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    Quote Originally Posted by SJA
    I have to publicly appologize to you both.
    Well...we're waiting

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    Still waiting on follow-up bloodwork return from my Dr....should/could be today.
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    ... I'm waiting for tha other follow-up.
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    I was hoping to have something to update with, but I don't at this time. My Dr's office called Friday (last) to tell me to call on Monday (last) to schedule an appointment to review my labs. This meant, to me, she wanted to discuss how to proceed with a dosage increase. Otherwise she would not have wanted me in at all. Well I called on Monday to find that she is on vacation this whole week. I have an appointment for this coming Tuesday

    On a side note. I think I have a crush on my Dr. I think about her all the time. I can hardly wait to see her again. She is the only one who really listens to me. She is cute, smart, funny...ohhh wait. Did I just say that outloud.

    Anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150
    Well...we're waiting
    ... I'm waiting for tha other follow-up.

    Sorry......bltches

    Maybe you got my HM??? I didn't receive a response....I even put my new cell on my old cell greeting......bltches.....

    As far as your Doc goes.....WTF??? You need to turn her on to people with higher test values......
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJA
    Sorry......bltches

    Maybe you got my HM??? I didn't receive a response....I even put my new cell on my old cell greeting......bltches.....

    As far as your Doc goes.....WTF??? You need to turn her on to people with higher test values......
    I went as far as putting it on my speed dial. Then I got caught in a speed trap. I'll wake your ass up tomorrow at the crack of dawn (6:00AM AZ time) and then you'll be putting me on your blocked list.

    Been real busy trying to get my house sold, scouting a new house in a community 100miles round trip from my current home and trying to keep two females happy...and daydreaming about my MD

    Look for a wake up call in the AM (no punn)
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    I'll wake your ass up tomorrow at the crack of dawn (6:00AM AZ time)
    Whateverrrrrrrrr
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    Here is a summary of blood work results in sequence:

    First Bloodwork
    LH (0.8-7.6): 17.5
    Total Test (250-1100): 454
    % Free Test (1.1-2.8): 0.81
    Free Test (35.0-155.0): 36.7

    Second Bloodwork
    LH (0.8-7.6): 20.1
    Total Test (250-1100): 497
    % Free Test (1.1-2.8): 0.80
    Free Test (35.0-155.0): 39.8

    28 days of 5g of AndroGel:
    LH (0.8-7.6): 5.7
    Total Test (250-1100): 643
    % Free Test (1.1-2.8): 0.97
    Free Test (35.0-155.0): 62.2

    Estrodiol (<57): 22

    Well, we are making excellent progress.

    She bumped me to 7.5g/day of AndroGel. The thing is I am 20 days past that 28 day blood draw. I am frustrated that this is taking the pace it is. At least it is taking place. I am pretty sure that I will settle at 10g/day but it is taking it's time getting here. I have an standing request for bloodwork at the lab. I told her I was not going to wait another 30 days to see where we are at 7.5g/d. So I will be dosing at 7.5 and getting a blood draw after two weeks.
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    On a side note. I have discontinued the SNRI Effexor. The benefit to cost ratio was low. It had raised liver values (more that an oral steroid...go figure), cholesterol values and blood pressure. Not to mention headaches, dizziness, constipation, cotton mouth.

    There were the benefits that I enjoyed such as increased patience and tolerance to situations and circumstances that I usually do not handle very well. Delayed ejaculation had quite a positive effect on this male's ego.

    Please beware coming off of SSRI's/SNRI's, and especially Effexor, has some serious withdrawl symptoms. Not very nice at all.
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    Dropping the dose down while slowly lengthening the dose times helps. Cold turkey can cause some quite severe reactions.
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    Hey B, did I reply to your thread? I thought I did but...Damn, I think i'm losing my mind.
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    Oh, I know that, silly. I tapered down over three weeks. I am now 1 week off with only mild symptoms.

    Yes you did, but I wanted THAT to remain off the record. No harm...just wanted it that way.
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    Understood I just didn't want you to think I was ignoring you. And I figured you were smart enough but that was directed more to those who were reading than you


    Gonna be sending you a PM
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    OK, OK, and OK.
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    Excellent progress on the lab values.
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    I am furious at this moment and I need to vent.

    My first issue is with my insurance company.

    I pay $150 every two weeks for major medical and prescription for an annual premium total of $3900.

    My doctor co-pays are $30. My bloodwork co-pays are $30. My hospitalization co-pay is $150. I pay 10% or they pay 90% of the bill.

    My hernia surgery:

    The hospital bill was $8500. I payed $150 co-pay and 10% of the balance of $8350 for a total of $985.

    The doctor office visit/consult was $335 and surgery bill was $2050 for a total of $2385 at a cost of 10% for an out of pocket cost of $238.

    The anesthetician was $840 at a cost of 10% for an out of pocket cost of $84

    $985 hospital
    $238 doctor
    $84 anesth
    $1307 total

    Remember that $3900 annual premium too. Sure I guess it sure would have been a lot more without the coverage.

