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Hi everyone, hopefully someone can chime in. I'm not a pro where it comes to reading cholesterol ratios, etc.

I used to suffer from low cholesterol. I think I'm ok now? Also, how are my ratios?

Here are my most recent labs:

Cholesterol: 142 mg/dl (<200)

HDL: 41 mg/dl (>40)
LDL: 89 mg/dl (<130)
VLDL: 12 mg/dl (<30)
Triglycerides: 59 mg/dl (<150)

Cholesterol/HDL Ratio: 3.5 (<5)

Should I try to bump up my HDL? Any suggestions based on my labs?
 
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Hi everyone, hopefully someone can chime in. I'm not a pro where it comes to reading cholesterol ratios, etc.

I used to suffer from low cholesterol. I think I'm ok now? Also, how are my ratios?

Here are my most recent labs:

Cholesterol: 142 mg/dl (<200)

HDL: 41 mg/dl (>40)
LDL: 89 mg/dl (<130)
VLDL: 12 mg/dl (<30)
Triglycerides: 59 mg/dl (<15)

Cholesterol/HDL Ratio: 3.5 (<5)

Should I try to bump up my HDL? Any suggestions based on my labs?
Totals levels are too low <150 increases chances of mortaility, depression and hormonal imbalances. Could indicate food intolerance or low bile out put from altered methylation. Gutter PM me if still in usa.
 

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Totals levels are too low <150 increases chances of mortaility, depression and hormonal imbalances. Could indicate food intolerance or low bile out put from altered methylation. Gutter PM me if still in usa.
Not to hijack the thread but this is interesting, do you have any data to read on this? (mine are also very low and I wonder if this is a partial cause of my problems).
 
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Not to hijack the thread but this is interesting, do you have any data to read on this? (mine are also very low and I wonder if this is a partial cause of my problems).
Google low cholesterol suicide
 
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Totals levels are too low <150 increases chances of mortaility, depression and hormonal imbalances. Could indicate food intolerance or low bile out put from altered methylation. Gutter PM me if still in usa.
oh...mines 129 total. But hard to raise cholesterol afaik without eating carbohydrate
 
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oh...mines 129 total. But hard to raise cholesterol afaik without eating carbohydrate
You always have proteins and fats to help spike insulin. One of the reason low is not absorbing fats.. Commonly associated.with fatty.liver
 
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The levels tested in the first post were without any sort of supplementation. I haven't been taking enzymes at all or ox bile as usual.

I've since started again, with every meal. I'm tempted to start up a low dose of ursodiol as well.

Matrix, what are your thoughts on taking metformin and phosphatydilcholine together, to improve possible fatty liver issues. I've also started my super greens back up to help out the gut, and am going to start on Glutamine again to see if it improves digestion, etc *(by aiding intestinal repair). I may also cut out grains again (paleo diet). That's the hardest part.

For anyone reading though - don't get me wrong. I'm hardly worried about my cholesterol levels anymore being in the 140 range. They used to be around 115-120. But I am looking to improve health in any ways possible and the gut is the first and best place to start, as well as the liver. I come from a German background, and have always been told that Germans do not typically have issues with high cholesterol, no matter their diet...so lower cholesterol levels can easily be genetic as well.
 
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Phospho choline is good since it helps.make cholesterol soluble. mtfd1gene mutation is associated with.increased need for PC which is a crucial.part.of.methylation cycle creating more cell.membrane stability.and.integrity. Finding people having mthfr mutations usually having a.mthfd1.along with it. Some.people.may have a bad reaction to.PC because of.other mutations which.may.not.allow them to use.methyl donors efficiently.
 
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Sorry guys!!! To anyone reading this above and quoted below... I did NOT mean to write glucosamine. I meant GLUTAMINE for the gut. I must have been real tired when I wrote that.

The levels tested in the first post were without any sort of supplementation. I haven't been taking enzymes at all or ox bile as usual.

I've since started again, with every meal. I'm tempted to start up a low dose of ursodiol as well.

Matrix, what are your thoughts on taking metformin and phosphatydilcholine together, to improve possible fatty liver issues. I've also started my super greens back up to help out the gut, and am going to start on glucosamine again to see if it improves digestion, etc *(by aiding intestinal repair). I may also cut out grains again (paleo diet). That's the hardest part.

