How do so many of you get TRT?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    because my doctor is an idiot in these matters AND all I do is sit there and he asks me "how much androgel?" or "why don't you try testim or my compounding pharmacy's cream?" etc. Then I tell him I like the androgel since my insurance covers it, and I need X pumps per week, and I just wasted 10 minutes of my life waiting to see you and another 15 minutes driving down here to tell you the same thing I did last time since its a recurring script for the same amount (for the most part unless there is a rare occasion that it must be adjusted). Mostly for those reasons. Also, just an FYI, 98% of docs are not interested in testing estrogen levels or anything else other than test levels. That does not do me much good. Plus I'm not a big hypochondriac who likes to have blood drawn or whatever, I keep my diet/rx/supplementation constant and I pretty much could recite what my #'s will be on this or that medication or AAS or PH etc. And I can check my BP at the walmart or the pharmacy

    No hypochondriac here! Just someone who went through several doctors and finally found one that knows what he's doing rather than bitch and complain about it. TRT is for life, that's not something I care to go alone without the input of a good doctor. Good luck with your journey!


  2. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    says who? Plenty of pro athletes have test levels in the 400-500 levels. Most scales for 30 years old have 800 or so as the maximum. Its not "key" to being big and lean, unless you are talking about IFBB pro big and lean, and then 1500 doesn't cut it.
    True. On the other hand, there are plenty of pro athletes that aren't big and lean.


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  3. Quote Originally Posted by ozley62 View Post
    No hypochondriac here! Just someone who went through several doctors and finally found one that knows what he's doing rather than bitch and complain about it. TRT is for life, that's not something I care to go alone without the input of a good doctor. Good luck with your journey!
    Not saying YOU were a hypochondriac.....just that I am not "that type" to want to get poked prodded and otherwise molested on a 6 month basis . And yes, that is the point I was trying to make....not everybody has it as easy as you do since many may still be wading through all the BS in order to get to a knowledgeable endo who understands clomid therapy and E2 testing is not "just for women". personally? I do not have time right now to fight about getting a referral to an endo, I'm working p/t while taking ~5 classes per term at the university level and will be interning in my prospective field this summer. So fighting with doctors and running around looking for my perfect endo is not in the cards right now, maybe next year some time.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by texastea View Post
    True. On the other hand, there are plenty of pro athletes that aren't big and lean.


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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    I find it impossible for me!

    I am 29!


    I have low test,both total(300 ng/dl)) and free(3 pg/ml) all my life!

    I have been to two endos-the second one being a progressive endo-prescribes hormones readily.


    Neither of them would give me TRT.

    The first one said she didn`t know much about testosterone,and referred me to the other.

    This other one is a famous endo,who gives interviews all the time.
    '
    Claims test is the most important thing for men,advocates administering testosterone in the moment of angina attack,rather than nitroglycerin,and all such rant.

    She also gave me this speech when I came to her,and then sent me to do and array of tests.

    When I came back,her story changed.

    THERE IS NO WAY YOU`RE GETTING TRT,she said,BECAUSE YOUR SPERM COUNT IS ALL RIGHT,AND TRT WILL SHUT IT DOWN.


    She prescribed me,Metformin.She said it will reduce my abdominal fat,and this will increase my free testosterone.
    And sent me on my way.

    Free testosterone is bull**** btw.

    There are herbs that I used,which skyrocketed my free test.

    Free test won`t do **** for your strength,fat,mass,laziness.
    It`s only good for the libido,and not so much.
    I have tested this over months and months time.

    There is BTW a whole array of these idiot endos that rely only on free test,if your total is in the 300s,like mine(lower limit)
    This is all bull.

    TOTAL test is what it matters,otherwise there would be no need for AAS or TRT,we would all just be using tongkat ali or stinging nettle.



    I feel like **** my whole life.

    I need more alpha,more stamina,I`m lazy and tired,every idiot in the gym has more mass than me,in spite of me having worked my ass off.
    I have a fat belly which has not been removed by Glucophage.

    I do have great strength in the gym-like my 360 lb incline press-which I have gained by training my ass off for 10 years and having a smart strength building routine.


    But I need to look and feel better,be less moody like a woman,and not be tired!~



    What should I do?

    Should I go see a 3rd endo?

    Should I self prescribe 100 mg per week for 3 months on/3 months off?


    How do you guys get TRT in spite of mostly having good sperm count?

    BTW All of heavy AAS users that I met through the gyms for years have children!

    This aspect of AAS use is greatly exaggerated IMO!


