Water weight when staring trt

[JoePaul39]

So I started trt 2 weeks ago. I have had two shots (one per week thus far). I am currently on a cutting diet of about 2400 calories a day that I initiated the same day I started trt. I weighed myself after 1 week and my weight has remained the same despite the decreased calories. I suspect it might be due to water weight retention associated with the trt. My question is how much water weight gain is typical during the first few weeks of trt? I am beginning to think I should have waited awhile to start my cut as it is disheartening when you follow your diet protocol, but don’t lose anything upon the weekly weighing, thus making it hard to gage progress.

 

[Renodaret]

So I started trt 2 weeks ago. I have had two shots (one per week thus far). I am currently on a cutting diet of about 2400 calories a day that I initiated the same day I started trt. I weighed myself after 1 week and my weight has remained the same despite the decreased calories. I suspect it might be due to water weight retention associated with the trt. My question is how much water weight gain is typical during the first few weeks of trt? I am beginning to think I should have waited awhile to start my cut as it is disheartening when you follow your diet protocol, but don’t lose anything upon the weekly weighing, thus making it hard to gage progress.

After starting 500mg of test per week I gained like 9 lbs

 

[JoePaul39]

After starting 500mg of test per week I gained like 9 lbs

500 mg isn’t a trt dose. That is a mild cycle dose so I doubt it would do that to me. My doctor is only prescribing enough test to try to get me into the upper normal level of 800 to 950 total test. Not sure how many mg he is actually giving as I don’t want to ask and come off like I am obsessed with maximum test levels and make the doctor suspicious.

 

[Renodaret]

500 mg isn’t a trt dose. That is a mild cycle dose so I doubt it would do that to me. My doctor is only prescribing enough test to try to get me into the upper normal level of 800 to 950 total test. Not sure how many mg he is actually giving as I don’t want to ask and come off like I am obsessed with maximum test levels and make the doctor suspicious.

Damn are they really that strict? You should at least know what he's putting in you

 

[JoePaul39]

Damn are they really that strict? You should at least know what he's putting in you

No I don’t think they are that strict. I am probably just too conservative and paranoid. You are right. Next Thursday when I go for my next shot I will ask the nurse how many milligrams I am getting. I just wouldn’t think if it is a dose just to get me to around 900 it should cause too much water retention, but who knows.

 

[Renodaret]

No I don’t think they are that strict. I am probably just too conservative and paranoid. You are right. Next Thursday when I go for my next shot I will ask the nurse how many milligrams I am getting. I just wouldn’t think if it is a dose just to get me to around 900 it should cause too much water retention, but who knows.

It's funny because me and a friend started at the same time and his weight didn't shoot up. It's all about how your body aromitizes the test. I took a AI and it cleared it right up. Adex eod

 

[sammpedd88]

Starting adex would prob be a good idea if you’re having high E2 symptoms. Getting labs first would be ideal, but if you decide to take adex start with .25 mgs a week the day after your test shot and go from there.

 

[Kratom267]

Im in the same situation, my doc wont prescribe me arimadex until after my first 6 week labwork is done...Im about to start week 4 of TRT (100mg Test C per week) and so far Ive gained 6-7lbs! Havent change my diet and sadly havent been hitting the gym much either. Though my muscles look much fuller since starting TRT! No complaints here haha. Im guessing its mostly glycogen storage since my body is in anabolic mode, but Im also having some mild estrogen sides like nipple sensitivity and burning especially the first couple days after an injection.
I have some anastrozole from MAresearch, but worried that if I run it, by the time I do labwork my estrogen levels will come back in range or low, so he wont think prescribing me Arimadex is necessary. I do have some Nolva as well as BLR's "Rebirth", but worried that the Nolva will also jack up my Testosterone levels (as well as mess with my estrogen levels) so he will want to LOWER my Testosterone prescription!
Wish he would have just given me the Arimadex from the first injection, and only take "as needed", though I understand why he wants to wait till after labs to see how my body reacts to the Test C.

