Adex dosing

[drob14]

Hi, so I just got back from the pharmacy picking up my armidex. The doc prescribed 1mg everyday. From what I have seen that seems to be way to much. Thoughts? Thanks in advance

 

[ActiveShooter]

I think your doctor who wrote the prescription is more qualified to answer this question than some dudes on the internet. Than again this advice is worth what you paid for it haha

 

[drob14]

I agree, but he didn't really put much thought into it it seemed. Kind of wrote the script and moved along to the next patient. My estrogen was high at 50 but not crazy high. Just wanted some opinions .

 

[ActiveShooter]

I have heard .5 every other day for cycle use but please don't go on my word I'm very green and have no qualifications to answer your question.

 

[sammpedd88]

I agree, but he didn't really put much thought into it it seemed. Kind of wrote the script and moved along to the next patient. My estrogen was high at 50 but not crazy high. Just wanted some opinions .

Most Dr's write the scripts that way. How much are you injecting?

 

[drob14]

100mg once a week. Even though not perfect much better than the 200mg every two weeks that I started at.

 

[kenpoengineer]

Based on what I dose, 0.5 mg every 7 days. Monitor with bloodwork. 1 mg ED is way too much.

 

[drob14]

Thank you!

 

[pmgamer18]

Hi drob14,

I am not a Dr. but I have been on TRT over 35 yrs. and using Estradiol E2 lowering meds over 15 yrs. I feel 1 mgs ED is way to much on my first E2 test I was over the top. We tired .25 mgs ED and it was not doing the job so we switched to .5 mgs and after a few weeks my levels came down.

But staying on that much I went low and have to stop taking it. Here is a copy of a post I did some time ago it's full of great info.

I don't go by labs I go by how good my wood is and how I feel.
================================================

High DaveK22,

After going on a low dose of arimidex it can take 4 to 5 weeks to start working fast in your body.

Problem is E2 changes so dam fast labs can't keep you up on levels.

I have been at this many yrs. and my Dr. now lets me dose by how I feel and how good my Rem Sleep Wood is. I am 72 yrs. old and Secondary.

So I have to treat all my hormones I am on Testosterone, HCG, Thyroid, Cortisol, Iron and the list goes on.

Here is what I found works for me if I don't have RSW the night before I get out of bed. I check to see if I can get it up and how good it is.

If I can get it up by it's not good and hard this tells me my E2 is going up. So for that day I take an extra dose.

If I can't get it up at all like it's dead I stop the E2 med until my RSW comes back. That morning I go back on it but take less.

So if your doing .25 mgs everyday I lower it to E2D's.

I try not to change over hormone meds some guys are forever changing this. You need to get leveled say like for 8 weeks then do labs and go by how you feel.

Here is some cut and paste on how it feels when E2 is going up and one on how not to go to low.

You need to keep on top of this if your going to high and you don't check it and fix it it take a lot longer to get back down.

Same thing when going to low the longer your low the longer it takes to come back up.
==============================
Ryan <[email protected]> Hi John, I just wanted to add that your swollen ankles can be caused by high Estradiol (E2) levels. When my E2 was very high, my legs and feet were swollen so much that I couldn't even wear shoes. Once I got my E2 down to normal levels, all of the swelling
To
[email protected]
11/01/11 at 8:15 PM
Hi John,

I just wanted to add that your swollen ankles can be caused by high
Estradiol (E2) levels.

When my E2 was very high, my legs and feet were swollen so much that I
couldn't even wear shoes. Once I got my E2 down to normal levels, all
of the swelling went away completely and has not returned.

When you add testosterone to your body, it can convert into estrogen via
a chemical called "aromatase". Your liver produces aromatase, your fat
cells contain aromatase, etc. There are different parts of estrogen,
but the only part that men really care about is "estradiol" (E2).