    BTW I`m not in the USA!
    Metformin? As in Glucophage? I have read that Metformin actually decreases Testosterone. I also read that it isn't very good for weight loss for people that are not diabetic. I would do more research on Metformin before taking it. It may make things worse. The Wikipedia entry on Metformin hints at its testosterone lowering effects. I guess you can start there. Good luck!
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  6. If you're not having thyroid problems you may want to look at doctors other than Endocrinologist, I went to 3 different Endos and didn't care for their treatment at all when it came to TRT. Lots of times a good Urologist will be more up to speed on TRT, that's who I'm seeing now and he seems to know what he's doing and always listens to anything I have to say. I've copied some of the sticky's from websites like this one and others like it and showed to him and he's always more than glad to read it. A good Dr. who administers TRT should be willing to learn all they can about it. When I google (Doctors who specialize in TRT in..............put your zip code) a big list of Urologist are what pops up.

  7. Bro...if this **** is that much of a problem just order some gear and put yourself on TRT. 150-200mg/wk will have you feeling a **** ton better and its cheaper than getting it script.

    There are LOTS of legit sources and some HG sources...get your own ****. I am 19 (and had naturally low test) and that is what I do. I have a friend that never developed fully, is 18, has low test, and does the same thing. Life with test is a good life.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    says who? Plenty of pro athletes have test levels in the 400-500 levels. Most scales for 30 years old have 800 or so as the maximum. Its not "key" to being big and lean, unless you are talking about IFBB pro big and lean, and then 1500 doesn't cut it.
    This is retarded. Most pro athletes are on gear...your argument is invalid.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by swim15 View Post
    Bro...if this **** is that much of a problem just order some gear and put yourself on TRT. 150-200mg/wk will have you feeling a **** ton better and its cheaper than getting it script.

    There are LOTS of legit sources and some HG sources...get your own ****. I am 19 (and had naturally low test) and that is what I do. I have a friend that never developed fully, is 18, has low test, and does the same thing. Life with test is a good life.
    I don't mean to laugh, but you are 19. You don't know ****. Stop trying to give advice.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by ozley62 View Post
    Lots of times a good Urologist will be more up to speed on TRT,
    This is totally strange, but totally true. Seems to be the norm for whatever reason. You would figure an endocrinologist would be your go-to TRT guy as opposed to the Urologist, but the endo's are oftentimes just as clueless as your GP.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Maybe it's different from state to state (I doubt it), but doctors can't write prescriptions for longer than 12 months here and require that you go in to refill. Personally, I have no problem with any of this because we should be going anyway. Along those lines, going twice a year is no big deal either.

    I go every 3 months and like it. It gives me information on labs that I can stay ahead of and adjust if needed and there are no surprises. I happen to be different than most men when it comes to health, it seems. For me preemptive -> proactive -> reactive. Most guys I know like to wait until they have to to go to fix something instead of staying ahead of it.

    of course, if you can have a comfortable relationship with a physician
    who is not motivated by greed
    then you should take every advantage.

    some doctors i have known either personally or professionally have been down to earth people
    but after the hillary-aided nixonization of health care accelerated in the 80s
    attitudes on both sides of the relationship changed.
    now, i wouldn't trust an american physician to touch my blood without some prior outside relationship extending past the paperwork.

    as for taking care of one's self, it is good sense, but some people never have the luxury, materially or emotionally.

    part of this this might be a cultural/generational/socioeconomic thing...
    when i was young,
    john wayne was still a big influence on young men
    mostly through their fathers
    and then that guy got stomach cancer likely from shooting movies on radioactive sand taken from the nuclear test sites in the desert
    (makes you wonder why we are doing the same thing to the sands of Iraq, huh...?)
    ule brenner (maybe spelled his name wrong) smoked himself to death
    and man-culture in the USA changed...
    clint eastwood went from cowboy to vigilante cop
    burt reynolds drank beer and drove cross-country "trans-am" races
    but ended up a poor man's james bond,
    and michael douglas told us greed was good,
    but finally fell down exhausted by all the bull****
    that idiots who actually believed that
    made of the world
    i mean, when you think about it, falling down is a zombie movie...
    this all happened in the 4 decades that i have been alive

    as a youth, i was taught that men abused their bodies in the service of some sort of enterprise, to change the world and to make it a better place, makes things right, at their own expense, no complaints, just push the f*** on and shut up.
    that was the standard.
    i spent a lot of my life covered in used motor oil with alcohol and cigarettes on my breath.

