Somebody Get Me A Doctor

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  1. Man I feel your thread! About a month ago I started androgel levels were 214. And I just turned 41. I've been on androgel for about a month I go in for a check this week so it will be interesting to see where I'm at. A friend directed me this board, and I'm glad. See my questions after my next test concern stacking or creating a better enviorment for muscle growth. My problem is probably like some on the board. And thats the medical profession lake of knowledge about fitness, nutrition, and working out. I asked my urologist if there were any dietary, or workout considerations to think about now that I'm on androgel. His response was no! And I'm thinking, ok if I'm adding testosterone to my system, how can I not get better results and help my health by changing my diet. AGGGHHH!!! Its just fustrating, just like most doctors that will tell you to stop working out, when you are injured instead of telling you how to train around the injury, and train to helpl prevent the injury. Now on another not. I have to commend you on your comments on parenting. Let me say that I'm a step parent, and I will say that I think its great that you put your childs wellbeing ahead of your wants, even thought your wants are set aside sometimes. My situation is a bit different, my step-childrens father always puts his needs first, no matter what it does to the kids. Thanks for the thread.

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    Welcome!

    Thanks for joining the board and sharing your first post with me. Kind words.

    Stick around and feel free to share you experiences with your TRT.
    All my life I've never stopped to worry 'bout a thing,
    Open up and shout it out, an' never try to sing,
    Wondering if I've done it wrong,
    Will this depression last for long, wont you tell me,
    Where have all the good times gone.
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  3. Hey there. Just a quick note. I just switched to androgel from Test Cyp. Was getting tired of having to rely on my wife to shoot me. Also, my doc feels that the daily gels are the way to go.

    Have you had any blood pressure issues? Mine is really high ow and my head hurts a lot. I am not enjoying this and may go back down to 3 pumps a day. Im also contemplating going off entirely and trying a more natural approach with supplements.

    Keep us poste on how you are doing.

    Thanks
    Derek

  4. How come you didn't get your IGF levels tested???

    This stuff dries super quick with no residue. It is clear and begging for more active..
    This is pure unadulterated B5150.....just a gem. Hit me up for a chat.....on hushmail.
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    I just called you Friday, I think. I left a voice mail. I will clear some time this afternoon or evening to call or write. I covered a whole bunch in this thread so you are rather up to date with me. I did my first post hernia sugery w/o this morning. Thank goodness. I was loosing what was left of my mind.
    All my life I've never stopped to worry 'bout a thing,
    Open up and shout it out, an' never try to sing,
    Wondering if I've done it wrong,
    Will this depression last for long, wont you tell me,
    Where have all the good times gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughboy
    Hey there. Just a quick note. I just switched to androgel from Test Cyp. Was getting tired of having to rely on my wife to shoot me. Also, my doc feels that the daily gels are the way to go.
    I am still working out what my dose of AndroGel needs to be, if indeed it will be sufficient at up to 10g/d. I am waiting for test results and it is the holiday so the Dr. ain't in. Anecdotally...I need more, me thinks. I have considered injections for the less frequent dosing, but have never injected and have concern with the fluctuations of levels. AndroGel is pretty level.

    Have you had any blood pressure issues? Mine is really high ow and my head hurts a lot. I am not enjoying this and may go back down to 3 pumps a day. Im also contemplating going off entirely and trying a more natural approach with supplements.
    No BP issues.
    All my life I've never stopped to worry 'bout a thing,
    Open up and shout it out, an' never try to sing,
    Wondering if I've done it wrong,
    Will this depression last for long, wont you tell me,
    Where have all the good times gone.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by B5150
    I just called you Friday, I think. I left a voice mail. I will clear some time this afternoon or evening to call or write. I covered a whole bunch in this thread so you are rather up to date with me. I did my first post hernia sugery w/o this morning. Thank goodness. I was loosing what was left of my mind.

    I have a new cell phone......I can e-mail it to you.

  8. It is quite obvious to me now that he loves you more B. I think I've left messages for God knows who twice now... see tha tears? *Dweep* *Dweep*

    I don't even get a hush mail addy... what a rip!


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    All my life I've never stopped to worry 'bout a thing,
    Open up and shout it out, an' never try to sing,
    Wondering if I've done it wrong,
    Will this depression last for long, wont you tell me,
    Where have all the good times gone.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by TheUnlikelyToad
    It is quite obvious to me now that he loves you more B. I think I've left messages for God knows who twice now... see tha tears? *Dweep* *Dweep*

    I don't even get a hush mail addy... what a rip!



    I have to publicly appologize to you both. This new job has gone to my head.....in a stressful sort of way. I tried to e-mail B but got a return mailer (he's dissing me). YGPM.....bltches
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJA
    I have to publicly appologize to you both.
    Well...we're waiting
    All my life I've never stopped to worry 'bout a thing,
    Open up and shout it out, an' never try to sing,
    Wondering if I've done it wrong,
    Will this depression last for long, wont you tell me,
    Where have all the good times gone.
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    Still waiting on follow-up bloodwork return from my Dr....should/could be today.
    All my life I've never stopped to worry 'bout a thing,
    Open up and shout it out, an' never try to sing,
    Wondering if I've done it wrong,
    Will this depression last for long, wont you tell me,
    Where have all the good times gone.

