Test therepy and blood thinners
10-10-2006 06:56 PM
Test therepy and blood thinners
After reading the "sticky" "Male Hormone Modulation Therepy"I see where it mentions polycythemia as not being a problem if the amount stays in the 20-29yr old male levels. It also "shines as a blood thinner, preventing blood clots". I talked to my doc about HRT and my problem with blood clots(I'm on warfarin for life). He said he wasn't worried about clots, but about my heart. I did have a coronary cath done last year and my heart was fine-"normal blockage for my age". Anyhow, when I reminded my doc about that he said fine-go get the blood work done and if my test is low he would put me on HRT. I never went and had the blood work done yet. I used to do pro-hormones and they worked great for me, but after my clots(and a pul. embolism) I stopped all these type of things. I probably would go thru him as far as HRT, but I'm curious about the herbs and supps for someone like me-56yrs old with VAT. Also, would 6-oxo without any test therepy get the estrodial down so the ratios are better. Any problems with 6-oxo in my situation. Thanks. Jon
Last edited by Jon DeVaul; 10-10-2006 at 06:59 PM.
Reason: spelling correction
10-10-2006 07:15 PM
It is so very good to see you.
For those who don't know Jon, he is "A Board's Wise Old Man" long before I was this board's "Wise Old Man". I like him a lot and we go back. Some of you will likely feel the same after you get to know him some.
I know that Dr. John will come across this thread. He is in and out and is our resident true Men's Anti-Aging expert. I'll be sure to let him know of this thread.
Stick around Jon. It is nice to have you here.
10-10-2006 08:14 PM
Good to see you again, even if you brought that damn Yankees logo with you!
10-10-2006 08:17 PM
You know these stripes run thru, true and blue.
10-10-2006 08:27 PM
10-11-2006 10:19 AM
Hi Jon I feel some testing is in order first if your Estradiol is high and you not taking Testosterone it can make you T levels lower. But you don't want to mess with this with out some testing. Read the sticky TRT: A Recipe for Success and in this are tests and why.
Originally Posted by Jon DeVaul
6-OXO I here is a suicide inhibitor not good for lowering Estradiol it can take you down to low and it would take a dam long time for you to come back up.
Here are some links for you to read.
Effects of Aromatase Inhibition in Elderly Men with Low or Borderline-Low Serum Testosterone Levels -- Leder et al. 89 (3): 1174 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism
10-11-2006 10:39 AM
I really think you should go the way of the tests and HRT with your Dr.
I had an angiolplasty/stent placement last Dec, am on cholesterol meds and Plavix (not sure for how long..maybe a year maybe longer).
My energy crashed about 4 moths after and I went thru a s*** load of tests but am finally on Androderm 2.5mg patch (started 4 weeks ago).
My next set of cardio blood work is coming up and it will be interesting to see what effect if any the TRT has had. My TRT dr. isn't doing a followup til 2 months so I will have 2 sets of similar blood work ups a month apart.
I am planning on pushing for a reduction in my cardio meds and an increase in my TRT if the lab results are in any way leaning towards better cholesterol and continuing low T levels.
I am 58 so we are close in age and in some medical
Start with the labs then with your Dr.
If there is no response then do a second consultation before starting your own regimine or at the very least run your plan by your Dr.
Then you may have to move on your own but you will have a little more info to plan around.
10-11-2006 11:39 AM
Thanks, pmgamer18 and glg. I agree about doing everything with my doc's approval. He's a wt. trainer/mountain climber, so he's really into optimum performance and living as opposed to only surviving. Like I said, he's open to HRT for me if the numbers warrent it. I just want to go in with as much info on the health aspects of HRT. If I went in with the atitude that I just want to look better at the beach next summer I don't think he would be receptive:bb: (not)
10-15-2006 09:16 AM
Jon is an Indians fan. He always gets my sympathy.
Originally Posted by Dr. John
10-15-2006 02:32 PM
The Indians Fan's Mantra-"WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR"
Originally Posted by B5150
That's why I'm posting here-I'm running out of years! Most people want to take HRT for either/or health or appearance(usually both). I just want to hang around long enough to see the Indians win the World Series:hot:
10-15-2006 10:24 PM
Dr. John, thanks, for the reply-I do take low dose asprin every day. I have a question. The reason I'm on warfarin is because I had a DVT which went to my lungs and gave me a pulmonary embolism. With the studies that show the blood clotting benefits from HRT they mainly imply arterial clots(heart). I know there seems to be numerous benefits to HRT, but I was just wondering if the blood clotting benefits mentioned are different from what I have. I'm on warfarin for life, but that's due to some f..ked up gene I have(lucky me).
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