 

[JoePaul39]

Im in the same situation, my doc wont prescribe me arimadex until after my first 6 week labwork is done...Im about to start week 4 of TRT (100mg Test C per week) and so far Ive gained 6-7lbs! Havent change my diet and sadly havent been hitting the gym much either. Though my muscles look much fuller since starting TRT! No complaints here haha. Im guessing its mostly glycogen storage since my body is in anabolic mode, but Im also having some mild estrogen sides like nipple sensitivity and burning especially the first couple days after an injection.
I have some anastrozole from MAresearch, but worried that if I run it, by the time I do labwork my estrogen levels will come back in range or low, so he wont think prescribing me Arimadex is necessary. I do have some Nolva as well as BLR's "Rebirth", but worried that the Nolva will also jack up my Testosterone levels (as well as mess with my estrogen levels) so he will want to LOWER my Testosterone prescription!
Wish he would have just given me the Arimadex from the first injection, and only take "as needed", though I understand why he wants to wait till after labs to see how my body reacts to the Test C.

In the same boat. Doctor won’t prescribe ai until after first bloodwork, but I am not having any symptoms. Even if my e2 reading come back low I am going to request he still prescribe me an ai to have on hand just in case for my peace of mind.
That way I will have one if I need one for
My Ostarine cycle without having to
Buy a research chemical ai.

 

[Kratom267]

In the same boat. Doctor won’t prescribe ai until after first bloodwork, but I am not having any symptoms. Even if my e2 reading come back low I am going to request he still prescribe me an ai to have on hand just in case for my peace of mind.
That way I will have one if I need one for
My Ostarine cycle without having to
Buy a research chemical ai.

Yeah sounds like a good plan. Ive been getting my TRT from a clinic, and as bad as it sounds, the doc just seems to prescribe Test extremely easily haha. During my first appointment we talked for a good hour about all things TRT but he was originally wanting to start me on either Clomid or HCG only, not test...Towards the end of the conversation I said that Id like to do Test and see how things go...He said, "Cool man, youll love it!" and gave me an injection haha! He started me out with a 220mg shot, calling it a "booster shot" and when I got my prescription a week later it was for the usual 100mg Test per week...Not sure if it was a placebo effect or not, but after the first 220mg injection I was flying!
My estrogen before I started TRT was pretty low, at 11.2, so Im sure the initial injection raised my estrogen pretty high! Will be interesting to see what my test level and estrogen is at during the first labs.

Cant wait till I get the labwork outta the way, I'm throwing around the idea of doing 8mg LGD and 16mg DMZ together. Thinking that running em both at a fairly low dosage together would be amazing with 100mg Test! Love the idea that I wont have to mess around with a PCT afterwards too! Though im sure that cycle will mess with my cholesterol and various other hormone levels...

 

[Kratom267]

By the way, have you noticed any swelling in your ankles or wrists? If so, that definitely estrogen.

Also, just an idea but you might want to talk to your doc about doing twice weekly injections...I know you said that you hate needles, etc, but Ive read many times that doing your usual Test dosage but with 2x per week is ideal. It keeps things a bit more level and mimics what your natural testosterone and estrogen levels did. Many guys have been able to stop taking arimadex on TRT once they switched to twice per week injections. Most of them also switched to doing Sub Q injections, which I will be looking in too as well, since you use a smaller needle and would be able to do the injections myself (as well as saving your ass). Injecting IM once or twice per week will tear your muscle up over time...

Hopefully, if needed, ill get some Arimadex and do the usual .25mg twice per week...Looks like most guys will dose it the day of your Test injection OR the day after and then again 3 days later when the Test is fully kicked in. I think Test is at its peak around 40hrs after injections...Though it might be sooner for some dudes, around 24hrs.

 

[JoePaul39]

Yeah sounds like a good plan. Ive been getting my TRT from a clinic, and as bad as it sounds, the doc just seems to prescribe Test extremely easily haha. During my first appointment we talked for a good hour about all things TRT but he was originally wanting to start me on either Clomid or HCG only, not test...Towards the end of the conversation I said that Id like to do Test and see how things go...He said, "Cool man, youll love it!" and gave me an injection haha! He started me out with a 220mg shot, calling it a "booster shot" and when I got my prescription a week later it was for the usual 100mg Test per week...Not sure if it was a placebo effect or not, but after the first 220mg injection I was flying!
My estrogen before I started TRT was pretty low, at 11.2, so Im sure the initial injection raised my estrogen pretty high! Will be interesting to see what my test level and estrogen is at during the first labs.

Cant wait till I get the labwork outta the way, I'm throwing around the idea of doing 8mg LGD and 16mg DMZ together. Thinking that running em both at a fairly low dosage together would be amazing with 100mg Test! Love the idea that I wont have to mess around with a PCT afterwards too! Though im sure that cycle will mess with my cholesterol and various other hormone levels...