Like Phil said, when E2 goes up, it "makes you feel like crap and kills
your sex life". As E2 levels go up, SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin)
levels tend to go up, too. SHBG attaches itself to testosterone and
basically makes the testosterone useless. In other words, you can have
"good" levels of testosterone, but if your SHBG is too high, you still
feel like you have low testosterone.

Here is a list of some of the symptoms of high E2 (you don't have to
experience all of the symptoms to know that you have high E2):
* Depression
* Trouble reaching an orgasm
* No erections while sleeping (i.e. "night wood" or "morning wood")
* Anxiety
* Panic Attacks
* Prostate problems
* Gynecomastia
* Water Retention
* Dizziness/Vertigo
* Increased Blood Pressure
* Decreased Libido
* ED
* When penis is limp, it doesn't hang low (it seems to try to crawl back up)
* Asthma like issues (due to increased water retention around the lungs)
* Trouble sleeping at night - waking up multiple times per night
* Lack of Libido
* Crying while watching TV shows/movies
* Easier to get angry (think PMS)
* Insulin Resistance (getting tired after eating a meal - if left
untreated, it can lead to Type II Diabetes)
* Larger stomach
* Redness on the face and/or chest
* Feeling hotter than everybody else
* Thinner skin/bleeding easier

Ryan
Hypogonadism2 Co-Moderator - not a medical professional.

-----------------------------------------------------
How To Take Arimdex or Aromasin and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.



What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need .25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

 

[sammpedd88]

100mg once a week. Even though not perfect much better than the 200mg every two weeks that I started at.

Start with .25 mgs on the days you inject, if you inject twice a week. If you're not injecting twice a week you should think about doing so. I inject 100 mgs a week split into two doses. It keeps my E2 around 20.

 

[drob14]

Thank you everyone for the responses. I would love to do twice a week but I only have enough pins to do once a week. I don't know where to get more. Don't really know the legality of that.

 

[sammpedd88]

Thank you everyone for the responses. I would love to do twice a week but I only have enough pins to do once a week. I don't know where to get more. Don't really know the legality of that.

Are you in the USA? If so go to a local pharmacy and ask the laws of your state. Most states you don't have to have a script for syringes. Some do though.

 

[kenpoengineer]

Thank you everyone for the responses. I would love to do twice a week but I only have enough pins to do once a week. I don't know where to get more. Don't really know the legality of that.

Super easy. You don't need a prescription for syringes. Just order them online. My last order was 100, 25g X 1.5 inch long syringes delivered for about $25.

 

[drob14]

Oh really?!?! I didn't realize I could just buy them. That's great. Thank you

 

[sammpedd88]

Kenpo....can you PM me the site you ordered from?

 

[kenpoengineer]

Anyone that has iPhone Podcast access:

 

[damage007]

How to Differentiate between High E2 (Estrogen) Levels and Low E2 Levels

 

[pmgamer18]

Hi damage007,

I don't go by labs on my E2 levels been at this many yrs. now I gague this by how I feel and how good my wood is working.

Here is a copy of a post I did about this some time ago it's full of great info.
=========================================

High DaveK22,

After going on a low dose of arimidex it can take 4 to 5 weeks to start working fast in your body.

Problem is E2 changes so dam fast labs can't keep you up on levels.

I have been at this many yrs. and my Dr. now lets me dose by how I feel and how good my Rem Sleep Wood is. I am 72 yrs. old and Secondary.

So I have to treat all my hormones I am on Testosterone, HCG, Thyroid, Cortisol, Iron and the list goes on.

Here is what I found works for me if I don't have RSW the night before I get out of bed. I check to see if I can get it up and how good it is.

If I can get it up by it's not good and hard this tells me my E2 is going up. So for that day I take an extra dose.

If I can't get it up at all like it's dead I stop the E2 med until my RSW comes back. That morning I go back on it but take less.

So if your doing .25 mgs everyday I lower it to E2D's.

I try not to change over hormone meds some guys are forever changing this. You need to get leveled say like for 8 weeks then do labs and go by how you feel.

