Endo pulled me offf TRT after 6 yrs. Alternatives?

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  1. The more I read up on grapefruit, the more I am seeing that those that are on TRT shouldn't consume it because it raises estrogen. In fact several doctors post on their web sites that consumption of grapefruit is prohibited.

    Kind of weird that there is so much conflicting information.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    The more I read up on grapefruit, the more I am seeing that those that are on TRT shouldn't consume it because it raises estrogen. In fact several doctors post on their web sites that consumption of grapefruit is prohibited.Kind of weird that there is so much conflicting information.
    Grape seed extract lower it...
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix
    Grape seed extract lower it...
    Got any studies?

    Srs, not yanking your chain...

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  4. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    The more I read up on grapefruit, the more I am seeing that those that are on TRT shouldn't consume it because it raises estrogen. In fact several doctors post on their web sites that consumption of grapefruit is prohibited.

    Kind of weird that there is so much conflicting information.
    What? I eat grapefruit everyday, keeps me very lean

  5. This is a discussion on the effect of grapefruit on hormones, not weight loss.

    I actually called my doc yesterday to ask what he thought and he left me a long rambling vm that I listened to last night. Basically, he said he doesn't recommend it because of interactions with so many other supplements and drugs, so rather than go down the list, he simply doesn't recommend it. He is aware that it does increase estrogen, but he said that it usually is only a problem with men that are already prone to elevated levels, which can also include patients on TRT. Then followed up with a bunch of technical babble ending with: his only recommendation is to always stay hydrated because dehydration and our CO elevation are going to be more to blame for elevated #s than TRT ever will.

    Combined with that and what I have been reading, I think I am going to stay away and just drink up my water.
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  6. I'm going to continue with the gf. I have another appointment next month. I do know that my e2 for the past year has been between 30-31 with my trt. When I blast 500mg along with 12.5mg stane my e2 is at 30.

    On another note, staying hydrated did nothing for my crit levels. I drink at least a gallon a day and my crit was still high. Pre trt my crit was at 48. A few years ago I decided to stop trt and guess what my crit levels went back down. When I restarted they went right back up. I would have to say TRT and high hematocrit levels are related.

  7. Oh, I'm not suggesting that it isn't or that I am offering any guidance on this. I was just posting what I was told and what I've read. There is plenty out there that shows that grapefruit does lower crit levels, but there is also the chance of raised estrogen. Everyone can decide on their own the best route for them.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Oh, I'm not suggesting that it isn't or that I am offering any guidance on this. I was just posting what I was told and what I've read. There is plenty out there that shows that grapefruit does lower crit levels, but there is also the chance of raised estrogen. Everyone can decide on their own the best route for them.
    You're right.. There is much info on grapefruit it's crazy.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by corvettels3 View Post
    You're right.. There is much info on grapefruit it's crazy.

    http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/co...6/11/5960.full
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  10. I read every word, understood about 30% of it, and now have a headache...

    Very interesting and it looks like they want to take this out of the lab and into clinical trials.

    I'm gonna google me some GSE...

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  11. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Grape seed extract lower it...
    Does grape seed extract help lower hemocrit levels?
    Or were you just referring to its e2 lowering effect?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Able825 View Post
    Does grape seed extract help lower hemocrit levels?
    Or were you just referring to its e2 lowering effect?
    I know people who have to be careful because they have blood clotting issues.
    Dosages are from 600-900 mgs per day from Bro science.
    It would be nice to actually may be formulate a study to see if this may be an alternative.

    Now being involved in the world of research, one learns to validate their claims
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  13. wow, that's a hefty dose.
    thanks matrix.

  14. Going to get me some grape seed extract this week and give it a try......
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