Yes my doctor is pretty loose prescribing test. My total t was in the 400s, but I was still
able to get the trt and at 150 mg a week! What was your total t at preatreatment? If I am going to be gone for 2 weeks he gives me
225 mg! I wouldn’t be surprised if I came right out and told him my plan to run sarms and that I would like an ai for it he would accomodate, but I don’t want to push my luck or have that recorded in the medical permanent record. My nurse did ask me if I had ever used test before they started me, did yours? I agree, awesome don’t hav e to run pct and don’t get shut down when running sarms, thus making the cycles more effective than for someone who is not on trt. Also, since you don’t run pct you don’t have
To wait as long between cycles! I was thinking of getting some s23 for a cut since that is the most powerful sarm, but it is expensive and some users have had liver problems while on cycle so i don’t thin I want to go that route.

 

[JoePaul39]

Yeah sounds like a good plan. Ive been getting my TRT from a clinic, and as bad as it sounds, the doc just seems to prescribe Test extremely easily haha. During my first appointment we talked for a good hour about all things TRT but he was originally wanting to start me on either Clomid or HCG only, not test...Towards the end of the conversation I said that Id like to do Test and see how things go...He said, "Cool man, youll love it!" and gave me an injection haha! He started me out with a 220mg shot, calling it a "booster shot" and when I got my prescription a week later it was for the usual 100mg Test per week...Not sure if it was a placebo effect or not, but after the first 220mg injection I was flying!
My estrogen before I started TRT was pretty low, at 11.2, so Im sure the initial injection raised my estrogen pretty high! Will be interesting to see what my test level and estrogen is at during the first labs.

Cant wait till I get the labwork outta the way, I'm throwing around the idea of doing 8mg LGD and 16mg DMZ together. Thinking that running em both at a fairly low dosage together would be amazing with 100mg Test! Love the idea that I wont have to mess around with a PCT afterwards too! Though im sure that cycle will mess with my cholesterol and various other hormone levels...

Be sure to have tudca and nac on on hand for liver support with that DMZ.

 

[JoePaul39]

By the way, have you noticed any swelling in your ankles or wrists? If so, that definitely estrogen.

Also, just an idea but you might want to talk to your doc about doing twice weekly injections...I know you said that you hate needles, etc, but Ive read many times that doing your usual Test dosage but with 2x per week is ideal. It keeps things a bit more level and mimics what your natural testosterone and estrogen levels did. Many guys have been able to stop taking arimadex on TRT once they switched to twice per week injections. Most of them also switched to doing Sub Q injections, which I will be looking in too as well, since you use a smaller needle and would be able to do the injections myself (as well as saving your ass). Injecting IM once or twice per week will tear your muscle up over time...

Hopefully, if needed, ill get some Arimadex and do the usual .25mg twice per week...Looks like most guys will dose it the day of your Test injection OR the day after and then again 3 days later when the Test is fully kicked in. I think Test is at its peak around 40hrs after injections...Though it might be sooner for some dudes, around 24hrs.

No swelling or itchy puffy nipples so I doubt I have high estrogen, but only the test will tell. Twice a week injections isn’t an option for me because I go to the office for the shots and I go out of town frequently.

 

[Kratom267]

Yes my doctor is pretty loose prescribing test. My total t was in the 400s, but I was still
able to get the trt and at 150 mg a week! What was your total t at preatreatment? If I am going to be gone for 2 weeks he gives me
225 mg! I wouldn’t be surprised if I came right out and told him my plan to run sarms and that I would like an ai for it he would accomodate, but I don’t want to push my luck or have that recorded in the medical permanent record. My nurse did ask me if I had ever used test before they started me, did yours? I agree, awesome don’t hav e to run pct and don’t get shut down when running sarms, thus making the cycles more effective than for someone who is not on trt. Also, since you don’t run pct you don’t have
To wait as long between cycles! I was thinking of getting some s23 for a cut since that is the most powerful sarm, but it is expensive and some users have had liver problems while on cycle so i don’t thin I want to go that route.

I was at 350 test for one lab then two weeks later I was at 450...I also got it tested later in the day around 3pm and it was at 200! Though that's to be expected I guess...My main reasoning for getting on TRT was that ive felt like complete garbage for the past 5yrs, no energy at all regardless of how long I slept, etc. And the past year or so my libido was at zero! I told the doc about my wedding night...we got home, freshly married, and I sat on the couch and turned on the damn TV!!! My wife will never let me live that down haha. Ive had bad depression for most of my adult life, with some super fun anxiety...But the past year or so, the social anxiety has effected my friendships and ability to work, though I do hold down a job...barely. So it was time to look in to TRT...
My doc said, "while 450 test might be fine for some guys, it might be a horrible way to live for others...The ranges they have for labwork doesnt mean ****!" So true.

