass on the Gold membership--too bad I didn't find that forum earlier.

B5150 : Would you be so kind as let Dr. D know I'd like to ask him a few questions ? I'd be grateful to you for doing so, but I'd understand if you turned me down--I'm quite an understanding type of guy.

The reason I seem to be hurried about this is, at age 30 I was supposed to turn my life around, then my father got diagnosed with cancer, and died, which caused me to abandon weight lifting for reasons you can easily imagine. I'd already been having some health issues myself 7-years. I even met with Dr. Eric Braverman in NYC last October....cost me a LOT of money. I'm 34 and going to turn 35 next March, so for personal reasons, I'd like to get started on getting my life back this winter. Briefly summed up that's what it looks like, but of course the whole account would take a lot more time and space, but i figured it's best to keep it simple.

Thank you
 
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I will allow time for Dr. John to either address your thread, and questions, either in this forum, or move it to another forum. He oversees this forum along with the AM staff, so he is likely to see it. We can move it to an appropriate forum at his discretion afterwards.
 

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Hello, CD.

First, let me ask why you seek OTC supplementtion. Is it your opinion they are somehow safer, or more effective, than highly-controlled medications?

**Safer, maybe yes maybe not, but probably not. More effective, definately not, although everyone's biochimically different, and thus substance X may help subject A more than subject B, but overall, pharmaceuticals are more effective, and provide more consistent outcome on a larger scale of patients. **

The supplements that claim to elevate T levels all, to my knowledge, work through blocking estrogen at the hypothalamus and pituitary.

**from my reading this has been my observation as well.**

Of course, they will then not work if you suffer hypogonadism from primary testicular failure.

**I have a whole number of blood work which were conducted since last October (2005) the first of which was performed at Pathmedical. I can tell you both my LH and FSH are in the low range--this is not mistaken indicates this is not primary hypogonadism, but then I'm no doctor so I could be missing on some important information that would prove me wrong. Last time I checked my TT was at 406 ng/dl. At age 34 I should be at least midrange or upper. **

I know Dr. Braverman (introduced him on stage at the A4M International Congress in Chicago a couple of months ago), and he is indeed quite expensive (I wonder if more people would actually come to me if I RAISED my prices?). However, his real expertise lies in the areas of brain chemistry and anti-inflammation.

I'm in Canada, so to meet with Dr. Braverman, I had to shell out $5000 cad, which is a lot of money, and as we're speaking, I have a new home put up--this means I can no longer afford such expensive medical consults. I had much faith in Dr. Braverman, and was disapointed. And why is this so you might ask ? He diagnosed me with Dysthymia and ADHD. My TT from the blood work done at Pathmedical came out very low at 184 ng/dl (I'm only mentioning my TT for the sake of your time, but I could provide the whole array of test results should you wished to). When I flew back to my Canadian location, Dr. Braverman followed me up through phone consults, and ordered androgens to be tested 2 weeks after I returned from NYC. Test results revealed T had gone up to 406 ng/dl. I have even seen an endocrinologist last May, whom didn't find anything wrong with me. When I met with Dr. Braverman I made clear to him that my primary concern regarded low to non-existent sex drive. I put an end to those phone consults as i could never speak to him more than 5 minutes out of the 30 minutes consult, and he would most of the time not listen to me, leaving me frustrated to some extent.

Seeing that my T is on the low side, I've since then wondered whether Dysthymia is causing the low T OR Dysthymia is rooted in low T ? Again, I'm no doctor, but from my readings low T would seem to be the likely culprit.

Also locally, I've seen my PCP and colleagues of him, which didn't seem to find anything wrong with me, other than a morbidly anxious individual.

I can also tell you that during the summer of 2005. I tried Deprenyl in an attempt to normalize the sex drive--while I was on it I felt fine, more cheerful, calmer, and cognitively sharper, but libido wise, not only did it do NADA, but it killed whatever sex drive was there at the time. After 3 weeks at 2.5 mg twice a week and then 5 mg twice a week for the last weeks, I decided to stop it, but made the mistake to stop it cold turkey, which caused me to experience 5 severe panic attack in the subsequent months. I no longer have any panic attacks, nor have I ever experienced anything that even came close to those in the past. The previous winter my father died from Multiple Myeloma, so his death, but my anxious nature sure didn't help the process. The first panic attack took place the very next day I stopped DPR, and had had a slice of chocolate cake 10 minutes earlier...............since chocolate constains Methylxanthines, I was told that it's no surprise that I ended up in a panic attack--and since anxiety begets anxiety, I had more of the same in the following months.

