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    How do so many of you get TRT?


    I find it impossible for me!

    I am 29!


    I have low test,both total(300 ng/dl)) and free(3 pg/ml) all my life!

    I have been to two endos-the second one being a progressive endo-prescribes hormones readily.


    Neither of them would give me TRT.

    The first one said she didn`t know much about testosterone,and referred me to the other.

    This other one is a famous endo,who gives interviews all the time.
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    Claims test is the most important thing for men,advocates administering testosterone in the moment of angina attack,rather than nitroglycerin,and all such rant.

    She also gave me this speech when I came to her,and then sent me to do and array of tests.

    When I came back,her story changed.

    THERE IS NO WAY YOU`RE GETTING TRT,she said,BECAUSE YOUR SPERM COUNT IS ALL RIGHT,AND TRT WILL SHUT IT DOWN.


    She prescribed me,Metformin.She said it will reduce my abdominal fat,and this will increase my free testosterone.
    And sent me on my way.

    Free testosterone is bull**** btw.

    There are herbs that I used,which skyrocketed my free test.

    Free test won`t do **** for your strength,fat,mass,laziness.
    It`s only good for the libido,and not so much.
    I have tested this over months and months time.

    There is BTW a whole array of these idiot endos that rely only on free test,if your total is in the 300s,like mine(lower limit)
    This is all bull.

    TOTAL test is what it matters,otherwise there would be no need for AAS or TRT,we would all just be using tongkat ali or stinging nettle.



    I feel like **** my whole life.

    I need more alpha,more stamina,I`m lazy and tired,every idiot in the gym has more mass than me,in spite of me having worked my ass off.
    I have a fat belly which has not been removed by Glucophage.

    I do have great strength in the gym-like my 360 lb incline press-which I have gained by training my ass off for 10 years and having a smart strength building routine.


    But I need to look and feel better,be less moody like a woman,and not be tired!~



    What should I do?

    Should I go see a 3rd endo?

    Should I self prescribe 100 mg per week for 3 months on/3 months off?


    How do you guys get TRT in spite of mostly having good sperm count?

    BTW All of heavy AAS users that I met through the gyms for years have children!

    This aspect of AAS use is greatly exaggerated IMO!


    BTW I`m not in the USA!