I was thinking that I might still do a PCT of sorts, even with TRT, I was thinking that after the DMZ/LGD cycle Id probably still feel a little crappy since it might effect LH and/or DHT levels a bit. So I might run some Kings Blood, Dermacrine, and some Lexogenin...might help make the transition from the cycle, as well as help to keep as much of the gains as possible. Though its not necessary of course...

Id stay away from anything that has liver side effects, man. And yeah ill be running Cycle Assist and TUDCA as well....I stocked up on tons of supps before I got my pre-TRT labwork done, I was planning to do a DMZ cycle at the time. But after posting my labwork on here, everyone said not to do a cycle or risk ****ing up my HPTA worse than it already is.

Strangely enough, I have osteopenia...Doctors and specialist could never figure out the cause no matter what test they ran on me. But after some self research I found that low testosterone and low estrogen might be the actual cause! I knew about the low test part, but not the low estrogen...Mine was at 11 pre-TRT, and has been that low for years. May or may not be the cause. Talked to a couple guys on here, and they also had osteopenia/osteoporosis, but after one year on TRT it improved greatly! So im hoping the Test. might help...

 

[Kratom267]

No swelling or itchy puffy nipples so I doubt I have high estrogen, but only the test will tell. Twice a week injections isn’t an option for me because I go to the office for the shots and I go out of town frequently.

Man id either talk your doc in to letting you self inject (even if you dont do 2x per week) or find a new doctor or look up your closest "Male" clinic...Going to the office every week for the rest of your life will get old fast...

 

[Kratom267]

No swelling or itchy puffy nipples so I doubt I have high estrogen, but only the test will tell. Twice a week injections isn’t an option for me because I go to the office for the shots and I go out of town frequently.

Damn that good man, but no matter what Im sure your estrogen has raised some, but good your not having any bad effects.
Im not real worried about my estrogen sides, but thinking I might start running BLR's "Rebirth" for now...I know its just herbal supplements but it might help keep any estrogen away from my chest.

 

[Kratom267]

JoePaul39 how old are you btw? Im about to be 34.

I had really high test levels when I was around 21 but I guess they dropped fast...And im sure running a few PH's didnt help any, even though I always ran proper PCT. Pretty sure my last cycle messed me up, it was Trenavar/Trenazone/Hdrol/Stanodrol, hahaha. That was a good 6yrs ago though, probably never recovered even though I did Clomid/Nolva and a bunch of test boosters...

 

[JoePaul39]

I was at 350 test for one lab then two weeks later I was at 450...I also got it tested later in the day around 3pm and it was at 200! Though that's to be expected I guess...My main reasoning for getting on TRT was that ive felt like complete garbage for the past 5yrs, no energy at all regardless of how long I slept, etc. And the past year or so my libido was at zero! I told the doc about my wedding night...we got home, freshly married, and I sat on the couch and turned on the damn TV!!! My wife will never let me live that down haha. Ive had bad depression for most of my adult life, with some super fun anxiety...But the past year or so, the social anxiety has effected my friendships and ability to work, though I do hold down a job...barely. So it was time to look in to TRT...
My doc said, "while 450 test might be fine for some guys, it might be a horrible way to live for others...The ranges they have for labwork doesnt mean ****!" So true.

I was thinking that I might still do a PCT of sorts, even with TRT, I was thinking that after the DMZ/LGD cycle Id probably still feel a little crappy since it might effect LH and/or DHT levels a bit. So I might run some Kings Blood, Dermacrine, and some Lexogenin...might help make the transition from the cycle, as well as help to keep as much of the gains as possible. Though its not necessary of course...

Id stay away from anything that has liver side effects, man. And yeah ill be running Cycle Assist and TUDCA as well....I stocked up on tons of supps before I got my pre-TRT labwork done, I was planning to do a DMZ cycle at the time. But after posting my labwork on here, everyone said not to do a cycle or risk ****ing up my HPTA worse than it already is.

