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Old 02-27-2007, 06:36 PM   #31
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Are there any blood results available from somebody who's done T injections subcutaneously? I'm curious about trying this while on my HRT program...
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Anything new with the sub-q test shots??

I'm going to try this, starting tonight with my next shot.

Do the shots have to be in the abdominal area also? Or could you also go into the skin on your thigh?
 
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Thank you for being sort of a guinea pig, Crunch.. How much are you going to inject? And what? Oil based or water based? I'm guessing Oil. If so, I guess you're not worried about buildup beneath your skin?
 
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Thank you for being sort of a guinea pig, Crunch.. How much are you going to inject? And what? Oil based or water based? I'm guessing Oil. If so, I guess you're not worried about buildup beneath your skin?
No prob. I've actually got some scar tissue bulidup in my thighs and shoulders, so this could be a very good thing for me.

I've got lots of skin, so build-up shouldn't be a problem if it doesn't have to be abdominal only.

I'll be using sust, normally I do 750mgs per week IM, so I'll divide this up to 250 three times per week. Half ml in each thigh sub-q.

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I will because I feel a lot better about injecting subcutaneously than intramuscularly..

What size needle are you going to use? Gauge-wise...
 
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I will because I feel a lot better about injecting subcutaneously than intramuscularly..

What size needle are you going to use? Gauge-wise...
I've still got a bunch of 21's from doing IM. I'll try that tonight, if it's too big of a hole I'll order up some 23's or 25's.
 
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I just injected 150mg (1/2cc) of Cypionate. I have 15ccs left and it's about to expire.. So, I might as well experiment with this too.. I used a one inch 29 gauge insulin pin to extract and inject subcutaneously, just above my navel...

What might the half-life be when injected subcutaneously. I'm not looking to do a big cycle here, just level hrt. If this really works, how long do you think I can wait before my next injection so not to be on a hormonal roller coaster?
 
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I just injected 150mg (1cc) of Cypionate. I have 15ccs left and it's about to expire.. So, I might as well experiment with this too.. I used a 29 gauge insulin pin to extract and inject subcutaneously, just above my navel...

What might the half-life be when injected subcutaneously. I'm not looking to do a big cycle here, just level hrt. If this really works, how long do you think I can wait before my next injection so not to be on a hormonal roller coaster?
I would imagine the half-life would still be the same. The article that started this thread talked about doing EOD shots I believe. They said between that and the sub-q shots, T levels stayed pretty even. I'm kinda looking forward to this. I'm starting with sust, but will switching to E in a couple weeks. We'll see!
 
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How did it go getting that oil into a slin pin???? That must have taken a while!
 
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I just injected 150mg (1cc) of Cypionate. I have 15ccs left and it's about to expire.. So, I might as well experiment with this too.. I used a 29 gauge insulin pin to extract and inject subcutaneously, just above my navel...

What might the half-life be when injected subcutaneously. I'm not looking to do a big cycle here, just level hrt. If this really works, how long do you think I can wait before my next injection so not to be on a hormonal roller coaster?
This is a very broad and general statement to make, and can differ from person to person - but from the lab reports Ive read and from what everyone posts about, T levels start to noticably drop around the 4th day, at a significant, noticable amount.

A much better protocol IMO would be breaking that 150 dose down into smaller injects, injecting every 3 days. You could also get away with smaller needles as well.

If your doing a cycle of AAS, and Im assuming your not given the small dose of 150mg, then there is no need to go with such protocol. People on AAS often inject 500mg per week, and with that amount of T floating around the bloodstream, once per week is sufficient.
 
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wouldnt this make more sense to use a different carrier instead of oil like ethyl lactate or oleate, also ive always wondered but never been brave enough to try but can you shoot micronized test susp SC?
 
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How did it go getting that oil into a slin pin???? That must have taken a while!
It took a couple of minutes to get the oil in the syringe.. It wasn't that bad, really. And injecting it wasn't so bad either, but I did notice a tiny bit of the oil on my skin - so I'll need to inject even slower next time. It went rather well, actually..
 
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So maybe I'll go with 100mg every 3 days..

Somehow I'm not really confident that this is going to work.. I suppose when I go for my next blood test, I'll find out... I'll post the results.. I'm not sure when this will be happening though.. Soon...

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This is a very broad and general statement to make, and can differ from person to person - but from the lab reports Ive read and from what everyone posts about, T levels start to noticably drop around the 4th day, at a significant, noticable amount.

A much better protocol IMO would be breaking that 150 dose down into smaller injects, injecting every 3 days. You could also get away with smaller needles as well.

If your doing a cycle of anabolic steroids, and Im assuming your not given the small dose of 150mg, then there is no need to go with such protocol. People on AAS often inject 500mg per week, and with that amount of T floating around the bloodstream, once per week is sufficient.
 
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Oh! I've been taking 2.5mg of Letrozole daily as I noticed a lump beneath my right nipple. I got very sick and stopped my HRT abruptly in November. How will this effect what I'm doing right now?

Thanks in advance...
 
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Oh! I've been taking 2.5mg of Letrozole daily as I noticed a lump beneath my right nipple. I got very sick and stopped my HRT abruptly in November. How will this effect what I'm doing right now?

Thanks in advance...
I'm not sure on that one. I'm hoping Dr John will check out this thread again soon with some input all around.

I'm still wondering if it's ok to do sub-q anywhere on the body, or if it's just abdominl.
 
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I just injected 150mg (1/2cc) of Cypionate. I have 15ccs left and it's about to expire.. So, I might as well experiment with this too.. I used a one inch 29 gauge insulin pin to extract and inject subcutaneously, just above my navel...

What might the half-life be when injected subcutaneously. I'm not looking to do a big cycle here, just level hrt. If this really works, how long do you think I can wait before my next injection so not to be on a hormonal roller coaster?
Expiry data: Testosterone esters are very stable. I would not worry about that expiry date at all.

Roller coaster:You can experiment and find out what works best for you. Don't change your weekly amount at this point and make one change at a time. I went to EOD injections. What you will be is level and you will not feel any injection lift. Some who have E interfering may not feel a lift with their weekly injections and may feel down 7 days a week. That is a good sign that you need to make a change, or need to get on AI. You will miss the lift, if you have not lost that already, but you will feel normal all the time. But in that you could still have E issues as I did. Some have trouble getting enough syringes in some states to make such changes.
 
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So if what I have expires today, I'm okay to use it for awhile? Maybe a few months?

I'll try this (100mg of cypionate) every three days for awhile and see how it works out.. Somehow or another, I feel MUCH better about injecting into subcutaneous fat rather that deep into muscle...
 
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Somehow or another, I feel MUCH better about injecting into subcutaneous fat rather that deep into muscle...
Same here. Less chance of a bad infection too. Although I'm anal as hell about keeping things sterile.
 
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