I can also tell you that : zinc, colostrum, theanine, st-John's wort, tribulus, dandelion root, grape seed extracts all rev up my sex drive. The minerals with a very noticeable effect is Selenium--this difference is none other than striking. I know Se is indirectly involved in testosterone synthesis.

Further I was told by a retired in endocrinology that my reaction to DPR might indicate that I have a hidden heart issue--that was his take on this. Another Dr. namely Kevin Pezzi, told me it's no wonder I ended up having a panic attack under the circumstances back then.

I also wish to indicate that I have sinus node arrhythmias--I had them checked through wearing a Holter monitor for a 48 hour period. I also had an ECG which (at Pathmedical) which revealed trace tricuspic regurgitation, which appear to be a comon occurance in 80% of the population.


I can of course provide you with more details should you so required.

I wish I had known about you back then--I wouldn't have met with Dr. Braverman.

Thank you
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I also have to go back to University--in my life it's always been this way: the all or nothing principle, where there's no action or all action takes place all at once.
 
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I have to tell I have big concern about actually answering your question and not just telling you to find a good doctor. You are absolutely not a good candidate for self medicating for low testosterone. I am going to respond based on the fact I consider your heart problems and low testosterone to be a deadly combination. I know money is an issue. My actual recommendation is to find a good doctor now!

Your only possibility of fully successful self treatment is if the low testosterone is caused by plant estrogens from soy products (including tofu), tea tree oil, lavender (including soaps), etc. If so, then stop and get retested. You did not state estrogen levels and important also.

You are definitely showing signs of stress related excess Cortisol and you should do a search Cortisol reducers. High cortisol does reduce testosterone output.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/50167-best-cortisol-blocker.html?highlight=Cortisol

Among the Testosterone boosters that don’t cost money is 20 minutes twice a week of sunshine on the lower back. Good for about 15%. Aerobic exercise. Weight lifting when workouts are kept under 45minutes in duration. All these are also good for reducing cortisol.

With my friends that are showing signs of decreased hormone output. I start them on PGH-T. PGH-T is HGH booster, which worries me with you because your family history of cancer, but apparently Multiple Myeloma is not hereditary . If that is enough to so they stat waking up with wood at least on most morning then I stop. If not, then I try one Rebound Reloaded a day also. If that doesn’t do it then I think is see the doctor time. I do know a very good doctor in town and have sent a couple of people to him. That is good for around 60% boost in testosterone. The maximum you probably expect with estrogen reducers is about 100% boost. Even 100% is probably not enough for you. The problem is you can push estrogen too low and start having health/libido issues. Low estrogen pushes down white blood cell count and HDL levels.

Again, my recommendation is to find a good doctor.
 

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I have to tell I have big concern about actually answering your question and not just telling you to find a good doctor. You are absolutely not a good candidate for self medicating for low testosterone. I am going to respond based on the fact I consider your heart problems and low testosterone to be a deadly combination. I know money is an issue. My actual recommendation is to find a good doctor now!

Your only possibility of fully successful self treatment is if the low testosterone is caused by plant estrogens from soy products (including tofu), tea tree oil, lavender (including soaps), etc. If so, then stop and get retested. You did not state estrogen levels and important also.

You are definitely showing signs of stress related excess Cortisol and you should do a search Cortisol reducers. High cortisol does reduce testosterone output.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/50167-best-cortisol-blocker.html?highlight=Cortisol

Among the Testosterone boosters that don’t cost money is 20 minutes twice a week of sunshine on the lower back. Good for about 15%. Aerobic exercise. Weight lifting when workouts are kept under 45minutes in duration. All these are also good for reducing cortisol.

