rollin0071
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Hey All,
Been feeling less and less like myself lately (last few years)(low libido, low energy, ED stuff, etc.). I'm pretty healthy, working out regularly, eating right, etc. Been working out regularly for a year ( I've lifted since I was 17, just not consistently and not seriously). I'm 42, 6'1", 180 lbs, right around 10% BF. Went to see a Doc to check my how my hormones were looking. I got another year, or so, of all natural before I have to decide on whether or not I want to take the next step. With that in mind, wanted to get some input from you guys about optimizing my natural Test / free test / Estradiol levels, before I decide to take the leap into a cycle/TRT.
I recently had a couple of lab tests done.
One all natural (multi vitamin, creatine, whey, etc.)
Lab results:
Total test - 618 ng/dl
Free test - 7.87 ng/dl
Estradiol - 14.4 pg/dl
SHBG - 55 nmol/dl
DHEA Sulfate - 235.6 ug/dl
DHT - 17.9 ng/dl
Cortisol - 17.4 ug/dl
On this test:
Test - OK?
Free test - Low
Estradiol - Reasonable
SHBG - High
DHEA - high side of scale
DHT - Low side of scale
Cortisol - High
2nd test after a week of a "Clomid challenge" - 50mg / day for one week:
Total test - 745 ng/dl
Free test - 7.78 ng/dl
Estradiol - 21.1 pg/dl
SHBG - 67 nmol/dl
DHEA Sulfate - 339.2 ug/dl
DHT - 29.9 ng/dl
Cortisol - 19.2 ug/dl
On this test:
Test - Better
Free test - Lower
Estradiol - Reasonable
SHBG - Higher
DHEA - high side of scale
DHT - Low side of scale
Cortisol - High
I would like to increase my free testosterone obviously. To me it seems like I would need to decrease my SHBG levels and also decrease my cortisol levels? I'm thinking lowering these levels would lead to an increase in free test and DHT levels? Which would lead to more muscle gains more energy, etc.?
Like I said, I've been dealing with these issues for a few years now. I've tried a long list of supplements (test boosters (max anabol, testofx, super test), triblulus, DAA, Horny goat weed, ZMA, Clomid, citrulline, arginine, pynecogenol, ginseng, gingko, fish oil) but I have yet to try anything that has made a "real difference". ZMA is ok ( I ran out, waiting on more).
Moving forward on the test side, I'm going to try Testo pro ( it has stinging nettle root extract, which is supposed to help free up some test), I'll continue with ZMA, clomid (@ 25 mg /day), and vitamin D, DAA seems worthless, and my other supps are for NO. I'm curious about arimidex, but my Estro seems fine. Not sure what to do about the cortisol?
There seems to be a lot of knowledge on this site, so I'm hoping you guys can help me get to where I want to be. Lifting heavy and getting big. Thanks in advance. All thoughts greatly appreciated.
Been feeling less and less like myself lately (last few years)(low libido, low energy, ED stuff, etc.). I'm pretty healthy, working out regularly, eating right, etc. Been working out regularly for a year ( I've lifted since I was 17, just not consistently and not seriously). I'm 42, 6'1", 180 lbs, right around 10% BF. Went to see a Doc to check my how my hormones were looking. I got another year, or so, of all natural before I have to decide on whether or not I want to take the next step. With that in mind, wanted to get some input from you guys about optimizing my natural Test / free test / Estradiol levels, before I decide to take the leap into a cycle/TRT.
I recently had a couple of lab tests done.
One all natural (multi vitamin, creatine, whey, etc.)
Lab results:
Total test - 618 ng/dl
Free test - 7.87 ng/dl
Estradiol - 14.4 pg/dl
SHBG - 55 nmol/dl
DHEA Sulfate - 235.6 ug/dl
DHT - 17.9 ng/dl
Cortisol - 17.4 ug/dl
On this test:
Test - OK?
Free test - Low
Estradiol - Reasonable
SHBG - High
DHEA - high side of scale
DHT - Low side of scale
Cortisol - High
2nd test after a week of a "Clomid challenge" - 50mg / day for one week:
Total test - 745 ng/dl
Free test - 7.78 ng/dl
Estradiol - 21.1 pg/dl
SHBG - 67 nmol/dl
DHEA Sulfate - 339.2 ug/dl
DHT - 29.9 ng/dl
Cortisol - 19.2 ug/dl
On this test:
Test - Better
Free test - Lower
Estradiol - Reasonable
SHBG - Higher
DHEA - high side of scale
DHT - Low side of scale
Cortisol - High
I would like to increase my free testosterone obviously. To me it seems like I would need to decrease my SHBG levels and also decrease my cortisol levels? I'm thinking lowering these levels would lead to an increase in free test and DHT levels? Which would lead to more muscle gains more energy, etc.?
Like I said, I've been dealing with these issues for a few years now. I've tried a long list of supplements (test boosters (max anabol, testofx, super test), triblulus, DAA, Horny goat weed, ZMA, Clomid, citrulline, arginine, pynecogenol, ginseng, gingko, fish oil) but I have yet to try anything that has made a "real difference". ZMA is ok ( I ran out, waiting on more).
Moving forward on the test side, I'm going to try Testo pro ( it has stinging nettle root extract, which is supposed to help free up some test), I'll continue with ZMA, clomid (@ 25 mg /day), and vitamin D, DAA seems worthless, and my other supps are for NO. I'm curious about arimidex, but my Estro seems fine. Not sure what to do about the cortisol?
There seems to be a lot of knowledge on this site, so I'm hoping you guys can help me get to where I want to be. Lifting heavy and getting big. Thanks in advance. All thoughts greatly appreciated.