Strangely enough, I have osteopenia...Doctors and specialist could never figure out the cause no matter what test they ran on me. But after some self research I found that low testosterone and low estrogen might be the actual cause! I knew about the low test part, but not the low estrogen...Mine was at 11 pre-TRT, and has been that low for years. May or may not be the cause. Talked to a couple guys on here, and they also had osteopenia/osteoporosis, but after one year on TRT it improved greatly! So im hoping the Test. might help...

I run SNS X Gels for pct. Ya, I am not touching the S23 due to liver impact. I have
Social Anxiety as well, but since college medicine has helped me greatly so I know longer usually avoid social gatherings. I take Klonopin as needed for it and Setraline. I also had to have an obscure surgery on which the doctors clipped the nerves that activate
sweating to my face and hands because I would get so nervous that I would
Sweat profusely In certain social situations that only exacerbated the anxiety further. The surgery was like a miracle for me and greatly reduced the anxiety even more
than the meds. I would think trt my help your social anxiety because it will give you confidence and aggression. Why are you going to do a low dose DMZ since it is methylated?

 

[JoePaul39]

JoePaul39 how old are you btw? Im about to be 34.

I had really high test levels when I was around 21 but I guess they dropped fast...And im sure running a few PH's didnt help any, even though I always ran proper PCT. Pretty sure my last cycle messed me up, it was Trenavar/Trenazone/Hdrol/Stanodrol, hahaha. That was a good 6yrs ago though, probably never recovered even though I did Clomid/Nolva and a bunch of test boosters...

I’m 40.

 

[Kratom267]

I run SNS X Gels for pct. Ya, I am not touching the S23 due to liver impact. I have
Social Anxiety as well, but since college medicine has helped me greatly so I know longer usually avoid social gatherings. I take Klonopin as needed for it and Setraline. I also had to have an obscure surgery on which the doctors clipped the nerves that activate
sweating to my face and hands because I would get so nervous that I would
Sweat profusely In certain social situations that only exacerbated the anxiety further. The surgery was like a miracle for me and greatly reduced the anxiety even more
than the meds. I would think trt my help your social anxiety because it will give you confidence and aggression. Why are you going to do a low dose DMZ since it is methylated?

Damn I took Klonapin for 8yrs and when I tried to stop I had a seizure and felt like death all the time...no joke, I was on the ground for hours at a time wishing for either life or death at random! Id go very easy on the clonazepam if I were you man...honestly, benzos are terrible terrible, though I know how much they seem to help. If you ever want to get off em, hit me up, after 3 attempts to taper off them me and my doc finally figured out the best and easiest way. I switched over immediately to a drug called Librium, its also a benzo but the half life is much longer compared to klonapin, so its the best drug to help you taper with. Look in to it man. Seriously, Klonapin and benzos in general have ruined lives! I stopped mine about 3yrs ago and im still not the same, my brain is running at about 70%. Actually last time I got a script for klonapin, the doctor had me sign a waiver, it said that it causes major neurological damage....I can definitely attest to that. My wife was calling me "shaky mcshakerson" for a year after I stopped them, I could barely hold a fork steady to eat! Even if you only take 'em every other day, etc...it messes with your nerves, frontal lobe, gaba, etc.

(Forest Gump voice) "And that's all I have to say about that..."


For the low dosed DMZ, after talking to M.A., he said that 16mg is plenty and will still yield great gains...Im not a big guy at all, and I react to PH's/AAS extremely well, so hopefully the 16mg will do some magic. I gained close to 18lbs on my first cycle (Hdrol), at only 50mg! Granted, it wasn't only muscle, but the majority was. Only lost a few pounds during PCT as well. But...I may end up doing 32mg DMZ, ill have to see how the sides go. My main concern is prostate. Pre TRT labs put me at 1.0 PSA, but Ive noticed over the past 6 months or so, that Im not peeing as well as before...a bit hesitant to start, slightly weaker stream, etc. Ive even had some strange 'pressure' feeling around my pubic area, when I dont feel like ive emptied my bladder completely. Very strange since PSA is decent, and ive gotten the ol' finger up the ass recently too. All good there. Thinking it maybe some sort of infection going on in my bladder or something...So, Id rather run the DMZ as low as I can to keep the prostate happy.