With my friends that are showing signs of decreased hormone output. I start them on PGH-T. PGH-T is HGH booster, which worries me with you because your family history of cancer, but apparently Multiple Myeloma is not hereditary . If that is enough to so they stat waking up with wood at least on most morning then I stop. If not, then I try one Rebound Reloaded a day also. If that doesn’t do it then I think is see the doctor time. I do know a very good doctor in town and have sent a couple of people to him. That is good for around 60% boost in testosterone. The maximum you probably expect with estrogen reducers is about 100% boost. Even 100% is probably not enough for you. The problem is you can push estrogen too low and start having health/libido issues. Low estrogen pushes down white blood cell count and HDL levels.

Again, my recommendation is to find a good doctor.


On the heart issue : have sinus node arrhythmias been linked to low testosterone ? Dr. Kevin Pezzi told me he expects studies to soon find correlation between the two, but so far he said he was not aware of any clear link.

I know you definately wish to help me out by advising me to go and see a good doctor, but keep in mind I'm very prone to anxiety, and your mentioning of a potentially deadly combination is not helping my anxiety. But then, I know you didn't write this to cause any harm. A good Dr. um well Dr. Braverman was supposed to be a very good doctor, ultimately wanted me on Paxil (10 mg in the morning) 0.5 mg Klonopin at bedtime, then prescribed DHEA, but my DHEA levels were already naturally high to begin with, so no need to supplement something already high. Then he wanted me on rHGH--however there's no even ONE doctor where I live willing to put me on rHGH, and even in the U.S. I hear it's hard to find one too.

Although I have arrhythmias, I was told by 4 doctors that sinus node arrhytmias, which also seem to be known as extrasystole, is of no concern, and a rather normal occurance. I was also told that anxiety can be a trigger for those, and the more anxious one is, the more severe they *appear*, but this is highly subjective it seems, depending on one's anxiety level, because anxiety lower one's sensitivity threshold, and may make it feel like common palpitations feel like severe ones, although this is subjective. All doctors have told me the same on this matter.

What I know is my TT is *normal* but not optimal for my age group, and for reason you already know, I want it up.

Ok, now in order to provide more information, allow me to post all blood work starting from October 10 and 11, 2005 until last July. ONLY the first comprehensive blood work was performed at Pathmedical--the rest was done locally.

I've just tried to copy/paste them, but they just won't display properly. I'll try to post them through seperate postings, and may only end up posting the last ones, excluding the one from Pathmedical.

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What I wanted to add as to why I'd prefer to avoid Testosterone gels/patches, or injections, is because once on them, isn't this going to further downregulate natural T production ? UNLESS i have no other options, I'd like to avoid TRT, as I don't want to be dependent on it for life. If my T is low, there's a reason for that, and if possible, I'd like to find it out--of course it may not be possible.

But regardless of my comments, I SURE need help as regards this.

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Low testosterone means your heart doesn't repair as well as it should. Your heart is your hardest working muscle and doesn't get off time to recover. If your heart is already having to work harder than normal, this becomes a bad combination. I have an older friend whos doctor has told him the primary reason for his heart attack was years of very low testosterone. Low testosterone can also result in low estrogen which reduces HDL levels which means you be having more blood vessel clogging. HDL levels are easily tested for.

I am sorry for scary you, but I do believe that you absolutely should not try just live with your current testosterone levels. Your health is at risk.
 

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I recall overhearing Dr. Braverman telling his medical assistant (while I was having a phone consult) that he cannot get me on TRT because I'll end up with prostate cancer.

Come to think of it, I have an almost bald spot on my head--I have MPB.
 

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Low testosterone means your heart doesn't repair as well as it should. Your heart is your hardest working muscle and doesn't get off time to recover. If your heart is already having to work harder than normal, this becomes a bad combination. I have an older friend whos doctor has told him the primary reason for his heart attack was years of very low testosterone. Low testosterone can also result in low estrogen which reduces HDL levels which means you be having more blood vessel clogging. HDL levels are easily tested for.

I am sorry for scary you, but I do believe that you absolutely should not try just live with your current testosterone levels. Your health is at risk.

I strongly agree with you Werewolf. For more in depth info, have a look at the link I have posted--it's a long read though.

Thanks for caring and helping--don't get me wrong, I sure appreciate it, and definately want to straight up this low T situation.
 
