[Zero Tolerance]

Well.. Is it true that most absess' form from oil leaking out of the muscle after an IM injection? Or is it only when there's a reason for an infection being present?

[CRUNCH]

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

Well.. Is it true that most absess' form from oil leaking out of the muscle after an IM injection? Or is it only when there's a reason for an infection being present?

I think (don't quote me) that it's only if there's something causing an infection (dirty needle, injection site, dirty gear, etc...). None of the doctors or researchers mentioned in the begining of the thread talked about an increased risk if infections from this. I've done GH and insulin shots more times than I can count over the years with no probs. Even if you did get an infection under the skin, they are MUCH easier to take care, and much less dangerous then in your muscle.

If anything, I think we're safer doing sub-q than IM. The only question for me is if it will work or not. The research in the begining here seemd to say it does.


Looks like nothing but pros and no cons to me.

[ItsHectic]

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

I don't know.. It's probably just a good idea for one of our more knowledgable guys here to chime in on whether or not it's actually a "very" bad idea like I've been told.. So far, I'm not having any problems but it's not even been 24 hours yet...

Better safe than sorry...

P.S. People are figuring I'm going to get an absess or infection...

Its not a very bad idea, but I am not saying nothing is going to happen, doing an IM injection without aspirating would be a very bad idea.
Dr. Shippen does SubQ, and I havent heard of anything bad about it yet.

Originally Posted by CRUNCH

Hmmm...I don't think you can get an absess from a sub-q injection. I think that's only with IM shots. .

My mate had an abcess and it was under his arm so I dont think it was from his muscle, but his skin, he had it cut out, I would think abscesses are more common in the skin then the muscle. I am pretty sure it is only from an infection, I think most guys who get abscesses from AAS are the ones who buy fake gear wich obviously wouldnt be sterile.


I would love to do like 10mg of sus subq every morning before getting out of bed, would sure beat a morning coffee or apple.

[Zero Tolerance]

I guess there's nothing to worry about unless Dr. Shippen is using some type of different Enanthate.. Maybe something specifically made for subcutaneous injections.. Since I doubt that, then I agree with Crunch that it's probably all pros over cons... We'll just have to wait and see if it actually works - just to prove it to ourselves...

[CRUNCH]

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

We'll just have to wait and see if it actually works - just to prove it to ourselves...

That's pretty much how everything in our world has been discoverd/figured out. Us guinea pigs! Then the researchers of the world see it and announce their "discoveries", things we've been doing for 10 years!

At least this time it was a doctor that maybe found us something new!

[ItsHectic]

Entrez PubMed

Another study

[CRUNCH]

Originally Posted by ItsHectic

Entrez PubMed

Another study

Nice!

[Zero Tolerance]

I suppose there's no need for aspiration when injecting SubQ. Correct? Probably a stupid question, but...

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by CRUNCH

LOL...No kidding! It's just me and you ZERO!

Just because we aint replying doesn't mean we aint learnin!

I am watching this thread curiously.

[Zero Tolerance]

I've been reading about this stuff ALL day today. I just noticed something I hadn't noticed before.. It appears as if Dr. Shippen's patient is actually injecting subcutaneously TWICE per day, every 3 days..

Would one assume that these injections are spaced-apart 12 hours? Or done simultaneously?

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

I heard back from the patient of Dr. Shippen. He injects depo-testosterone 200mg/ml, .35 ml every 3 days into abdominal fat. He splits the injections into two .18 ml injections which is .36 ml, and says this is because a tiny amount will leak out of the injection site.

[ItsHectic]

I remember reading that, I would imagine its simultaniously, I think with every day injections it wouldnt be a problem as your using an even smaller dose.

I dont see how doing T,HCG,HCG,T,HCG,HCG,T,etc would have any cons over doing T every day with HCG M,W,F

[Zero Tolerance]

If one is to do two subcutaneous Cypionate injections daily, it seems very likely to run out of injection spots..

Can anyone provide any advice here?

[ItsHectic]

You would be doing 1 daily, the reason they were using 2 injections every 3 days was because the dose was too big.

[Zero Tolerance]

Originally Posted by ItsHectic

You would be doing 1 daily, the reason they were using 2 injections every 3 days was because the dose was too big.

That sounds reasonable but if both injections were done simultaneously, how would that be the case? I know it's unclear but maybe they did the injections once every 36 hours to make for the total every 3 days?

[ItsHectic]

Then it would be one injection every 1 and a half days, but its 2 injections every 3 days so it wouldnt drip out because there was too much oil per spot, I am asuming that the person is doing 1 injection right after the other.

[Zero Tolerance]

Maybe .50MLs is too much at one time subcutaneously...

[ItsHectic]

Well the study seemed ok on weekly injections, I guess it depends on the individual.
But I think if your gonna go SubQ you might aswell inject every day and I think sustanon would be a better option over enanthate or cyp, but test prop would be even better.