Here is some cut and paste on how it feels when E2 is going up and one on how not to go to low.

You need to keep on top of this if your going to high and you don't check it and fix it it take a lot longer to get back down.

Same thing when going to low the longer your low the longer it takes to come back up.
==============================
Ryan <[email protected]> Hi John, I just wanted to add that your swollen ankles can be caused by high Estradiol (E2) levels. When my E2 was very high, my legs and feet were swollen so much that I couldn't even wear shoes. Once I got my E2 down to normal levels, all of the swelling
To
[email protected]
11/01/11 at 8:15 PM
Hi John,

I just wanted to add that your swollen ankles can be caused by high
Estradiol (E2) levels.

When my E2 was very high, my legs and feet were swollen so much that I
couldn't even wear shoes. Once I got my E2 down to normal levels, all
of the swelling went away completely and has not returned.

When you add testosterone to your body, it can convert into estrogen via
a chemical called "aromatase". Your liver produces aromatase, your fat
cells contain aromatase, etc. There are different parts of estrogen,
but the only part that men really care about is "estradiol" (E2).

Like Phil said, when E2 goes up, it "makes you feel like crap and kills
your sex life". As E2 levels go up, SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin)
levels tend to go up, too. SHBG attaches itself to testosterone and
basically makes the testosterone useless. In other words, you can have
"good" levels of testosterone, but if your SHBG is too high, you still
feel like you have low testosterone.

Here is a list of some of the symptoms of high E2 (you don't have to
experience all of the symptoms to know that you have high E2):
* Depression
* Trouble reaching an orgasm
* No erections while sleeping (i.e. "night wood" or "morning wood")
* Anxiety
* Panic Attacks
* Prostate problems
* Gynecomastia
* Water Retention
* Dizziness/Vertigo
* Increased Blood Pressure
* Decreased Libido
* ED
* When penis is limp, it doesn't hang low (it seems to try to crawl back up)
* Asthma like issues (due to increased water retention around the lungs)
* Trouble sleeping at night - waking up multiple times per night
* Lack of Libido
* Crying while watching TV shows/movies
* Easier to get angry (think PMS)
* Insulin Resistance (getting tired after eating a meal - if left
untreated, it can lead to Type II Diabetes)
* Larger stomach
* Redness on the face and/or chest
* Feeling hotter than everybody else
* Thinner skin/bleeding easier

Ryan
Hypogonadism2 Co-Moderator - not a medical professional.

-----------------------------------------------------
How To Take Arimdex or Aromasin and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.



What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need .25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

 

[damage007]

Natural VS Pharmaceutical Aromatase Inhibitors (AI's) ; A Comparison

 

[damage007]

1mg is too much for average Joe's, you are not on high-dose anabolics so I see no reason, he would prescribe that much. Less you have some sort of major genetic issue we don't know about, one that makes it so you can't metabolize estrogen as easily or one that results in a pathological androgen deficiency.

 

[The Matrix]

We need to restart thinking this scenario because I have and doing more research on controling estrogen receptors and signaling at the cellular level. We just started diving into this abyss, but with in a few months we should have a better handle on it. It's a whole new world ..

 

[drob14]

I believe he said he had to prescribe that much because of the insurance company not accepting other doses because of it being a breast cancer drug. But he never elaborated on the dosing I should do

 

[damage007]

We need to restart thinking this scenario because I have and doing more research on controling estrogen receptors and signaling at the cellular level. We just started diving into this abyss, but with in a few months we should have a better handle on it. It's a whole new world ..

Exactly, I did some preliminary research and came up with some options.

How to DownRegulate Estrogen Receptors (Men) Semi-Permanently : Very Simple Solution! (Decrease Estrogen Receptor mRNA)

 

[The Matrix]

Good work, but area we are dealing with probably at the top of the cascade. One guy on 1 mgs Adex a day and 20 mgs cortef is completely off. Research looks promising just have to keep going ...