    My prescription plan:

    I found out today that I have an annual prescription limit of $1000. Well guess what I have exceeded it already. Well this blows when you consider that Ambien is $140 and AmbienCR is $150 not to mention that I was on Effexor for several months. I have had one or two fills of the Ambien and several of the Ambien CR. So that would explain my reaching the anual limit. What would I do if I could not live witout those. AmbienCR at $150 x 12 months is $1800 alone. That blows the whole $1000 annual limit by itself.

    I went to get my AndroGel prescription refill. I had previously been on 5g/day using the packets. Using the packets at that dose a box full would last me 30 days with a co-pay of $30. Well last month I got a free sample month of the pump. I could not stand to open those foil packets. I got two bottles for a 30 day supply of 5g/day. Well my doctor upped my dose. I went in to get my refills at 7.5g/d. Well at that dose a box of two pumps will only last 20 days. So that means that at 10g/day I would need two boxs a months.

    Being as that my prescription coverage limit of $1000 upon this refill my co-pay was $88. I guess there must have been $58 dollars over my limit becuase my I have a co-pay of $30.

    So I now have a $88 dollar bill for 20 days of AndroGel and a $140 bill for Ambien. So I figure I could live without the Ambien. But I need the AndroGel because I am surely suppressed at this point and quiting cold turkey would leave me worse off than I was.

    So I get my refill of AndroGel but then it dawns on me that I will need this for...ever and my prescript coverage limit is expired. So I ask the pharmacist what the out of pocket cost on the box I just bought would be if I bought it outright. $250 dollars. Un-believable. In the two bottles combined there is a total of 1.5g of testosterone. 1.5 grams. I mean it comes in a very cool metered pump bottle. It is a foil pouch liner with a metered pump attached enclosed in a plastic bottle. $250!!! for two bottles of 1.5 grams worth of testosterone. If I went to 10g/d I would need four bottles. Even if my prescription limit balance was zero I would run out in two month...without the Ambien. Do you know how much a gram of testosterone is at 100g bulk price??? What about kilos, or mega kilos???? Those sons-of-*****es!!!

    UUUUHHHGGGGG!!!!! Sorry, I had to get that out of my system.

    Well suffice is to say that it looks like I am going to have to find an alternative. 10ml of prop at 200mg/ml is $76 out of pocket. Even at 200mg/week or 100mg/E3D that would last 8-10 weeks. Once my annual prescription balance is reinstated that would be $30 for 8-10 weeks. I wanted not to have to inject. Now those bastards are forceing me to go over to the darkside and start pinning. What will this lead to.

    I am just so furious at this moment. Those SOB pharm companies. I was pissed at the oil companies. Now theses bastards are on my list!!!

    I'm going to take a shower and cool down. Forgive me
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    Hey B if your rx coverage is anything like mine then sometimes they will only cover so much of a product a year. And some falls into a category that is a % and not a set co-pay.

    And if you knew that and that isn't the problem you can do what I did. tell the doc your situation and get them to give you free samples.
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    Sorry man. It sucks that our country treats medical care like any other commodity rather than a human right like all the other developed nations in the world.
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    'preciate it guys...thanks!

    I cleaned up my post.

    It will all work out.
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    You haven't gotten to the part where they say it's not on their formulary so they won't pay anything at all.

    It's either too new or they want you on a cheaper (read less effective) Rx.

    It's all about profit man..they don't care aboput your health ..only your wallet.
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    Nice to see you acting out again.....LOL. What would a B thread B without the rant

    Looks like progress is coming......BTW....you and I both know where this will lead....mUUUUHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA AA
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    Oh...I am devising startegies as we speak
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    B - you ain't hollaed at me??
    What's up?
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    I keep missing your time zone. Too many different boards, e-mails, etc and I get to loosing track of myself and time. Not to mention all the banning that has to be done around here.

    What is your daytime schedule look like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150
    Oh...I am devising startegies as we speak

    I had no doubt.....LMFAO. We'll talk soon Brother.

    Give Jordy my new number please....I miss that kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJA
    I had no doubt.....LMFAO. We'll talk soon Brother.

    Give Jordy my new number please....I miss that kid.
    Thanks for the call. Good to hear your voice.

    You ever see the sit-com 'Two and a half men'? I thought of it when you mentioned the kid. Now, of course I would prefer to be Charlie (Sheen)...but I'm guessing we both share attributes of both Charlie and Alan (Jon Cryer). Boy, what a life. You, me, Jordan a house on the beach, a maid, .... oh...wake-up!!!

    I am becoming frustrated with the amount of discussion on this new HRT forum. I have made a personal request to a very experienced board member that he share his experience. No reply or participation. I have made an inquiry with a very board and industry reputable Dr. to share his professional experince and also offered a leadership role. No reply either way.

    I really enjoyed our discussion this morning. I know you are very busy at this time, but when things slow down for you I would really enjoy sharing more board time with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150
    Thanks for the call. Good to hear your voice.

    You ever see the sit-com 'Two and a half men'? I thought of it when you mentioned the kid. Now, of course I would prefer to be Charlie (Sheen)...but I'm guessing we both share attributes of both Charlie and Alan (Jon Cryer). Boy, what a life. You, me, Jordan a house on the beach, a maid, .... oh...wake-up!!!