For anyone reading though - don't get me wrong. I'm hardly worried about my cholesterol levels anymore being in the 140 range. They used to be around 115-120. But I am looking to improve health in any ways possible and the gut is the first and best place to start, as well as the liver. I come from a German background, and have always been told that Germans do not typically have issues with high cholesterol, no matter their diet...so lower cholesterol levels can easily be genetic as well.
 
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Phospho choline is good since it helps.make cholesterol soluble. mtfd1gene mutation is associated with.increased need for PC which is a crucial.part.of.methylation cycle creating more cell.membrane stability.and.integrity. Finding people having mthfr mutations usually having a.mthfd1.along with it. Some.people.may have a bad reaction to.PC because of.other mutations which.may.not.allow them to use.methyl donors efficiently.

Yes I've read that. And for those people - NADH and a few other sups combined are the good alternative. Niacin is one of these supplements.


I personally seem to do well on methylfolate. It, and SAMe agree with me. Sometimes I even take them together. I've taken both at very high doses as well. I typically run SAMe at 1600mg daily, when I am on it, and do very well at this level. I have not tried the injectable SAMe though.
 
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Problem i am.running into.with "specialist" dealing with.methylation is they are not.looking at the entire picture. People.run into the honey moon phase which can last 1-2 months then crash. Now the.medical professional has.no.idea on what caused it then start thinking its.something else. sam-e and niacin are counter productive. You are need.methyl donors why deplete them.with niacin?.People have alot to learn about methylation before experiment since it coould ended up.putting some.one into.psyhosis which I had to.deal with from a few cases from.psychiatrist who where not properly educated ..
 
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Niacin and NADH are the alternative I was saying, when people can not tolerate SAMe or Methyfolate (methyl donors).

People who do well with methydonors, but then crash...need to address inflammation in the body and other factors before starting on methydonors again.
 

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Hi everyone, hopefully someone can chime in. I'm not a pro where it comes to reading cholesterol ratios, etc.

I used to suffer from low cholesterol. I think I'm ok now? Also, how are my ratios?

Here are my most recent labs:

Cholesterol: 142 mg/dl (<200)

HDL: 41 mg/dl (>40)
LDL: 89 mg/dl (<130)
VLDL: 12 mg/dl (<30)
Triglycerides: 59 mg/dl (<15)

Cholesterol/HDL Ratio: 3.5 (<5)

Should I try to bump up my HDL? Any suggestions based on my labs?
Do you eat saturated fats and if you do how much?
How is your thyroid?
Question is this, is your body not producing enough or using too much?

Low cholesterol is bad im sure you know that, under 200 it impairs the immune syatem ability to fight infections and diseases properly.
IMO normal levels should be around 220.
 
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Cholesterol at 220 is high. Where are you getting your information from?
142 is not a bad level for some people. If you research different ethnic groups, you will see various baseline levels.

For example: Germans typically have a diet very high in saturated fat. Yet they do not have high cholesterol issues.

I eat 5 whole eggs and a half pound of bacon for breakfast everyday. I do not have a strict diet where it comes to fat. I also don't eat many grains, and bowel movements are very normal. Not fatty or loose. I am not concerned with my cholesterol levels, other than I'd like to increase my HDL. I need to incorporate more EVOO into my diet. I am staying away from Niacin, but this would also be a good option to raise HDL.

To be completely honest with everyone here..... my HDL/LDL ratio was always amazing in the past. I have done several runs with methylated hormones, and since then, they have not bounced back. Working on the ratio is my current #1 concern, as well as possible bile flow issues (bile duct obstruction is #1 issue for anyone who has taken methylated hormones)
 
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When you have methyl issues who.have weaken bile.production. Strange have vast majority of.guys on hrt who.have mthfr have estrogen related issue. its not.just about methyl group its about the down stream reaction which ones need to be concerned with more then anything. Methylation makes hormone replacement therapy look like a walk in the park where you focus on one aspect (which is part of.the puzzle). Methylation is process by which effects every cell and even altering dna expressions which can be life changing where other methods of.therapies have failed ..I see it.complementary approach to helping modern medicine in countless benefits when used correctly
 

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Cholesterol at 220 is high. Where are you getting your information from?
142 is not a bad level for some people. If you research different ethnic groups, you will see various baseline levels.