  12. I'm trying to think of a movie reference to reply with....

    dammit.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    This is totally strange, but totally true. Seems to be the norm for whatever reason. You would figure an endocrinologist would be your go-to TRT guy as opposed to the Urologist, but the endo's are oftentimes just as clueless as your GP.
    My endo told me he will let me do what I want so long as it is not dangerous or unethical. However I'd say he is an anti TRT doctor. He gives me a lecture every time I see him on how we don't know if TRT does any good and that you are better off health wise with low T etc. I plan to switch to my GP later this year for my TRT. I've yet to see a urologist that was into TRT. They should be though since their speciality is the male reproductive system.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by ozley62 View Post
    If you're not having thyroid problems you may want to look at doctors other than Endocrinologist, I went to 3 different Endos and didn't care for their treatment at all when it came to TRT. Lots of times a good Urologist will be more up to speed on TRT, that's who I'm seeing now and he seems to know what he's doing and always listens to anything I have to say. I've copied some of the sticky's from websites like this one and others like it and showed to him and he's always more than glad to read it. A good Dr. who administers TRT should be willing to learn all they can about it. When I google (Doctors who specialize in TRT in..............put your zip code) a big list of Urologist are what pops up.
    sure.
    great advice.
    can't a gp script test?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    sure.
    great advice.
    can't a gp script test?
    Yes

  16. Are you using those digital BP machines with the one size fits all cuff?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by bigt405 View Post
    Are you using those digital BP machines with the one size fits all cuff?
    who me? if so yeah I do. I got smaller arms, they fit in there fine....unless i flex then they got pretty huge peaks to them. If I had to put my traps in a cuff? or my chest? or my legs? I'd break that shyt like a mfcker . The ma-cheen and the doctors office jive pretty good, I'm usually a little bit lower at the doctors office though. When they take my BP there I need the bigger cuff since the regular one does not fit, but I BARELY need the bigger cuff.....and I mean it barely fits right.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by BJE View Post
    My endo told me he will let me do what I want so long as it is not dangerous or unethical. However I'd say he is an anti TRT doctor. He gives me a lecture every time I see him on how we don't know if TRT does any good and that you are better off health wise with low T etc. I plan to switch to my GP later this year for my TRT. I've yet to see. Urologist that was into TRT. They should be though since their speciality is the male reproductive system.
    Yeah I got it to the point that my GP asks me what I want, how much etc for my TRT....he knows that I am responsible and informed on this subject and I am an honest person. My cardiologist who prescribes my beta blocker and ACE also told me he will adjust up and down according to what I report back to him since he also trusts me to understand my readings for my heart rate and BP and where they need to be and what dosages get me there.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post

    who me? if so yeah I do. I got smaller arms, they fit in there fine....unless i flex then they got pretty huge peaks to them. If I had to put my traps in a cuff? or my chest? or my legs? I'd break that shyt like a mfcker . The ma-cheen and the doctors office jive pretty good, I'm usually a little bit lower at the doctors office though. When they take my BP there I need the bigger cuff since the regular one does not fit, but I BARELY need the bigger cuff.....and I mean it barely fits right.
    Ok cool.....I have gotten to where I can't use them anymore......just going to make sure you knew that a cuff to tight can skew your numbers.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by ozley62 View Post
    If you're not having thyroid problems you may want to look at doctors other than Endocrinologist, I went to 3 different Endos and didn't care for their treatment at all when it came to TRT. Lots of times a good Urologist will be more up to speed on TRT, that's who I'm seeing now and he seems to know what he's doing and always listens to anything I have to say. I've copied some of the sticky's from websites like this one and others like it and showed to him and he's always more than glad to read it. A good Dr. who administers TRT should be willing to learn all they can about it. When I google (Doctors who specialize in TRT in..............put your zip code) a big list of Urologist are what pops up.
    I too use a urologist and finding him was the best thing for me since my primary doctor was lost.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by bigt405 View Post
    Ok cool.....I have gotten to where I can't use them anymore......just going to make sure you knew that a cuff to tight can skew your numbers.
    yeah the doctors office is more accurate since that old BP machine had a pretty small cuff....but this new super duper robot voice machine they got in last month has a nice big cuff actually, reads almost identical to the doctors office. I often wondered about these big mafckers who's arms, whether out of shape or muscular, could never fit in that thing. This machine talks too much and you need to enter in all your info which is a PITA, but hey at least its got an improved cuff and improved accuracy......

  22. 99% of endos are going to specialize in the biggest endocrine problem in medicine, Diabetes, not hormone replacement.

    Any Dr who cares to research it and prescribe it can do so. Speciality does not matter.
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