How do so many of you get TRT?
- 05-03-2013, 08:23 PM
How do so many of you get TRT?
I find it impossible for me!
I am 29!
I have low test,both total(300 ng/dl)) and free(3 pg/ml) all my life!
I have been to two endos-the second one being a progressive endo-prescribes hormones readily.
Neither of them would give me TRT.
The first one said she didn`t know much about testosterone,and referred me to the other.
This other one is a famous endo,who gives interviews all the time.
Claims test is the most important thing for men,advocates administering testosterone in the moment of angina attack,rather than nitroglycerin,and all such rant.
She also gave me this speech when I came to her,and then sent me to do and array of tests.
When I came back,her story changed.
THERE IS NO WAY YOU`RE GETTING TRT,she said,BECAUSE YOUR SPERM COUNT IS ALL RIGHT,AND TRT WILL SHUT IT DOWN.
She prescribed me,Metformin.She said it will reduce my abdominal fat,and this will increase my free testosterone.
And sent me on my way.
Free testosterone is bull**** btw.
There are herbs that I used,which skyrocketed my free test.
Free test won`t do **** for your strength,fat,mass,laziness.
It`s only good for the libido,and not so much.
I have tested this over months and months time.
There is BTW a whole array of these idiot endos that rely only on free test,if your total is in the 300s,like mine(lower limit)
This is all bull.
TOTAL test is what it matters,otherwise there would be no need for AAS or TRT,we would all just be using tongkat ali or stinging nettle.
I feel like **** my whole life.
I need more alpha,more stamina,I`m lazy and tired,every idiot in the gym has more mass than me,in spite of me having worked my ass off.
I have a fat belly which has not been removed by Glucophage.
I do have great strength in the gym-like my 360 lb incline press-which I have gained by training my ass off for 10 years and having a smart strength building routine.
But I need to look and feel better,be less moody like a woman,and not be tired!~
What should I do?
Should I go see a 3rd endo?
Should I self prescribe 100 mg per week for 3 months on/3 months off?
How do you guys get TRT in spite of mostly having good sperm count?
BTW All of heavy AAS users that I met through the gyms for years have children!
This aspect of AAS use is greatly exaggerated IMO!
BTW I`m not in the USA!
- 05-04-2013, 12:40 AM
I think the main thing you need to be is "old". If you're old that is carte blanche to get on TRT. Three things that will get you in trouble when trying to get on TRT 1) being young, 2) "clinically" looking muscular and/or lean 3) Not complaining about lethargy, low libido etc. I got in trouble for not complaining about low sex drive and whatever, I had a decently muscular build albeit too much estrogenic fat (they don't so much notice this fat, but instead notice you have "muscles"). But I was "old", and had a < 300 test level which worked in my favor. But since I had not complained about the usual issues related to low T and since I looked pretty decent I was deemed "not a candidate for injections" BUT I was "allowed" to get on androgel at least. Mind you the androgel I can tweak so that I get 10+ pumps which is the equivalent of 75-100mg test per week and they think this protocol is somehow "less" than 100mg EOW or 100mg once per month injections of test. Apparently injections are "more powerful" than gel Yes they are quite stupid most of the time......
- 05-04-2013, 10:25 AM
05-04-2013, 01:59 PM
05-04-2013, 02:41 PM
Look for underlying reason why by examining detailed history, current symptoms, and what factors present may be causing it or have caused it in the past. Amazing what information is left out when you finally meet the people in person..how simple the issue really was..
I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
05-05-2013, 11:03 AM
you can lean out with little test done it before, it might be harder to build muscle I agree. What I was refering to is that some guys have I've talked to they want to look "beyond their means" sort of speaking...240 with 8% bf for example. As one gets bigger and leaner there is a point where things get harder to achieve unless you blessed with great genetics and use lots of drugs all the time.
05-05-2013, 10:42 PM
I noted in another post that you may want to call a few compounding pharmacists and ask who is prescribing test. If you are nice and your tone is congruent with a person in dire need, they should give you a few names of physicians. Just keep trying different docs until you find one. In the mean time, get educated on the topic right here on this forum. It has helped me immensely.
05-06-2013, 10:55 PM
I agree with others here. It helps to be old. I started at age 46. I needed it several years before that though. It's easy to get Viagra and Cialis when you are old too.