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    I think the main thing you need to be is "old". If you're old that is carte blanche to get on TRT. Three things that will get you in trouble when trying to get on TRT 1) being young, 2) "clinically" looking muscular and/or lean 3) Not complaining about lethargy, low libido etc. I got in trouble for not complaining about low sex drive and whatever, I had a decently muscular build albeit too much estrogenic fat (they don't so much notice this fat, but instead notice you have "muscles"). But I was "old", and had a < 300 test level which worked in my favor. But since I had not complained about the usual issues related to low T and since I looked pretty decent I was deemed "not a candidate for injections" BUT I was "allowed" to get on androgel at least. Mind you the androgel I can tweak so that I get 10+ pumps which is the equivalent of 75-100mg test per week and they think this protocol is somehow "less" than 100mg EOW or 100mg once per month injections of test. Apparently injections are "more powerful" than gel Yes they are quite stupid most of the time......
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    It's all diet bro, and it is very hard to be big lean and strong at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    It's all diet bro, and it is very hard to be big lean and strong at the same time.
    Yeah but even with proper diet, if your test is in the shytter? Ain't no way you are leaning out and muscling up in any kind of major way. Having your test in the 7-800's is key....its just too much of a detriment to muscle building and fat burning to have a low test # and (most likely) high estrogen #. I can look pretty decent with diet and training and supplementation alone, but with the aid of a normal test # you can do so much better. Due to OP's age he should "fix it" w/o trt....but just sayin'....
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    Look for underlying reason why by examining detailed history, current symptoms, and what factors present may be causing it or have caused it in the past. Amazing what information is left out when you finally meet the people in person..how simple the issue really was..
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    Yeah but even with proper diet, if your test is in the shytter? Ain't no way you are leaning out and muscling up in any kind of major way. Having your test in the 7-800's is key....its just too much of a detriment to muscle building and fat burning to have a low test # and (most likely) high estrogen #. I can look pretty decent with diet and training and supplementation alone, but with the aid of a normal test # you can do so much better. Due to OP's age he should "fix it" w/o trt....but just sayin'....
    I hear you,
    you can lean out with little test done it before, it might be harder to build muscle I agree. What I was refering to is that some guys have I've talked to they want to look "beyond their means" sort of speaking...240 with 8% bf for example. As one gets bigger and leaner there is a point where things get harder to achieve unless you blessed with great genetics and use lots of drugs all the time.
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    I noted in another post that you may want to call a few compounding pharmacists and ask who is prescribing test. If you are nice and your tone is congruent with a person in dire need, they should give you a few names of physicians. Just keep trying different docs until you find one. In the mean time, get educated on the topic right here on this forum. It has helped me immensely.
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    I agree with others here. It helps to be old. I started at age 46. I needed it several years before that though. It's easy to get Viagra and Cialis when you are old too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJE View Post
    I agree with others here. It helps to be old. I started at age 46. I needed it several years before that though. It's easy to get Viagra and Cialis when you are old too.
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    I was in the ER recently (long story) and the doc came in and asked a few questions about medications I was taking. Going down the list, when I told him I was taking a prescription for testosterone he flipped. He said I had plenty of muscle and I should never EVER take Test. I tried to explain that my natural levels were that of an 80 year old WOMAN due to a hernia, varicocle, etc. etc. and he said it didn't matter. I had muscles so I didn't need it... He didn't care when I explained all the atrophy and fat gain I've had either.

    This Dumbazz really pissed me off. I'm not very big. I'm still like 16% BF (down from 30%) in spite of dieting hard and swimming competitively. I lift 4-6 times a week as well but before TRT I was actually atrophying instead of growing and attempts to increase cals just got me fat no matter how clean I tried to eat. Just because I'm in better shape than half the MORBIDLY OBESE, nintendo playing pizza and ice cream eating !fat azzes! we see walking around these days does NOT make an 82ng/dL level ok! Depression beyond explanation (considered suicide), gyno, ED and impotence, marital problems, tired, and miserable, but hey if you don't look like a war prisoner you have no reason to be on Test. At least not until your health is failing....

    Some doctors are morons. Especially if you are young. Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayjay View Post
    I was in the ER recently (long story) and the doc came in and asked a few questions about medications I was taking. Going down the list, when I told him I was taking a prescription for testosterone he flipped. He said I had plenty of muscle and I should never EVER take Test. I tried to explain that my natural levels were that of an 80 year old WOMAN due to a hernia, varicocle, etc. etc. and he said it didn't matter. I had muscles so I didn't need it... He didn't care when I explained all the atrophy and fat gain I've had either.

    This Dumbazz really pissed me off. I'm not very big. I'm still like 16% BF (down from 30%) in spite of dieting hard and swimming competitively. I lift 4-6 times a week as well but before TRT I was actually atrophying instead of growing and attempts to increase cals just got me fat no matter how clean I tried to eat. Just because I'm in better shape than half the MORBIDLY OBESE, nintendo playing pizza and ice cream eating !fat azzes! we see walking around these days does NOT make an 82ng/dL level ok! Depression beyond explanation (considered suicide), gyno, ED and impotence, marital problems, tired, and miserable, but hey if you don't look like a war prisoner you have no reason to be on Test. At least not until your health is failing....