  13. ... I'm waiting for tha other follow-up.
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    I was hoping to have something to update with, but I don't at this time. My Dr's office called Friday (last) to tell me to call on Monday (last) to schedule an appointment to review my labs. This meant, to me, she wanted to discuss how to proceed with a dosage increase. Otherwise she would not have wanted me in at all. Well I called on Monday to find that she is on vacation this whole week. I have an appointment for this coming Tuesday

    On a side note. I think I have a crush on my Dr. I think about her all the time. I can hardly wait to see her again. She is the only one who really listens to me. She is cute, smart, funny...ohhh wait. Did I just say that outloud.

    Anyway...
    All my life I've never stopped to worry 'bout a thing,
    Open up and shout it out, an' never try to sing,
    Wondering if I've done it wrong,
    Will this depression last for long, wont you tell me,
    Where have all the good times gone.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by B5150
    Well...we're waiting
    ... I'm waiting for tha other follow-up.

    Sorry......bltches

    Maybe you got my HM??? I didn't receive a response....I even put my new cell on my old cell greeting......bltches.....

    As far as your Doc goes.....WTF??? You need to turn her on to people with higher test values......
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJA
    Sorry......bltches

    Maybe you got my HM??? I didn't receive a response....I even put my new cell on my old cell greeting......bltches.....

    As far as your Doc goes.....WTF??? You need to turn her on to people with higher test values......
    I went as far as putting it on my speed dial. Then I got caught in a speed trap. I'll wake your ass up tomorrow at the crack of dawn (6:00AM AZ time) and then you'll be putting me on your blocked list.

    Been real busy trying to get my house sold, scouting a new house in a community 100miles round trip from my current home and trying to keep two females happy...and daydreaming about my MD

    Look for a wake up call in the AM (no punn)
    All my life I've never stopped to worry 'bout a thing,
    Open up and shout it out, an' never try to sing,
    Wondering if I've done it wrong,
    Will this depression last for long, wont you tell me,
    Where have all the good times gone.

  17. I'll wake your ass up tomorrow at the crack of dawn (6:00AM AZ time)
    Whateverrrrrrrrr
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    Here is a summary of blood work results in sequence:

    First Bloodwork
    LH (0.8-7.6): 17.5
    Total Test (250-1100): 454
    % Free Test (1.1-2.8): 0.81
    Free Test (35.0-155.0): 36.7

    Second Bloodwork
    LH (0.8-7.6): 20.1
    Total Test (250-1100): 497
    % Free Test (1.1-2.8): 0.80
    Free Test (35.0-155.0): 39.8

    28 days of 5g of AndroGel:
    LH (0.8-7.6): 5.7
    Total Test (250-1100): 643
    % Free Test (1.1-2.8): 0.97
    Free Test (35.0-155.0): 62.2

    Estrodiol (<57): 22

    Well, we are making excellent progress.

    She bumped me to 7.5g/day of AndroGel. The thing is I am 20 days past that 28 day blood draw. I am frustrated that this is taking the pace it is. At least it is taking place. I am pretty sure that I will settle at 10g/day but it is taking it's time getting here. I have an standing request for bloodwork at the lab. I told her I was not going to wait another 30 days to see where we are at 7.5g/d. So I will be dosing at 7.5 and getting a blood draw after two weeks.
    All my life I've never stopped to worry 'bout a thing,
    Open up and shout it out, an' never try to sing,
    Wondering if I've done it wrong,
    Will this depression last for long, wont you tell me,
    Where have all the good times gone.
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    On a side note. I have discontinued the SNRI Effexor. The benefit to cost ratio was low. It had raised liver values (more that an oral steroid...go figure), cholesterol values and blood pressure. Not to mention headaches, dizziness, constipation, cotton mouth.

    There were the benefits that I enjoyed such as increased patience and tolerance to situations and circumstances that I usually do not handle very well. Delayed ejaculation had quite a positive effect on this male's ego.

    Please beware coming off of SSRI's/SNRI's, and especially Effexor, has some serious withdrawl symptoms. Not very nice at all.
    All my life I've never stopped to worry 'bout a thing,
    Open up and shout it out, an' never try to sing,
    Wondering if I've done it wrong,
    Will this depression last for long, wont you tell me,
    Where have all the good times gone.

  20. Dropping the dose down while slowly lengthening the dose times helps. Cold turkey can cause some quite severe reactions.

  21. Hey B, did I reply to your thread? I thought I did but...Damn, I think i'm losing my mind.
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    Oh, I know that, silly. I tapered down over three weeks. I am now 1 week off with only mild symptoms.

    Yes you did, but I wanted THAT to remain off the record. No harm...just wanted it that way.
    All my life I've never stopped to worry 'bout a thing,
    Open up and shout it out, an' never try to sing,
    Wondering if I've done it wrong,
    Will this depression last for long, wont you tell me,
    Where have all the good times gone.

