Subcutaneous Testosterone Injections Study

BMW · 03-05-2007, 01:59 AM

why isnt anyone doing this with test suspension like i mentioned it would be way more suited being thats its water based.

**CRUNCH** · 03-05-2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BMW

why isnt anyone doing this with test suspension like i mentioned it would be way more suited being thats its water based.

Because I don't have any suspension. I do have sust, and many of the studies were using oil based so a few of us wanted to see how it would work.

It's the next day after my shots. Aside from the area feeling like a small bruise, nothing else bad. No redness or swelling. So far, so good for me.

**Zero Tolerance** · 03-05-2007, 10:48 AM

I think I'll try a couple of .25ml shots in my stomach today and see how that goes.. The first .50ml shot is doing fine...

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**Zero Tolerance** · 03-05-2007, 02:08 PM

Crunch and anyone else interested, I'm continuing this discussion in the "Steroids" forum, where I believe this discussion would be better suited...

**CRUNCH** · 03-05-2007, 02:40 PM

Sounds good...

hardasnails1973 · 03-07-2007, 11:15 AM

Bump
how to laod the needlee because of it being so small and also test results from using this method any one getting absorption or having bumps under there skin from the oil? Would bumps not just get absorbed into the blood stream and just be stored in fat cells?

**CRUNCH** · 03-07-2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

Bump
how to laod the needlee because of it being so small and also test results from using this method any one getting absorption or having bumps under there skin from the oil? Would bumps not just get absorbed into the blood stream and just be stored in fat cells?

Bring your question over to the "steroid" section where we are continuing the discussion.

pmgamer18 · 03-09-2007, 12:34 PM

I started doing this because of what Shippen is doing been at it over a yr. Here is what I found doing the depo T shots subQ in my belly skin it stings and burns for hrs. alter. I don't feel the shot like I do IM and also don't feel my HCG shots doing them subQ. So I started doing my shots as per my Dr. using a 27g 1ml x 1/2" lg. needle into my thigh. I do 50mgs of Depo T every 3 days and 250 IU's of HCG the 2 days each in between. Using the 27g needle my levels of Total and Free T stayed the same I did this subQ for a good 8 weeks the went to the thigh. I feel I get the same results as Shippen gets doing this subQ. I have not problem getting the .25mls of 200mgs/ml of Depo out of the vile into the needle. I pull the plunger all the way down and hold it. It takea about a min. to get .25ml of Deop T out of the vile. I then just shoot into my thigh. Doing my Depo T shot in the morning subQ I don't feel it until that night and it keeps me up. Also I don't get the feeling of well being from my HCG shots doing them subQ.

NattyNow · 03-11-2007, 11:52 PM

micronized shot suspension mixed in methyl b-12 works great for subq. a shot 1hr bef workout is awesome. i dunno if there es more e2 conv shooting in the fat... i don't get more bloat than from the im... again though, my dose is tiny (15mg). you can use a slin pin for these sub-q shots. you can get thicher gear in the slin pin by pulling out the plunder, and then big needle into open barrel of slin pin. the smaller guage will help prevent leakage.

**Zero Tolerance** · 03-18-2007, 02:01 PM

Just a quick message looking for updates. If I remember correctly, there are 2 or 3 people doing this...

Bungloid48 · 12-01-2007, 09:49 PM

my endo also has all of his patients injecting sub-q weekly with GREAT results. its the new trend in canada.

however, I'm too afraid to inject on my own and the past 2 injections were done by some clueless doc... he injected it into my arm. No pain or lumps but I think a good deal of the oil leaked out both times.

So I guess I should tell him to do it in the abdomen next time...

Bungloid48 · 12-01-2007, 10:10 PM

Eh I guess I should man up and do it myself then!

Can anyone recommend what size needles I need to do it SubQ. I want to follow Dr. Shippen's protocol.

I'm a total newb.

Diancecht · 12-02-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentScream27

Dr. John, I am sure you know this as well as anyone, but it annoys me to no end to hear that testosterone injections are problematic because they result in uneven levels of T. THAT'S BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO INJECT MORE OFTEN THAN ONCE A FORTNIGHT! When, and why, the hell did that become common practice for something with a 5-6 day half-life? They are simply injecting once T falls below baseline, instead of acknowledging the widespread anecdotal evidence showing that falling/rising levels are hell for patients. I am glad that you are one of the only docs who will inject EW. I am sure there could be benefit from injecting twice EW for patients who can self-administer, as well.