 

[JoePaul39]

Damn I took Klonapin for 8yrs and when I tried to stop I had a seizure and felt like death all the time...no joke, I was on the ground for hours at a time wishing for either life or death at random! Id go very easy on the clonazepam if I were you man...honestly, benzos are terrible terrible, though I know how much they seem to help. If you ever want to get off em, hit me up, after 3 attempts to taper off them me and my doc finally figured out the best and easiest way. I switched over immediately to a drug called Librium, its also a benzo but the half life is much longer compared to klonapin, so its the best drug to help you taper with. Look in to it man. Seriously, Klonapin and benzos in general have ruined lives! I stopped mine about 3yrs ago and im still not the same, my brain is running at about 70%. Actually last time I got a script for klonapin, the doctor had me sign a waiver, it said that it causes major neurological damage....I can definitely attest to that. My wife was calling me "shaky mcshakerson" for a year after I stopped them, I could barely hold a fork steady to eat! Even if you only take 'em every other day, etc...it messes with your nerves, frontal lobe, gaba, etc.

(Forest Gump voice) "And that's all I have to say about that..."


For the low dosed DMZ, after talking to M.A., he said that 16mg is plenty and will still yield great gains...Im not a big guy at all, and I react to PH's/AAS extremely well, so hopefully the 16mg will do some magic. I gained close to 18lbs on my first cycle (Hdrol), at only 50mg! Granted, it wasn't only muscle, but the majority was. Only lost a few pounds during PCT as well. But...I may end up doing 32mg DMZ, ill have to see how the sides go. My main concern is prostate. Pre TRT labs put me at 1.0 PSA, but Ive noticed over the past 6 months or so, that Im not peeing as well as before...a bit hesitant to start, slightly weaker stream, etc. Ive even had some strange 'pressure' feeling around my pubic area, when I dont feel like ive emptied my bladder completely. Very strange since PSA is decent, and ive gotten the ol' finger up the ass recently too. All good there. Thinking it maybe some sort of infection going on in my bladder or something...So, Id rather run the DMZ as low as I can to keep the prostate happy.

Honestly I only take klonopin maybe 2 times a week at the most (1 mg as needed) so it really isn’t a big deal or anything I am addicted to by any means. It’s nice knowing I have it for situations that might bring on social anxiety such as speaking in front of a hundred people or going to a party. I do not plan on getting rid of it.
Is the reason trt doctors monitor psa is for prostate cancer? Mine was under 1.

 

[thebigt]

I was at 350 test for one lab then two weeks later I was at 450...I also got it tested later in the day around 3pm and it was at 200! Though that's to be expected I guess...My main reasoning for getting on TRT was that ive felt like complete garbage for the past 5yrs, no energy at all regardless of how long I slept, etc. And the past year or so my libido was at zero! I told the doc about my wedding night...we got home, freshly married, and I sat on the couch and turned on the damn TV!!! My wife will never let me live that down haha. Ive had bad depression for most of my adult life, with some super fun anxiety...But the past year or so, the social anxiety has effected my friendships and ability to work, though I do hold down a job...barely. So it was time to look in to TRT...
My doc said, "while 450 test might be fine for some guys, it might be a horrible way to live for others...The ranges they have for labwork doesnt mean ****!" So true.

I was thinking that I might still do a PCT of sorts, even with TRT, I was thinking that after the DMZ/LGD cycle Id probably still feel a little crappy since it might effect LH and/or DHT levels a bit. So I might run some Kings Blood, Dermacrine, and some Lexogenin...might help make the transition from the cycle, as well as help to keep as much of the gains as possible. Though its not necessary of course...

Id stay away from anything that has liver side effects, man. And yeah ill be running Cycle Assist and TUDCA as well....I stocked up on tons of supps before I got my pre-TRT labwork done, I was planning to do a DMZ cycle at the time. But after posting my labwork on here, everyone said not to do a cycle or risk ****ing up my HPTA worse than it already is.

Strangely enough, I have osteopenia...Doctors and specialist could never figure out the cause no matter what test they ran on me. But after some self research I found that low testosterone and low estrogen might be the actual cause! I knew about the low test part, but not the low estrogen...Mine was at 11 pre-TRT, and has been that low for years. May or may not be the cause. Talked to a couple guys on here, and they also had osteopenia/osteoporosis, but after one year on TRT it improved greatly! So im hoping the Test. might help...

I've been on trt for over 8 years now...even though I am a rep for the company making dermacrine, I highly recommend it as a staple for anyone on trt....do some research on dhea and trt!!!