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Your IGF-1 levels are low in your blood tests. That indicates that HGH levels have backed off more like someone my age (or older) than yours. The PGH-T may benefit you more than I would have first suspected.

We tend see problems with libido when estradiol levels drop below 19. At 21.4, you need to be very careful with estrogen blockers. Some of the low limits shown on this blood test are basically stupid.

Your HDL levels are only slightly low so only of slight concern. Same for white blood cell count.

To me it looks like your HGH levels are more like that of a 50 year old, probably worth trying the PGH-T and getting tested again.

Wow, that is complete set of blood test except for HGH, but the IGF-1 levels give an indication.
 

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Thanks very much again Werewolf--It benefits me morally to bump into nice folks. Yes clearly IGF-1 levels are low. I'm not saying I'm ordering PGH-T but I wonder whether it ships to Canada, without being confiscated at our beloved (hum hum !) Canadian Customs ?
 

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I have to be honest and tell you that my lifestyle used to be very poor for years on end--I'd eat before going to bed, and worst of all, carbs ! And would go to bed late at night every night--this kind of lifestyle definately is counterproductive GH wise--carbs means insulin output, and GH shut down. I have changed my lifestyle around for the better for months, and am still optimizing it, meaning relaxation technique (INSIGHT CD--binaural beats, at bedtime), fixed the diet and still am working on this as we're speaking, as diet is first and foremost, and then will resume weight lifting as soon as my new home is ready for me to move in.

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Does the low IFG-1 provides an likely explanation for the low T ? I seem to recall that IGF-1 can influence androgens.
 

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I keep an eye on my BP every other week, and it's consistently from 113-116/64-66 at roughly 68 bpm.

My PCP whom I met last week, told me I've become overvigilant health wise--he said that while it's good to be vigilant (and he commends me for it) too much is just like not enough, and this is now ruining my life.

I strongly agree with his statement, however that doesn't help increase my T, unless there exist studies linking morbid anxiety to low T.

Cortisol wise, my test don't seem to indicate I have high Cort.
 

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further, I ran zinc supplemental zinc at 30 mg/every other day back then, and much to my surprise, it caused my aggressivity levels to go up, but it felt rejuvenating, was something I hadn't felt in such a LONG time.


Masturbation wise, although I'm not aware of any physiological ill-effect, can there be any detrimental consequence in the case of someone who ejaculates every single day twice a day, and that for 18 years straight ?

I think this could cause PRL to remain higher than it should be, but I'm unaware how high PRL could go up from such practice, but you guessed it, this is my case I'm talking about here.

Now, you may think this is paradoxal to some extent as I'm complaining of low sex drive and still masturbate everyday. Although I've kept up that practive (as in the days where things were normal) I've done so to both relieve stress, and to prove myself something in the process--we're among males here, so I don't think further explanation is needed for you to understand what it is I'm trying to get across.

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I almost forgot to point out that 10 years ago I had a dormant Mononucleosis, in that my liver enzymes weren't elevated at the time of diagnosis. I presented to the clinic with what I self-assessed as being spleen pain, and right was I--I then was sent for blood test, and the doctor called me that very day at dinner, to let me know I had a mono.

Incidentally my health issues (mainly low libido as this is the primary one) started 9 years ago--a researcher I've know in endocrinology told me it could explain most of my issues. He was also concerned over the elevated Bilirubin and Total Protein, as shown in my blood work from Pathmedical on October 10 and 11, 2005. and occasional elevation in ALT.
 

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He mentioned a connection between Epstein-Barr Virus and Mycoplasma infections, and told me to keep an eye out for those, as they're currently thesubject of many research involving cancers and other human disease processes.
 

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Dr. John, feel free to make any suggestion--a diagnosis is not legally nor medically possible over the web, but perhaps you can make some general suggestions.

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Raising HGH levels will also raise Testosterone levels.

Optimum testosterone levels are achieved at 7 day sexual release cycle. This will normally provide a 25 to 30% boost in testosterone output.
 

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Werewolf : what do you mean by : sexual release cycle ?

Should I expect Dr. John to further comment ? I don't know him much, that's why I'm asking. I'm thinking, there may not be much to be said, aside perhaps from seeing a doctor versed in male TRT.