200mg EOW (for the IM) is almost certainly what they are talking about. I suppose the study is far less useful than it could have been now... who reviews these things before they go to trial?

EDIT: And yes, I actually have no idea how one would go about sticking a 23g needle into abdominal fat... do you go close to parallel to the surface to avoid stabbing your liver or god knows what else?

As a clinician I wonder about that two. The research shows that properly done test cyp given once per week achieves steady blood levels after the 3rd to 4th dose. The only reason I can see for once every two weeks is if they are trying to reduce the number of injections for patient compliance issues etc.

I use 180 IM in the glutes once weekly and get good results near the high end of normal. With Anastrazole .5 every two days the estradiol stays in the lower quartile.

So far (knock on wood) the symptoms that were significantly affecting me have resolved.

JanSz · 12-02-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bungloid48

Eh I guess I should man up and do it myself then!

Can anyone recommend what size needles I need to do it SubQ. I want to follow Dr. Shippen's protocol.

I'm a total newb.

I do E2D

day #1 T injection plus Liquidex, I use insuline syringe with cut out needle so I can have exact dose of LiquiDex (very important).

day #2 hcg 380iu

rinse and repeat.

For T and HCG I use
31ga 5/16" long needle 3/10cc syringe.
That is smallest available syringe.

I use donut area around navel, 6" outside diameter, 1.5" Dia around navel is newer used.

I do get tiny leak outs, if I hold in the needle about 30 sec after the shot is completed, usually there is no leakouts.

Blood analysis show that I am getting my planned amount of testosterone.

aculpep · 12-03-2007, 04:29 PM

I dont see how in the world you get T cyp in a 31g insulin syringe!? Even in the 25g it takes awhile to draw and shoot. I am trying to heat the oil next time and using a 27g.

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Originally Posted by JanSz

I do E2D

day #1 T injection plus Liquidex, I use insuline syringe with cut out needle so I can have exact dose of LiquiDex (very important).

day #2 hcg 380iu

rinse and repeat.

For T and HCG I use
31ga 5/16" long needle 3/10cc syringe.
That is smallest available syringe.

I use donut area around navel, 6" outside diameter, 1.5" Dia around navel is newer used.

I do get tiny leak outs, if I hold in the needle about 30 sec after the shot is completed, usually there is no leakouts.

Blood analysis show that I am getting my planned amount of testosterone.

JanSz · 12-03-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by aculpep

I dont see how in the world you get T cyp in a 31g insulin syringe!? Even in the 25g it takes awhile to draw and shoot. I am trying to heat the oil next time and using a 27g.

It takes about 4 minutes.
After I put needle into rubber stop in the vial,
I hold vial in left hand, between palm, thumb and index finger,
tips of thumb and index finger hold the syringe.
I pull the plug down then hold the syringe down, then I read posts on this board to pass time. Recheck and pull plug some more. Then I make a subq shot around navel.
Been doing that way since I started T shots 6/19/07

Bungloid48 · 12-03-2007, 05:50 PM

I think I'll get some 27g needles and some 30g just to gauge which ones work better. They're cheap anyway.

Do I also need drawing needles to take the test out of the vial? I am very new at this and I'd appreciate if someone could point me towards a comprehensive guide for all this.

Also, living in Canada, I assume they could probably supply me with free needles if need be?

FWIW, I only use T. No HCG.

JanSz · 12-03-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bungloid48

I think I'll get some 27g needles and some 30g just to gauge which ones work better. They're cheap anyway.

Do I also need drawing needles to take the test out of the vial? I am very new at this and I'd appreciate if someone could point me towards a comprehensive guide for all this.

Also, living in Canada, I assume they could probably supply me with free needles if need be?

FWIW, I only use T. No HCG.

No need for drawing needles, just take 31ga stick it thru rubber stop on the vial, pull the plunger, wait patiently.

It is really very easy.

If you need a extra kick, watch a movie or something.
Sticking with needles is about scar tissue biuld up, do not be a hero.