    Some doctors are morons. Especially if you are young. Good luck
    yep I get shyt about getting on trt due to the fact that I bust my ass and literally kill myself just to look "better than average"....and that hurts you when trying to get on (legitimately) trt. better to not work out for 6 months and get fat and or shriveled up so you can "look the part". I especially like filling the androgel script I have now looking better and better each time I go in there lol, I'm figuring they are thinking more and more each time "this motherfcker and his androgel....my ass he needs it" Hey a couple of the girls flirt with me despite the fact I'm on trt....you figure women would be like oh this mfer is on trt and that makes you less of a man or something. Next refill I need to try and take it to the next level with one of them LMAO.
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    Many doctors are uneducated and plain ignorant when it comes to TRT. Test should not even be grouped in the same category as narcotics as being on the illegal list. Im not sure what they were thinking when they put it on this list. This stigma basically drives doctors to be so vocal about using test even for TRT. I think education will in time may make test a more main stream product and advertizing androgel on TV it's actually a good thing.
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    I'd say that another part of getting on TRT is to make it clear that you are done having kids. I went on TRT when my wife was pregnant with our second and we were done. One of the first questions I was asked by the doc and endos was if I planned to have more kids because they were not going to go the test route if so.
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    Getting TRT is easy, call a local compounding pharmacy, ask for drs in area that have good reputation and specialize in hormones, endo is the last place to look for trt
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    Right, make sure you go the most expensive route and don't forget to get your HCG, arimidex, vitamin B, and anything else they can sell you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    Many doctors are uneducated and plain ignorant when it comes to TRT. Test should not even be grouped in the same category as narcotics as being on the illegal list. Im not sure what they were thinking when they put it on this list. This stigma basically drives doctors to be so vocal about using test even for TRT. I think education will in time may make test a more main stream product and advertizing androgel on TV it's actually a good thing.
    Right. They require me to make an office visit every fcking time (every 6 months) I have to renew my script. FOR ANDROGEL of all things . Being the inquisitive fellow I am, I asked why (well other than knowing they get the insurance money for the extra visit...). their excuse was that the DEA etc. were watching and cracking down on controlled substance prescriptions. Total horseshyt of course, its what? 24 months worth that you can renew with a simple authorization fax/call to the doctors office? I'm going to photocopy the rules and regulations of the DEA if I can find it on the net and throw it at them if they require me to schedule a visit this time since this is the first time I am not moving up dosage.....same dosage so its not like they can't renew over the phone for fcks sake. But yeah, sometimes i hate the ultra modern world we live in.....but sometimes I love the age we live in. one positive example being the prevalence of trt nowadays, and the ease of obtaining it with legitimate reasons, as well as the many options for administering it.
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    All schedule drugs require 6 month follow up. As a prescriber I can only write 6 months worth of any schedule 2-4 drug. Because they (dea) require pharmacies to get a triplicate Rx form from the prescriber. But yes it also nice to collect your copay . That's your insurance plan's fault by the way, not the drs office
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    Quote Originally Posted by geezer7178 View Post
    All schedule drugs require 6 month follow up. As a prescriber I can only write 6 months worth of any schedule 2-4 drug. Because they (dea) require pharmacies to get a triplicate Rx form from the prescriber. But yes it also nice to collect your copay . That's your insurance plan's fault by the way, not the drs office
    That is just ludicrous for something that is for life and isn't even legitimately a scheduled drug by any normal humans standards. So basically you need to see the doctor twice a year for the rest of your life. Fantastic!
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    how do you get test levels tested? kit?
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    Maybe it's different from state to state (I doubt it), but doctors can't write prescriptions for longer than 12 months here and require that you go in to refill. Personally, I have no problem with any of this because we should be going anyway. Along those lines, going twice a year is no big deal either.

    I go every 3 months and like it. It gives me information on labs that I can stay ahead of and adjust if needed and there are no surprises. I happen to be different than most men when it comes to health, it seems. For me preemptive -> proactive -> reactive. Most guys I know like to wait until they have to to go to fix something instead of staying ahead of it.
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    I can buy testosterone in the pharmacy,cheap and without a script.

    I just wanted to do it the right way.