  23. Understood I just didn't want you to think I was ignoring you. And I figured you were smart enough but that was directed more to those who were reading than you


    Gonna be sending you a PM
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    OK, OK, and OK.
    All my life I've never stopped to worry 'bout a thing,
    Open up and shout it out, an' never try to sing,
    Wondering if I've done it wrong,
    Will this depression last for long, wont you tell me,
    Where have all the good times gone.

  25. Excellent progress on the lab values.
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    I am furious at this moment and I need to vent.

    My first issue is with my insurance company.

    I pay $150 every two weeks for major medical and prescription for an annual premium total of $3900.

    My doctor co-pays are $30. My bloodwork co-pays are $30. My hospitalization co-pay is $150. I pay 10% or they pay 90% of the bill.

    My hernia surgery:

    The hospital bill was $8500. I payed $150 co-pay and 10% of the balance of $8350 for a total of $985.

    The doctor office visit/consult was $335 and surgery bill was $2050 for a total of $2385 at a cost of 10% for an out of pocket cost of $238.

    The anesthetician was $840 at a cost of 10% for an out of pocket cost of $84

    $985 hospital
    $238 doctor
    $84 anesth
    $1307 total

    Remember that $3900 annual premium too. Sure I guess it sure would have been a lot more without the coverage.

    My prescription plan:

    I found out today that I have an annual prescription limit of $1000. Well guess what I have exceeded it already. Well this blows when you consider that Ambien is $140 and AmbienCR is $150 not to mention that I was on Effexor for several months. I have had one or two fills of the Ambien and several of the Ambien CR. So that would explain my reaching the anual limit. What would I do if I could not live witout those. AmbienCR at $150 x 12 months is $1800 alone. That blows the whole $1000 annual limit by itself.

    I went to get my AndroGel prescription refill. I had previously been on 5g/day using the packets. Using the packets at that dose a box full would last me 30 days with a co-pay of $30. Well last month I got a free sample month of the pump. I could not stand to open those foil packets. I got two bottles for a 30 day supply of 5g/day. Well my doctor upped my dose. I went in to get my refills at 7.5g/d. Well at that dose a box of two pumps will only last 20 days. So that means that at 10g/day I would need two boxs a months.

    Being as that my prescription coverage limit of $1000 upon this refill my co-pay was $88. I guess there must have been $58 dollars over my limit becuase my I have a co-pay of $30.

    So I now have a $88 dollar bill for 20 days of AndroGel and a $140 bill for Ambien. So I figure I could live without the Ambien. But I need the AndroGel because I am surely suppressed at this point and quiting cold turkey would leave me worse off than I was.

    So I get my refill of AndroGel but then it dawns on me that I will need this for...ever and my prescript coverage limit is expired. So I ask the pharmacist what the out of pocket cost on the box I just bought would be if I bought it outright. $250 dollars. Un-believable. In the two bottles combined there is a total of 1.5g of testosterone. 1.5 grams. I mean it comes in a very cool metered pump bottle. It is a foil pouch liner with a metered pump attached enclosed in a plastic bottle. $250!!! for two bottles of 1.5 grams worth of testosterone. If I went to 10g/d I would need four bottles. Even if my prescription limit balance was zero I would run out in two month...without the Ambien. Do you know how much a gram of testosterone is at 100g bulk price??? What about kilos, or mega kilos???? Those sons-of-*****es!!!

    UUUUHHHGGGGG!!!!! Sorry, I had to get that out of my system.

    Well suffice is to say that it looks like I am going to have to find an alternative. 10ml of prop at 200mg/ml is $76 out of pocket. Even at 200mg/week or 100mg/E3D that would last 8-10 weeks. Once my annual prescription balance is reinstated that would be $30 for 8-10 weeks. I wanted not to have to inject. Now those bastards are forceing me to go over to the darkside and start pinning. What will this lead to.

    I am just so furious at this moment. Those SOB pharm companies. I was pissed at the oil companies. Now theses bastards are on my list!!!

    I'm going to take a shower and cool down. Forgive me
    All my life I've never stopped to worry 'bout a thing,
    Open up and shout it out, an' never try to sing,
    Wondering if I've done it wrong,
    Will this depression last for long, wont you tell me,
    Where have all the good times gone.

  27. Hey B if your rx coverage is anything like mine then sometimes they will only cover so much of a product a year. And some falls into a category that is a % and not a set co-pay.

    And if you knew that and that isn't the problem you can do what I did. tell the doc your situation and get them to give you free samples.

  28. Sorry man. It sucks that our country treats medical care like any other commodity rather than a human right like all the other developed nations in the world.
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    'preciate it guys...thanks!

    I cleaned up my post.

    It will all work out.
    All my life I've never stopped to worry 'bout a thing,
    Open up and shout it out, an' never try to sing,
    Wondering if I've done it wrong,
    Will this depression last for long, wont you tell me,
    Where have all the good times gone.

  30. You haven't gotten to the part where they say it's not on their formulary so they won't pay anything at all.

    It's either too new or they want you on a cheaper (read less effective) Rx.

    It's all about profit man..they don't care aboput your health ..only your wallet.
    Last edited by yeahright; 07-22-2006 at 05:39 PM.
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