For example: Germans typically have a diet very high in saturated fat. Yet they do not have high cholesterol issues.

I eat 5 whole eggs and a half pound of bacon for breakfast everyday. I do not have a strict diet where it comes to fat. I also don't eat many grains, and bowel movements are very normal. Not fatty or loose. I am not concerned with my cholesterol levels, other than I'd like to increase my HDL. I need to incorporate more EVOO into my diet. I am staying away from Niacin, but this would also be a good option to raise HDL.

To be completely honest with everyone here..... my HDL/LDL ratio was always amazing in the past. I have done several runs with methylated hormones, and since then, they have not bounced back. Working on the ratio is my current #1 concern, as well as possible bile flow issues (bile duct obstruction is #1 issue for anyone who has taken methylated hormones)
Having low cholesterol is a myth that is healthy. THere are many studies where populations with low cholesterol are sicker than the ones with cholesterol a little over 200.
Sometimes the reason cholesterol is low is of 3 things: either your body wont produce too much(liver problems) or Hyperthyroid will eliminate a good part of it, or your diet is off.
BTW, for a while I had my cholesterol around 150 and I felt crappy and sick. Now that is a little over 200 I have not got sick in 2 years. My wife has a cholesterol of 215 and her HDL is 90! yea 90! She also doesnt get sick either and she is dutch btw.
In order to increase your HDL you most likely need to eat more saturated fat like butter..IMO
That;s how my HDL went up
 
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Having low cholesterol is a myth that is healthy. THere are many studies where populations with low cholesterol are sicker than the ones with cholesterol a little over 200.
Sometimes the reason cholesterol is low is of 3 things: either your body wont produce too much(liver problems) or Hyperthyroid will eliminate a good part of it, or your diet is off.
BTW, for a while I had my cholesterol around 150 and I felt crappy and sick. Now that is a little over 200 I have not got sick in 2 years. My wife has a cholesterol of 215 and her HDL is 90! yea 90! She also doesnt get sick either and she is dutch btw.
In order to increase your HDL you most likely need to eat more saturated fat like butter..IMO
That;s how my HDL went up
You need bile, then you need to find out why it is not flowing properly. Correct the problem at root cause
 
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Having low cholesterol is a myth that is healthy. THere are many studies where populations with low cholesterol are sicker than the ones with cholesterol a little over 200.
Sometimes the reason cholesterol is low is of 3 things: either your body wont produce too much(liver problems) or Hyperthyroid will eliminate a good part of it, or your diet is off.
BTW, for a while I had my cholesterol around 150 and I felt crappy and sick. Now that is a little over 200 I have not got sick in 2 years. My wife has a cholesterol of 215 and her HDL is 90! yea 90! She also doesnt get sick either and she is dutch btw.
In order to increase your HDL you most likely need to eat more saturated fat like butter..IMO
That;s how my HDL went up


Hrm I am not hyperthyroid, my diet is good and I rarely get sick. In fact, I didn't take more than 3 sick days from work last year, and that is fairly typical of me. My immune system is pretty solid. I don't feel 'sickly' with my cholesterol where it is. I feel pretty great.

I guess you didn't see where I wrote about my diet, my saturated fat is pretty high. You need to do more research regarding cholesterol/HDL. Eating lots of olive oil is the best way to raise HDL specifically, not just more saturated fat.
 
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You need bile, then you need to find out why it is not flowing properly. Correct the problem at root cause
Yeah, my main issue I think could possibly be low bile (from methylated hormone use) as my diet is on point fat wise. My stools are dark enough though, so I'm not totally convinced if bile is an issue for me. We will see. My gut is overall in pretty good shape as well (from an inflammation standpoint). I tend to run a moderate and modified paleo diet for the most part but I make exceptions as I don't like to stress too much over things.

I am going to run a low dose of ursodiol and keep up the ox bile / enzyme usage for a while and retest again soon. Overall though I don't feel $hitty, depressed, or have a bad immune system like the previous poster said I should. I feel pretty damn great overall, and have a good life, lots going on and pretty low stress considering everything I am doing. Not everyone is the same.

There are too many people in these anti-aging forums in panic mode, and need to chill out a bit btw. People who are soooo obsessive about numbers, to the point of convincing themselves they have terrible diseases. People who follow these boards need to stop being so OCD, on the verge of being hypochondriacs. There's a fine line.
 