    But it seems I don`t really need it - according to them - in spite of having such low levels and feeling the effects all my life.

    That`s what really pisses me of.

    **** them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    That is just ludicrous for something that is for life and isn't even legitimately a scheduled drug by any normal humans standards. So basically you need to see the doctor twice a year for the rest of your life. Fantastic!
    That's why test shouldnt be a scheduled drug. It only got scheduled because of politicians not doctors or law enforcement. As a matter of fact, the law enforcement didnt want it scheduled, it's a burden on them. In other countries test is just a prescription very loosly enforced very easy to obtain and nobody cares. In some other countries you dont even need a script.
    If they dont want athletes to use it then test them is that simple.
    Just a quick story, back in the communist times in europe as an athletes they were giving you the drugs..lol
    I know friends that back them were into competitive sports and had tbol and dbol available to them rather easily. They didnt take them all the time but when it came close to a competition they were using them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Maybe it's different from state to state (I doubt it), but doctors can't write prescriptions for longer than 12 months here and require that you go in to refill. Personally, I have no problem with any of this because we should be going anyway. Along those lines, going twice a year is no big deal either.

    I go every 3 months and like it. It gives me information on labs that I can stay ahead of and adjust if needed and there are no surprises. I happen to be different than most men when it comes to health, it seems. For me preemptive -> proactive -> reactive. Most guys I know like to wait until they have to to go to fix something instead of staying ahead of it.
    Def agree with the lab work. Is good to have it done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HokiePride View Post
    how do you get test levels tested? kit?
    any general practitioner can order it. There is not kit for this, either GP most likely with a yearly physical or just go on line and have order it yourself for 80 bucks I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    Having your test in the 7-800's is key.....
    says who? Plenty of pro athletes have test levels in the 400-500 levels. Most scales for 30 years old have 800 or so as the maximum. Its not "key" to being big and lean, unless you are talking about IFBB pro big and lean, and then 1500 doesn't cut it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    says who? Plenty of pro athletes have test levels in the 400-500 levels. Most scales for 30 years old have 800 or so as the maximum. Its not "key" to being big and lean, unless you are talking about IFBB pro big and lean, and then 1500 doesn't cut it.
    Exactly. There is no blanket statement or number with TRT and that it is why it takes so much time and effort to dial things in. What works for one person doesn't work for the next. I feel my most comfortable in the 600-low 700. Hell, I was putting on muscle and keeping lean with 200 levels, so it shouldn't be a crutch to lean on.
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    What's wrong with seeing a Dr. every 6 months? I don't know about you, but I like having blood word done every few months. I take Arimidex to keep E2 in check and like to know my levels as to not let them get too high or worse completely crash them. So I see my Dr. every 6 months to renew my scripts and he has me set up with the lab for blood work every 3 months. I wouldn't go near a Dr. that just threw a drug at you and said, BYE & GOOD LUCK!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozley62 View Post
    What's wrong with seeing a Dr. every 6 months? I don't know about you, but I like having blood word done every few months. I take Arimidex to keep E2 in check and like to know my levels as to not let them get too high or worse completely crash them. So I see my Dr. every 6 months to renew my scripts and he has me set up with the lab for blood work every 3 months. I wouldn't go near a Dr. that just threw a drug at you and said, BYE & GOOD LUCK!
    because my doctor is an idiot in these matters AND all I do is sit there and he asks me "how much androgel?" or "why don't you try testim or my compounding pharmacy's cream?" etc. Then I tell him I like the androgel since my insurance covers it, and I need X pumps per week, and I just wasted 10 minutes of my life waiting to see you and another 15 minutes driving down here to tell you the same thing I did last time since its a recurring script for the same amount (for the most part unless there is a rare occasion that it must be adjusted). Mostly for those reasons. Also, just an FYI, 98% of docs are not interested in testing estrogen levels or anything else other than test levels. That does not do me much good. Plus I'm not a big hypochondriac who likes to have blood drawn or whatever, I keep my diet/rx/supplementation constant and I pretty much could recite what my #'s will be on this or that medication or AAS or PH etc. And I can check my BP at the walmart or the pharmacy
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    says who? Plenty of pro athletes have test levels in the 400-500 levels. Most scales for 30 years old have 800 or so as the maximum. Its not "key" to being big and lean, unless you are talking about IFBB pro big and lean, and then 1500 doesn't cut it.
    *for me. better? so I guess 'sez me'? I still think 650-800 is a nice optimal level even for "other people"...those of you who think "634.5" is my perfect level, well I ask the same question. how do you know? Maybe 100 more would be GREAT for you, as well you are not sitting at that exact level at any given time during your weekly rollercoaster ride, since there are ups and downs. If you feel fine at 2-300? God bless your heart and by all means don't get on trt. I am willing to bet that 90% plus see improvements in all areas when they double or more their initial ~300 test level....but what do I know....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    because my doctor is an idiot in these matters AND all I do is sit there and he asks me "how much androgel?" or "why don't you try testim or my compounding pharmacy's cream?" etc. Then I tell him I like the androgel since my insurance covers it, and I need X pumps per week, and I just wasted 10 minutes of my life waiting to see you and another 15 minutes driving down here to tell you the same thing I did last time since its a recurring script for the same amount (for the most part unless there is a rare occasion that it must be adjusted). Mostly for those reasons. Also, just an FYI, 98% of docs are not interested in testing estrogen levels or anything else other than test levels. That does not do me much good. Plus I'm not a big hypochondriac who likes to have blood drawn or whatever, I keep my diet/rx/supplementation constant and I pretty much could recite what my #'s will be on this or that medication or AAS or PH etc. And I can check my BP at the walmart or the pharmacy