    I am becoming frustrated with the amount of discussion on this new HRT forum. I have made a personal request to a very experienced board member that he share his experience. No reply or participation. I have made an inquiry with a very board and industry reputable Dr. to share his professional experince and also offered a leadership role. No reply either way.

    I really enjoyed our discussion this morning. I know you are very busy at this time, but when things slow down for you I would really enjoy sharing more board time with you.

    Sounds good to me. I could use tha extra hamstring training.

    I bet with wheeling those wheelchairs around all day uphill I could put on an additional 1"-1.5" on my hammys in no time...

    AND if that don't work, I'll hook ya both up like a sled and haul ass up and down tha boardwalk. Just make sure to bring your
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    Oh and BY THE WAY, last time I checked Alan's son got nothin' on me...




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    Snap...

    Lean and mean my boy
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150
    I am becoming frustrated with the amount of discussion on this new HRT forum. I have made a personal request to a very experienced board member that he share his experience. No reply or participation. I have made an inquiry with a very board and industry reputable Dr. to share his professional experince and also offered a leadership role. No reply either way.

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    Hey B5150 Don't be discouraged or frustrated.

    Maybe just maybe lack of response is due to the good ole boys at the DEA.

    I recently talked to a doctor friend who just got "Board Certified" in HRT I asked him to join AM and help on this forum. Here is his reply:

    I got your message and I think it's pertaining to this. One thing they told us at A4M was NEVER EVER to affiliate with any groups which appear to have physique enhancement even as a PART of their agenda. The DEA is watching everyone prescribing test/growth,etc;and I'm not going to do
    anything which could get me even investigated. I'm sure you understand.

    It's the nickname for American Academy of Anti Aging Medicine---4 A's and
    an M......

    I don't blame himfor pretecting himself as he has alot to lose.

    It's not fair...(the first thing I learned about life) I walk around in a water park here in Fla. and hear the whispers "steriods" They don't whisper "3 days a week in the gym for years" ...

    I tell ya B, if I die tomm. from hemrhoids, or a ingrown hair..it will be blamed on steriods. (go figure)

    Sorry about the rant...it's probably my med's.
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    AGELESS,

    In light of what you share, I do understand. Sadly, there are too few knowledgeable people to discuss these things with. Thanks for stopping bye. I really do appreciate what you can share. Thanks again
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    FYI, I paged Androgenic much like I put a bug in Dozier's ear...
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    Holy crap Toad.....you are getting HYOOOOGE!!! What's in your Wheaties???
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJA
    Holy crap Toad.....you are getting HYOOOOGE!!! What's in your Wheaties???
    Now that's an idea, me on tha cover of Wheaties someday.

    Limited Edition Wheaties™:

    Now with Overcome™ and Never Give Up™ Soy Crisps

    ... Yeah, I like that.


    Honestly, I've just got smarter with my body. Every year I've made little adjustments that have made big net differences over time. Of course you can't have all good with out tha bad, and one of life's little ironic twists came in tha form of actually getting so lean that I've spotted a small hernia that was hidden previously by mangina fat. ... Go figure.

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    Toad has now joined the hernia club. Like fathers like son.
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    Geebus dude, it's been like 10 days now...

    This thing needs an update.
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    Nothing new to share right now. I have been keeping my training log, which has been met with with underwhelming response. I got my blood draw last week. We will see what the results are when I go to my appointment of Tuesday. My one concern is estradiol levels with the increased dose. I am also going to request IGF-1 while I am there this time.

    I am going to have to get a script for cyp/e because my presription annual coverage limit has already been exceeded. This means all prescriptions are 100% out of pocket. AndroGel, at the 7.5g/d dose, is a 20 day supply. The cost is $230 out of pocket. If I have to bump to 10g/d that would require 2 boxes for a 30 days supply for a total of $460 out of pocket expense. Not going to happen. I looked into test depot (cyp/e) at my pharmacy and it is <$80 for 10cc/200mg. I would likely need a max dose of 100mg/w. So that would be 20 weeks worth for $80. A lot more reasonable.
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    My God B!!!! I just ate two pop tarts I need intervention.

    Oh yeah, Toad you have a freaky odd physique. Those traps look like they came off some kind of human-gorilla genome experiment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150
    Nothing new to share right now. I have been keeping my training log, which has been met with with underwhelming response.
    You mean you actually have friends other than me?

    ... I must of missed that one.

    Oh yeah, Toad you have a freaky odd physique. Those traps look like they came off some kind of human-gorilla genome experiment.
    ...and I'm sure everything will get even more 'freaky odder' over time. Certain muscle groups just supercompensated for tha lack of function in others. Overall I'm pleased that I've done a decent job (IMO) at balancing out what I can. Traps I'm just blessed with, much like my ability to walk. My left is noticably bigger and there has to be some transference from my right as I can't shrug that left side. Even still, I don't do any shrug work because of that.
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    jesus. blessed is an understatement.
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