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The quickest turn around on cases are ones who are not contaminated by the internet....
 
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I see people reading and getting paranoid about every little thing. I have to admit, my first year dealing with any issues, I had a lot of stress myself. Best thing I've learned is just to relax, deal with one thing at a time, and the most important factor - that everyone's physiology is extremely different.
 
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Find a competent health practitioner let them worry about it not you. I agree need to.peel away each.layer.of.the onion then see.the whole picture ..
 
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Easier said than done about finding a competent health practitioner - at least in state. Many people don't have the funds to travel for one either, or would prefer not to spend so much out of pocket for a Dr. Thankfully I have medical practitioners in my immediate family and have a good background in many things myself. I've felt comfortable treating many things on my own, and just consulting with people at times.

I have not found one doctor in NYC as of yet, which I feel comfortable in putting all my trust in. The Dr's I have seen have all made comments to me such as "we should hire you to work for us" or "you should have gone into medicine". Some even ask me if I work in the medical field. They are very confused when I tell them I am simply a motion graphics designer and work in video / graphic design. A lot of times I find myself teaching doctors at times. It's been an interesting journey to say the least.

Overall, I feel I do a good job of monitoring my own labs and how I feel where it comes to TRT. Other things, such as methylation, etc, I am consulting on (such as yourself).
 

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There are too many people in these anti-aging forums in panic mode, and need to chill out a bit btw. People who are soooo obsessive about numbers, to the point of convincing themselves they have terrible diseases. People who follow these boards need to stop being so OCD, on the verge of being hypochondriacs. There's a fine line.
I guess you are one of those people. If you are not worried about your numbers then why post about your HDL numbers?lol
 
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I guess you are one of those people. If you are not worried about your numbers then why post about your HDL numbers?lol

Well it's the ratio. And I kinda forgot what the healthy level of cholesterol was. I've been mainly trying to alter my ratio of HDL/LDL, that's what worried me. It's a legitimate concern innit?

I am not worried that total levels at 142 are going to make me kill myself or live a sickly life though with lowered immune system lol. I'm not a paranoid person and don't let things I read online make me fearful or alter how I know I feel. Just because you tell me "oh duuuude your immune system!!" or " google low cholesterol suicide"... doesn't change how I've been living/feeling lol. Sorry dude if I don't buy into your 'need your cholesterol levels at over 220'.
 
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My point though is for people not to believe everything they read online, while it may be true for some people, it's not for all, or even most at times. No offense to Matrix in my previous post. That low chol suicide/depression/etc was based off of studies. The optimal levels being based over 220 is not based on anything though other than your own personal beliefs Vassille.

There is also no perfect range (in any type of hormone, etc) that applies to everyone. Everyone is different and their bodies work differently. Telling someone they need to aim for a specific #, is a bad move and misleading.

Between all the bro-knowledge, semi-facts, and partial facts, people tend to work themselves up and get overly worried on these health/anti-aging boards. I've seen it a lot. That was my only observation I'm trying to get across.

Coming on these boards for opinions, no problems with that. But as long as people know they are just opinions and nobody on these boards represent the medical field in anyway. There is no longer a doctor here as a mod, been ages since then. Everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
 
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My point though is for people not to believe everything they read online, while it may be true for some people, it's not for all, or even most at times. No offense to Matrix in my previous post. That low chol suicide/depression/etc was based off of studies. The optimal levels being based over 220 is not based on anything though other than your own personal beliefs Vassille.

There is also no perfect range (in any type of hormone, etc) that applies to everyone. Everyone is different and their bodies work differently. Telling someone they need to aim for a specific #, is a bad move and misleading.

Between all the bro-knowledge, semi-facts, and partial facts, people tend to work themselves up and get overly worried on these health/anti-aging boards. I've seen it a lot. That was my only observation I'm trying to get across.

Coming on these boards for opinions, no problems with that. But as long as people know they are just opinions and nobody on these boards represent the medical field in anyway. There is no longer a doctor here as a mod, been ages since then. Everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
The whole scenario reminds me of Flint Flintstone episode to where the people where only following the dinosaur, They never looked to see where he was going. The sheeple principle is in full force in many forums. It really depends on who is dictator of the forum depends on what topic will be enforced. I am a person of free will and mind, not a sheeple by any means never will be..
 

