How much would testosterone cost annually if on HRT without insurance or even prescription? I would imagine homebrewing being cheapest but what would be the range of spending for a whole year of HRT?
$120 per year for T Cream, from the largest compounding pharmacy in the country. Thats $10 per month.
Really? and that is out of pocket expense?Originally Posted by 1cc
That is total cost without any insurance.Originally Posted by pistonpump
What is the compounding pharmacy you are referring to. I am currently paying $360.00 for a 3 month supply
Prices for medsOriginally Posted by bobi
Testosterone Cypionate 200mg/ml 10ml $40 incl. shipping
Testosterone cream 60grams 100mg/gram (max 100mg/gram) $40 lasts 2+ months depending on how much you use (1g 2 months, 1/2g 4 months, 1/4gram 8 months)
Women's International Pharmacy - Natural hormone replacement therapies - compounding specialists for women/men
HCG APP brand 10,000iu 10ml $32 incl. shipping lasts 60 days unlike Novarel which is 30 days.
Walmart speciality pharmacy 877-453-4566
BTW, this is a very good price for a gel. With creams the economics work out better because one can use parts of a gram of high concentration cream, whereas with gels it would be too difficult to do.Originally Posted by Dr. John
Ah a testosterone frost, lol.
Yes, I am working with an internet business. My doctor doesn't seem to beleive in HRT.Originally Posted by Dr. John
Not possible to find a new Dr.? I understand if the answer is yes, I'm just curious. I go to see my primary care physician next week. He doesn't yet know that I am on HRT.Originally Posted by bobi
you need presciptions for all these correct? doesn't seem like any joe-blow could call them up and order some test cyp. or HCG. correct me if im wrong, i dont know the process with this company, great pricing thoughOriginally Posted by 1cc
Yes, you would need a prescription.Originally Posted by ralph4u2c
Theoretically, creams can be compounded to 200mg/gram (20%), although realistically 100mg/gram(10%) produces a better cream. Gels are usually compounded max 5%, although Signature does it at 10%. The cream absorbs quickly, but needs to be applied to thin hairless skin eg. inner bicep area, or inner forearm area. I apply to inner bicep of 1 bicep and alternate biceps every day to avoid saturation. Since the amount of cream applied is very small, this is possible. I have never experienced frost with creams (I use a vanishing cream base). This may be something that only occurs with gels. I wear a T-shirt to avoid transference.Originally Posted by Dr. John
Here is an article written by Medaus about different bases.
Topic: Creams, Gels and Lotions
Not quite the same ring as trains, planes and automobiles but creams, gels and lotions are an important component to the success of the therapy you prescribe for your patients. Have you given this much thought? I know doctors and most pharmacists in my community do not. The docs write a prescription for a transdermal (whether that be pain medication or bio-identical hormone replacement medications, etc)-tell the patient to go to a compounding pharmacy and have the prescription filled. The patient calls the practitioner in the middle of the night because she is having hot flashes due to her “medicine” not working. Is it the dose, the time of administration…OR is it the base used? The issue occurs when the doc is not specific on what base to use and/or the pharmacist is not knowledgeable or proficient enough in compounding to adequately inform the physician on the best vehicle to use.
This topic will be discussed in detail at our upcoming seminar in Las Vegas. For now, however, let me discuss some practical issues on this subject. Medaus Pharmacy has both anecdotally and quantitatively determined the following:
Lipoderm or PLO bases are alcohol based and has a high rate of absorption. This high rate drives the medication through the layers of the skin and at times through the fat (lipid soluble) resulting in peak-valley pharmacokinetic results. With Bio-identical hormones for example, depending on when (what time) samples are taken for lab purposes (versus when the base is applied) can affect the concentration reading of the hormone. With BHRT this is not the goal so we do not recommend PLO unless testosterone is the active ingredient.
Vanishing cream as well as Medaus Cosmetic HRT base has less “force” of penetration of hormones for instance, resulting in slower release than other creams and by default results in more consistent levels for the patients. More appropriate pharmacokinetic characteristics for BHRT.
Emollient Cream bases have been around for ages…they are effective but tend to leave an oily/sticky feeling on the patients skin.