    No hypochondriac here! Just someone who went through several doctors and finally found one that knows what he's doing rather than bitch and complain about it. TRT is for life, that's not something I care to go alone without the input of a good doctor. Good luck with your journey!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    says who? Plenty of pro athletes have test levels in the 400-500 levels. Most scales for 30 years old have 800 or so as the maximum. Its not "key" to being big and lean, unless you are talking about IFBB pro big and lean, and then 1500 doesn't cut it.
    True. On the other hand, there are plenty of pro athletes that aren't big and lean.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ozley62 View Post
    No hypochondriac here! Just someone who went through several doctors and finally found one that knows what he's doing rather than bitch and complain about it. TRT is for life, that's not something I care to go alone without the input of a good doctor. Good luck with your journey!
    Not saying YOU were a hypochondriac.....just that I am not "that type" to want to get poked prodded and otherwise molested on a 6 month basis . And yes, that is the point I was trying to make....not everybody has it as easy as you do since many may still be wading through all the BS in order to get to a knowledgeable endo who understands clomid therapy and E2 testing is not "just for women". personally? I do not have time right now to fight about getting a referral to an endo, I'm working p/t while taking ~5 classes per term at the university level and will be interning in my prospective field this summer. So fighting with doctors and running around looking for my perfect endo is not in the cards right now, maybe next year some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texastea View Post
    True. On the other hand, there are plenty of pro athletes that aren't big and lean.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    I find it impossible for me!

    I am 29!


    I have low test,both total(300 ng/dl)) and free(3 pg/ml) all my life!

    I have been to two endos-the second one being a progressive endo-prescribes hormones readily.


    Neither of them would give me TRT.

    The first one said she didn`t know much about testosterone,and referred me to the other.

    This other one is a famous endo,who gives interviews all the time.
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    Claims test is the most important thing for men,advocates administering testosterone in the moment of angina attack,rather than nitroglycerin,and all such rant.

    She also gave me this speech when I came to her,and then sent me to do and array of tests.

    When I came back,her story changed.