05-06-2013, 11:18 PM
05-07-2013, 12:11 AM
I was in the ER recently (long story) and the doc came in and asked a few questions about medications I was taking. Going down the list, when I told him I was taking a prescription for testosterone he flipped. He said I had plenty of muscle and I should never EVER take Test. I tried to explain that my natural levels were that of an 80 year old WOMAN due to a hernia, varicocle, etc. etc. and he said it didn't matter. I had muscles so I didn't need it... He didn't care when I explained all the atrophy and fat gain I've had either.
This Dumbazz really pissed me off. I'm not very big. I'm still like 16% BF (down from 30%) in spite of dieting hard and swimming competitively. I lift 4-6 times a week as well but before TRT I was actually atrophying instead of growing and attempts to increase cals just got me fat no matter how clean I tried to eat. Just because I'm in better shape than half the MORBIDLY OBESE, nintendo playing pizza and ice cream eating !fat azzes! we see walking around these days does NOT make an 82ng/dL level ok! Depression beyond explanation (considered suicide), gyno, ED and impotence, marital problems, tired, and miserable, but hey if you don't look like a war prisoner you have no reason to be on Test. At least not until your health is failing....
Some doctors are morons. Especially if you are young. Good luck
05-07-2013, 01:06 AM
05-07-2013, 09:52 AM
Many doctors are uneducated and plain ignorant when it comes to TRT. Test should not even be grouped in the same category as narcotics as being on the illegal list. Im not sure what they were thinking when they put it on this list. This stigma basically drives doctors to be so vocal about using test even for TRT. I think education will in time may make test a more main stream product and advertizing androgel on TV it's actually a good thing.
05-07-2013, 10:21 AM
I'd say that another part of getting on TRT is to make it clear that you are done having kids. I went on TRT when my wife was pregnant with our second and we were done. One of the first questions I was asked by the doc and endos was if I planned to have more kids because they were not going to go the test route if so.
05-07-2013, 10:34 AM
Getting TRT is easy, call a local compounding pharmacy, ask for drs in area that have good reputation and specialize in hormones, endo is the last place to look for trt
05-07-2013, 01:14 PM
Right, make sure you go the most expensive route and don't forget to get your HCG, arimidex, vitamin B, and anything else they can sell you.
05-07-2013, 01:52 PM
05-08-2013, 12:54 AM
All schedule drugs require 6 month follow up. As a prescriber I can only write 6 months worth of any schedule 2-4 drug. Because they (dea) require pharmacies to get a triplicate Rx form from the prescriber. But yes it also nice to collect your copay . That's your insurance plan's fault by the way, not the drs office
05-08-2013, 04:01 AM
05-08-2013, 08:45 AM
05-08-2013, 09:37 AM
Maybe it's different from state to state (I doubt it), but doctors can't write prescriptions for longer than 12 months here and require that you go in to refill. Personally, I have no problem with any of this because we should be going anyway. Along those lines, going twice a year is no big deal either.
I go every 3 months and like it. It gives me information on labs that I can stay ahead of and adjust if needed and there are no surprises. I happen to be different than most men when it comes to health, it seems. For me preemptive -> proactive -> reactive. Most guys I know like to wait until they have to to go to fix something instead of staying ahead of it.
05-08-2013, 10:04 AM
I can buy testosterone in the pharmacy,cheap and without a script.
I just wanted to do it the right way.
But it seems I don`t really need it - according to them - in spite of having such low levels and feeling the effects all my life.
That`s what really pisses me of.
05-08-2013, 10:16 AM
If they dont want athletes to use it then test them is that simple.
Just a quick story, back in the communist times in europe as an athletes they were giving you the drugs..lol
I know friends that back them were into competitive sports and had tbol and dbol available to them rather easily. They didnt take them all the time but when it came close to a competition they were using them.
05-08-2013, 10:20 AM
05-08-2013, 10:24 AM
05-08-2013, 10:25 AM
05-08-2013, 10:56 AM
stop eating gluten and your gut will disappear like magic
Kettle bells,Club bells and body weight exercises only for me
05-08-2013, 12:18 PM
05-08-2013, 12:22 PM
What's wrong with seeing a Dr. every 6 months? I don't know about you, but I like having blood word done every few months. I take Arimidex to keep E2 in check and like to know my levels as to not let them get too high or worse completely crash them. So I see my Dr. every 6 months to renew my scripts and he has me set up with the lab for blood work every 3 months. I wouldn't go near a Dr. that just threw a drug at you and said, BYE & GOOD LUCK!
05-08-2013, 02:06 PM
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