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Well it's the ratio. And I kinda forgot what the healthy level of cholesterol was. I've been mainly trying to alter my ratio of HDL/LDL, that's what worried me. It's a legitimate concern innit?

I am not worried that total levels at 142 are going to make me kill myself or live a sickly life though with lowered immune system lol. I'm not a paranoid person and don't let things I read online make me fearful or alter how I know I feel. Just because you tell me "oh duuuude your immune system!!" or " google low cholesterol suicide"... doesn't change how I've been living/feeling lol. Sorry dude if I don't buy into your 'need your cholesterol levels at over 220'.
We all entitled to our opinions I suppose
 

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There is also no perfect range (in any type of hormone, etc) that applies to everyone. Everyone is different and their bodies work differently. Telling someone they need to aim for a specific #, is a bad move and misleading.
Yet you doing it again...then why are you aiming for a better ratio? Arent you going for a specific number in that ratio?

Listen, do yourself a favor and have your liver checked. Stop arguing a mute point. Your ignorance can cost you later in life. You have a potantial problem that needs to be addressed.
The fact that you did some methylated steroids and your total cholesterol plumeted is worrisome. Normally cholesterol does go crazy a little on cycles but does not shut down like that.
 
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Low HDL to LDL is known to be very bad for your cardiovascular system - I'm sure you know this. I don't have a specific number in mind (which was why I was asking here)..all I know is that anyone's HDL should be higher than your LDL. From my own reading (noone even commented on this here) eating a large amount of EVOO will raise HDL. Niacin as well, but not while I'm taking methyfolate as it's not a good combo (already knew this).

I have had my liver checked. I get labs every 4 months or so. My liver values are fine...Again that was only a hunch due to people commenting about bile. Although I am almost certain that simply testing liver values will not give you an idea about bile flow issues. Again though, my stools are dark and solid, which would not be the case of my bile was low. Low bile = light colored stools, fatty stools from indigestion, etc.

I haven't done a single cycle in over a year btw. I never said my total cholesterol plummeted after doing steroids. My total cholesterol was lower than it is now BEFORE I ever touched a single steroid. My total used to be around 115 before. It's my HDL/LDL RATIO as I have already said, that has changed. This can also change on TRT (from arimidex use). I have recently changed over to aromasin use instead.

I guess I did more learning on my own than any recommendations or scare tactics in here. Not one person gave a single good recommendation about how to raise HDL in here or as to what a good HDL/LDL ratio is, and that was my main question. Not that I'm complaining, it's just kinda bs to go telling people they could have all these diseases, instead of just addressing their initial concern.
 
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Low HDL to LDL is known to be very bad for your cardiovascular system - I'm sure you know this. I don't have a specific number in mind (which was why I was asking here)..all I know is that anyone's HDL should be higher than your LDL. From my own reading (noone even commented on this here) eating a large amount of EVOO will raise HDL. Niacin as well, but not while I'm taking methyfolate as it's not a good combo (already knew this).

I have had my liver checked. I get labs every 4 months or so. My liver values are fine...Again that was only a hunch due to people commenting about bile. Although I am almost certain that simply testing liver values will not give you an idea about bile flow issues. Again though, my stools are dark and solid, which would not be the case of my bile was low. Low bile = light colored stools, fatty stools from indigestion, etc.

I haven't done a single cycle in over a year btw. I never said my total cholesterol plummeted after doing steroids. My total cholesterol was lower than it is now BEFORE I ever touched a single steroid. My total used to be around 115 before. It's my HDL/LDL RATIO as I have already said, that has changed. This can also change on TRT (from arimidex use). I have recently changed over to aromasin use instead.

I guess I did more learning on my own than any recommendations or scare tactics in here. Not one person gave a single good recommendation about how to raise HDL in here or as to what a good HDL/LDL ratio is, and that was my main question. Not that I'm complaining, it's just kinda bs to go telling people they could have all these diseases, instead of just addressing their initial concern.
Actually its your HDL and triglycerides which should be looked at. HDL also has subclasses which need to be evaluated.
 
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I'll plan out a strict Paleo diet, increase olive oil intake and will test again in a month or two to see if there are any possible food allergens. A strict Paleo diet should be a good test.