    THERE IS NO WAY YOU`RE GETTING TRT,she said,BECAUSE YOUR SPERM COUNT IS ALL RIGHT,AND TRT WILL SHUT IT DOWN.


    She prescribed me,Metformin.She said it will reduce my abdominal fat,and this will increase my free testosterone.
    And sent me on my way.

    Free testosterone is bull**** btw.

    There are herbs that I used,which skyrocketed my free test.

    Free test won`t do **** for your strength,fat,mass,laziness.
    It`s only good for the libido,and not so much.
    I have tested this over months and months time.

    There is BTW a whole array of these idiot endos that rely only on free test,if your total is in the 300s,like mine(lower limit)
    This is all bull.

    TOTAL test is what it matters,otherwise there would be no need for AAS or TRT,we would all just be using tongkat ali or stinging nettle.



    I feel like **** my whole life.

    I need more alpha,more stamina,I`m lazy and tired,every idiot in the gym has more mass than me,in spite of me having worked my ass off.
    I have a fat belly which has not been removed by Glucophage.

    I do have great strength in the gym-like my 360 lb incline press-which I have gained by training my ass off for 10 years and having a smart strength building routine.


    But I need to look and feel better,be less moody like a woman,and not be tired!~



    What should I do?

    Should I go see a 3rd endo?

    Should I self prescribe 100 mg per week for 3 months on/3 months off?


    How do you guys get TRT in spite of mostly having good sperm count?

    BTW All of heavy AAS users that I met through the gyms for years have children!

    This aspect of AAS use is greatly exaggerated IMO!


    BTW I`m not in the USA!
    Metformin? As in Glucophage? I have read that Metformin actually decreases Testosterone. I also read that it isn't very good for weight loss for people that are not diabetic. I would do more research on Metformin before taking it. It may make things worse. The Wikipedia entry on Metformin hints at its testosterone lowering effects. I guess you can start there. Good luck!
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    If you're not having thyroid problems you may want to look at doctors other than Endocrinologist, I went to 3 different Endos and didn't care for their treatment at all when it came to TRT. Lots of times a good Urologist will be more up to speed on TRT, that's who I'm seeing now and he seems to know what he's doing and always listens to anything I have to say. I've copied some of the sticky's from websites like this one and others like it and showed to him and he's always more than glad to read it. A good Dr. who administers TRT should be willing to learn all they can about it. When I google (Doctors who specialize in TRT in..............put your zip code) a big list of Urologist are what pops up.
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    Bro...if this **** is that much of a problem just order some gear and put yourself on TRT. 150-200mg/wk will have you feeling a **** ton better and its cheaper than getting it script.

    There are LOTS of legit sources and some HG sources...get your own ****. I am 19 (and had naturally low test) and that is what I do. I have a friend that never developed fully, is 18, has low test, and does the same thing. Life with test is a good life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    says who? Plenty of pro athletes have test levels in the 400-500 levels. Most scales for 30 years old have 800 or so as the maximum. Its not "key" to being big and lean, unless you are talking about IFBB pro big and lean, and then 1500 doesn't cut it.
    This is retarded. Most pro athletes are on gear...your argument is invalid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swim15 View Post
    Bro...if this **** is that much of a problem just order some gear and put yourself on TRT. 150-200mg/wk will have you feeling a **** ton better and its cheaper than getting it script.

    There are LOTS of legit sources and some HG sources...get your own ****. I am 19 (and had naturally low test) and that is what I do. I have a friend that never developed fully, is 18, has low test, and does the same thing. Life with test is a good life.
    I don't mean to laugh, but you are 19. You don't know ****. Stop trying to give advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozley62 View Post
    Lots of times a good Urologist will be more up to speed on TRT,
    This is totally strange, but totally true. Seems to be the norm for whatever reason. You would figure an endocrinologist would be your go-to TRT guy as opposed to the Urologist, but the endo's are oftentimes just as clueless as your GP.
  

  
 

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