Vanishing Cream bases are effective, light and more “cosmetically” appealing than the other bases but is not as consistent as the Medaus Cosmetic Cream HRT base.
In addition, different skin types, among other things, plays a major role in the decision of which cream to chose. At Medaus, we have found that the Medaus Cosmetic HRT cream base or vanishing creams deliver the best results regardless if the patient has dry skin, oily or leathery. Also, age considerations should be noted due to thickness of skin or lack thereof due to aging.
Last edited by Dr. John; 01-27-2007 at 11:05 AM.
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I pay for all out of pocket. I get these prices at Sam's Club with a Business membership. Non-business memberships do not get these prices.Originally Posted by pistonpump
10 ml Watson's test cyp 200mg/ml $42 (around $100 at Walgreen's)
10,000iu HCG kit $16.25 (lasts 80 days @ 250iu EOD)
100 #29 .5" .5ml insulin syringes $12
100 #23 1.5" 3ml syringes $18
These costs are trivial. Blood work is the greatest cost.
Arimidex anastrozole is expensive from a pharmacy.
Last edited by Dr. John; 01-25-2007 at 06:31 AM.
I tihnk I need to swtich brands because every since I stopped the armidex on the testocreme it been down hill straight from there ever since. So progrmmer was right it about PLO gel base. Say when i get test results back and my e2 is elevated after swithcing brands for 2 weeks can test be ran again to confirm the corrected dosage? Dr john is your signature pharamacy available for any dr to call it get a prescription from or is that just for your patience. I just want to get this right is all been 2 years of fumbling around with things and this is worst i have felt so far.
HCG that lasts 80 days what brand name are you using.Originally Posted by KSman
$1300US per year for andriol without the discount(you need to be low enough to be bed ridden before claiming discount ), expensive because basicly, its 160mg of testosterone unceconoate per day.
Last edited by ItsHectic; 01-26-2007 at 07:26 AM.
Post your test results.Originally Posted by hardasnails1973
Possibly too much testocreme.
Describe your testocreme strenght, how much are you using.
Bottom line is what is your FreeT.
As I understand,
the theory is that you have to keep your FreeT just right,
if too high, E2 goes up.
Too much HCG (probably over 100IU/day), E2 goes up.
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FreeT3 at high end gives more energy, optimizes T and E2.
When kept per above (probably many more),
production of E2 is minimized and easier to manage
with just DIM+I3C
which is a better gentler and less expensive choice than (rough) Arimidex.
Last test results via blood work results were in accurate do to fact that blood was drawn not after taking the gel.Originally Posted by JanSz
this was awhile back on 5% creme no hcg, no armidex
free T was 11.5
total t was 425
free t-3 low normal
free t-4 dead mid range
reverse t-3 off charts
Was doing 5% with 250 ius hcg and armidex 1/2 mgs m,th dr wanted a bse line rading so i dropped everything and went on 10% creme for a month problem was is that i ran out of money financial reason and could not afford the tests no insurance, but a week after stopping armidex no more morning wood, brain fog. white spots appearing in fingernails, appetite and strength dropped like a ROCK. next friday I get compelte blood work and get things done properly like it should have been done 2 years ago
dosage 10% testocreme right now no armidex, no hcg, Dim 200 mgs. Applying to forearm, and white reidue is left behind after applied. May be i should apply it on my abs and see if that makes a differnce, but i can not find a study that does speficy if ther eis a differnt in e2 on forearm vs flank of abs
Ok i am going to run alittle experiment drs always told me to rub it in on the forearms so i have been, but just for hell of it i am going to apply it to my intercostals and see if my morning errections come back and be curious to see how blood works looks next week plus how it makes me feel different. Since Food allergies produce histamines and the liver uses the same pathways to discard elevated estrogen levels could be possbile be a connection because my urine histamines where off the charts. So could hidden food allergies actually be contribbuting to elevated estrogen levels due to the fact that the liver has to deal with both the histamines and estrogen in the same pathways hmmmm pretty interesting and i can pretty much guarrantee any one with elevated estrogen levels is undermethylated as dr john has nicely pointed out about using TMG which helps over ride this..