Shawn, I think I'll also do that DNA test (23 and me) and consult the results with you to get on track with a good methylation supplementation protocol.
 
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Can.not correct food allergies till.methylation is balanced. People.food.intolerance are resolving. It all.goes back to the immune system..
 
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The Paleo diet removes any possible food allergies. No need to correct methylation before the allergies if you remove any and all foods which can possibly cause allergies.
 
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Not so true..This is where it gets interesting...I tend to go against the grain of the.normal pushing the.envelope boarding insanity and genius. Once one under stand the complex biochemistry involved it then sees the simplicity.through the vast complexity. Its so obvious ..

jansz after 8 years is.just starting to catch on !!! but he's needs.another decade to catch up lol. I'm way ahead of the game..
 
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Don't get me wrong, I plan on following both courses of action, but a strict paleo diet is something I can act upon immediately. I always feel great on it, just wish it were possible to follow longterm without breaking down at some point haha!!

I love the diet, tons of meat and whole foods, no grains, but it's tough to keep up when out at business meetings, visiting relatives, and that sort of thing. Oh, and I love bacon. I put bacon on everything when I eat paleo!
 
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jansz after 8 years is.just starting to catch on !!! but he's needs.another decade to catch up lol. I'm way ahead of the game..
Oh dude this totally slipped by me before, but what does Jansz have to do with this thread/post? Just wondering. I don't think I've seen him around or spoke to him in years.
 

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Stop wasting people's time.
Now you are on TRT, took arimidex, blah blah blah.....
You should have put ALL information in your initial post!
Besides, you dont listen anyway if someone is challanging your thoughts or ideas. Basically this is a wasted thread and people's time.
Have a good day sir!
 
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His Dr kane thread on atm which is one of the most informative threads, but they are to busy chasing hormones and lab results instead of looking at bigger pics
 
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Stop wasting people's time.
Now you are on TRT, took arimidex, blah blah blah.....
You should have put ALL information in your initial post!
Besides, you dont listen anyway if someone is challanging your thoughts or ideas. Basically this is a wasted thread and people's time.
Have a good day sir!
Matrix already knows this. You have no need to keep posting in here. I am not going to repeat every single details about myself on this forum either just for the noobs to read, I've been here just as long as Matrix (years and years). Goodbye!
 
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His Dr kane thread on atm which is one of the most informative threads, but they are to busy chasing hormones and lab results instead of looking at bigger pics
I don't think I've been on that board or seen that thread to be honest. Not sure who Dr Kane is.
I was just basing the Paleo comment off my own knowledge.

I should add: My hormone levels are great. Really happy with where I am with my TRT/HRT protocol now. If anyone is interested, I can post what my protocol looks like, and how I got there over time. I think it's the best I've ever had it. I'm definitely not chasing numbers there or trying to tweak it anymore. Sticking with where I'm at, as it's never been so good in the past. I've also never really been a chaser in the past year or two, just been going off how I feel (without staring at labs). I've been on TRT for four years and at this point, it's very easy for me to know how certain doses/levels of what I am taking affect how I feel, without looking at labs at all. I've gained a pretty good sense of my body since starting the whole roller coaster ride.
 
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What are current symptoms
what areas would you.like to improve?
Since designing programsbased on epigenetic profiles for cases for cfs, fibro, lyme, cancer, depression, anxiety,neurological issues, autism and many others for doctors the out comes have been life changing for some. Many personal trainers are also seeing the benefits as their clients are starting to loose despite change in exercise
 
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I don't have many current symptoms to be honest. None that I am actively trying to fix.

I am addicted to caffeine, but that's not a symptom haha..it's the reason my adrenals are low at times (and I do take hydrocortisone, I take more on days where I'm less awake/have less sleep, and I stress dose - this is all under control.) I am not going to fool myself and ever think that I will come off of hydrocortisone, or TRT, that won't happen for several reasons. But I have been able to stop taking T3, which is great. I've successfully lowered RT3, and my metabolism is great without any supplementation for thyroid.

Methylation is the one thing I've been looking at again, for overall health and wellbeing. As I was saying, I will be planning on getting the 23 and me testing done and consult..it's just not happening immediately. Maybe in the next month or so.
 

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