 

[Kratom267]

Honestly I only take klonopin maybe 2 times a week at the most (1 mg as needed) so it really isn’t a big deal or anything I am addicted to by any means. It’s nice knowing I have it for situations that might bring on social anxiety such as speaking in front of a hundred people or going to a party. I do not plan on getting rid of it.
Is the reason trt doctors monitor psa is for prostate cancer? Mine was under 1.

Yeah test can elevate BPH (prostate swelling/enlargement), not necessarily just cancer. Ill hopefully never go over 2.0 with TRT...I take Saw Palmetto, Pumpkin Seed Oil extract, and Stinging Nettle and Beta Sterols. All good for the prostate and help to stop the conversion from Test to DHT quite as much.

 

[thebigt]

Yeah test can elevate BPH (prostate swelling/enlargement), not necessarily just cancer. Ill hopefully never go over 2.0 with TRT...I take Saw Palmetto, Pumpkin Seed Oil extract, and Stinging Nettle and Beta Sterols. All good for the prostate and help to stop the conversion from Test to DHT quite as much.

many people argue that elevated estrogen puts prostate at more risk than elevated dht...but it doesn't hurt to cover bases with what you are using!!!

 

[JoePaul39]

Yeah test can elevate BPH (prostate swelling/enlargement), not necessarily just cancer. Ill hopefully never go over 2.0 with TRT...I take Saw Palmetto, Pumpkin Seed Oil extract, and Stinging Nettle and Beta Sterols. All good for the prostate and help to stop the conversion from Test to DHT quite as much.

I guess it would be a bad then to run epi andro if you are n trt since it converts to dht? My 70 year old father had an enlarged prostate that prevented him from being able to urinate so he had to have it removed. Now he can’t have sex because of that. Would hate to have that happen to me.

 

[thebigt]

I guess it would be a bad then to run epi andro if you are n trt since it converts to dht? My 70 year old father had an enlarged prostate that prevented him from being able to urinate so he had to have it removed. Now he can’t have sex because of that. Would hate to have that happen to me.

google 'estrogen and trt'....or 'estrogen and prostate'...

 

[Kratom267]

I guess it would be a bad then to run epi andro if you are n trt since it converts to dht? My 70 year old father had an enlarged prostate that prevented him from being able to urinate so he had to have it removed. Now he can’t have sex because of that. Would hate to have that happen to me.

Yeah man, id go buy some NOW brand Prostate Support, it has Stinging Nettle and Pumpkin said and a few other things, also buy a supp with high amount of Beta Sterols. Pretty sure the Pumpkin Seed Oil is the only one that has been proven to actually help shrink the prostate, but all the others are helpful as well.

Strange side note, a few months ago, I found an old bottle of Clomid I had stashed away...I wanted to test it out to see if it was still good, so I dosed 50mg...My balls dropped immediately as any good clomid should do but the next couple days it was really hard to pee. I mentioned this to the TRT doctor and he said that it may have boosted my test up too quickly and that swelled up my prostate. Not sure if that's true or not, but possibly. So, never taking clomid again for me! As far as the testosterone goes, so far so good. I just make sure to take my supps 2x per day. Also looking in to starting I3C/DIM, looks like its good for prostate as well. Also quercetin seems to be good for BPH.

 

[JoePaul39]

Yeah man, id go buy some NOW brand Prostate Support, it has Stinging Nettle and Pumpkin said and a few other things, also buy a supp with high amount of Beta Sterols. Pretty sure the Pumpkin Seed Oil is the only one that has been proven to actually help shrink the prostate, but all the others are helpful as well.

Strange side note, a few months ago, I found an old bottle of Clomid I had stashed away...I wanted to test it out to see if it was still good, so I dosed 50mg...My balls dropped immediately as any good clomid should do but the next couple days it was really hard to pee. I mentioned this to the TRT doctor and he said that it may have boosted my test up too quickly and that swelled up my prostate. Not sure if that's true or not, but possibly. So, never taking clomid again for me! As far as the testosterone goes, so far so good. I just make sure to take my supps 2x per day. Also looking in to starting I3C/DIM, looks like its good for prostate as well. Also quercetin seems to be good for BPH.

The Sarm s23 shrinks prostate.

 

[Kratom267]

The Sarm s23 shrinks prostate.

yeah ive heard it does, though I'm skeptical...

I also just got some anavar, fifty 50mg tabs, might end up running that first by itself or maybe with some LGD for 7 weeks?

 

[ohiostate2827]

Idk how ppl can take adex . Stuff made me so sleepy. I do 80mg of test per week. Aromasin as needed and dostinex once a week