I admit that I'm lost at this point, as I don't know whether or not im going to be wasting my time trying to go the natural way.

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Werewolf : I know posting my email addy on this forum is probably not a good move of mine, but I'll take this risk, just cause I'd like you to email me--I think I can have an interesting discussion with you, information wise.

I'd be more than glad should Dr. John posted a few suggestions--ultimately the best recommendation would like you suggested to see a good doctor though.

Anyway I'd be highly appreciative should you emailed me at : EDIT: Nope.

Hopefully im not transgressing any forum rules by doing this.

Thankfully
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Werewolf : what do you mean by : sexual release cycle ?

Should I expect Dr. John to further comment ? I don't know him much, that's why I'm asking. I'm thinking, there may not be much to be said, aside perhaps from seeing a doctor versed in male TRT.

I admit that I'm lost at this point, as I don't know whether or not im going to be wasting my time trying to go the natural way.

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sexual release cycle = sex or masturbation. The body produces the most Testosterone on 6 days of none between.

Sorry, I will not be emailing you directly. A lot of the questions you are asking the good doctor can not respond to. You really need to only expect answers that have to do HRT or TRT through a doctor.

As far as I know PGH-T is 100% legal in Canada, but if you post that question in thread on PGH-T that I posted above someone will confirm that for you. If you start taking PGH-T and go a 7 day cycle you probably could get estrogen up where you can take 1 Rebound Reloaded a day and still keep your estradiol above 19.

This might get your testosterone close to 400, but you really need to get tested for testosterone and estradiol levels.
 

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Thanks Werewolf.

BTW my Total Testosterone was already 406 ng/dl.

my T was 14.1 nmol/L and I used to conversion factor 0. 0347

thus, 14.1 divided by 0.0347 = 406 ng/dl that was last November after I came back from Pathmedical. While at Pathmedical what you saw was that my TT was low at : 184 ng/dl, but I was stressed out while at Pathmedical--once the stress over my TT went up some to 406 ng/dl.

Is 406 that bad ? Of course at age 34 it should be double that amount.

My last bioavailable T was (this last July) : 7.0 out of a ref. range of : 2.0 to 14.0

Pretty much midrange, which doesn't seem so bad, but then I'm no doctor.


Universal Kit is an UK company right ?


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Thanks Werewolf.

BTW my Total Testosterone was already 406 ng/dl.

my T was 14.1 nmol/L and I used to conversion factor 0. 0347

thus, 14.1 divided by 0.0347 = 406 ng/dl that was last November after I came back from Pathmedical. While at Pathmedical what you saw was that my TT was low at : 184 ng/dl, but I was stressed out while at Pathmedical--once the stress over my TT went up some to 406 ng/dl.

Is 406 that bad ? Of course at age 34 it should be double that amount.

My last bioavailable T was (this last July) : 7.0 out of a ref. range of : 2.0 to 14.0

Pretty much midrange, which doesn't seem so bad, but then I'm no doctor.


Universal Kit is an UK company right ?


Thanks
406 is not that bad, but what was estradiol reading. I assume it went up too.

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Good question about the E2, cause locally my PCP didn't check for E2, he only checked : FT and TT.

Oh Universal Kit's Floridian, that's great news to tell the truth.

I'm in a real hurry right now, but keep an eye on this thread, as I'll post more on this subject later on today when I'm back.

I sure appreciate your input--rest assure Werewolf, that I'm not requiring you to provide me with a diagnosis in any way--just a few information.

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Do you know of a reverse relationship to depression and low T, in that depression itself lowers T ?

I know of the relationship of depression originating from low T, but not the reverse.

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I have been on T plus HCG for a while now & it defiantly help’s with my OCD/anxiety plus depression, although I have had some difficulties lately & have retained some water & pee a lot. If I had to choose, I would choose TRT over OTC solutions any day.
 

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Some pregnenoone cream might do wonders for your anxiety/OCD Sx.
I thought taking DHEA & Pregnenolone is a bad idea & what about it's catabolic & feminine tendencies.

I also thought the water & anxiety was E2 related, is it not?
 

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