Thyroid/Insulin/Cortisol

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  1. The endo said my a1c is 5.23% or "normal"
    He said get the pituitary MRI and consider liposuction.

    I really can't believe that I'm destined for love handles forever. On the other hand, I surely will not have cosmetic fat removal surgery.
    Looks like now I will just go hard into ketosis and maintain that until I burn the fat. Not sure really what else to do. Apparently, "I'm fine" or whatever. But actually, I'm not fine.


  2. if your aim is really body fat reduction only, look into high intensity training and look into doing a cycle with strict keto diet.
    Sometimes I like to do 45min workouts and basically take no more than 30sec rest between sets and exercises. I trim up nicely doing it like that.
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  3. I still think something is wrong metabolically with me. A fasting blood sugar of 99 is pre diabetic. Even the obese endo yesterday acknowledged that and in fact mentioned some docs treat >85 as pre diabetic.
    Gaining 15 lbs in a month by adding carbohydrates is not normal.
    Anyhow, onward I will fight until satisfied with my doctor(s) and my body fat.
    But I wonder if at some point in my life I was Type II diabetic. That might make sense to me.
    Back to <25g carbs

  4. I think you are on the right track of thinking with the 99 being diabetic. From what I've gathered fat burning occurs more around 85 and much less around 99. This is in direct correlation with the insulin glucagon balance.
    This explains why when you go super low carb your body supresses insulin and gives glucagon a chance to start acting on fat burning. I also agree that you do have something wrong with you, methabolic syndrome. This is exactely what it is, cells cant burn glucose properly.
    One thing you can do to aid in this problem is to build as much muscle as you can and keep the receptors on the cells clean by eating a low carb so if you have higher than normal glucose it will be used by the cells for energy instead of floating around in your system.
    If you stay on low carbs long enough like 6 months or more you should see fasting blood sugar around 85. Mine used to be around 99 too and it's dropped down to 80 on occasions but mostly stays in the 80s now but I also build 40lbs of muscle over the years and it helped tremendously in keeping blood glucose more constant. The one thing that just kills me are grains. I stay the heck away from those.

  5. His labs show FT at top of range, and DHT at bottom of range.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by kateean2 View Post
    His labs show FT at top of range, and DHT at bottom of range.

    By FT, are you referring to free testosterone? If so, I'm not sure anything in the 500's is top of the range as the highest in the range is 1100. But I am concerned with the low DHT.
    Will DHT eventually rise as I'm on test cyp injections?
    Also, estradiol seems a bit high as well. I started taking 1 erase pro on Tuesday and Friday after test injections. Hopefully that will have a a lowering effect on estradiol.
    If E2 goes gown, will DHT rise? Or just total test?

  7. Free T is high because SHBG is low. Nothing wrong with that..all this means is that there isnt anything binding to the free T which is a good thing. When Free T keeps going up so is the DHT unless there is an enzyme that's missing or works slow. That's the enzyme which the meds for baldness targets btw.
    By doing a cycle I was more aiming to increase protein synthesis and muscle mass so the cells will get going rather than dealing with DHT. I dont even think there is a problem with DHT.
    Keep E2 around 20

  8. OK, sounds fine then. I shave my head anyway so not concerned with baldness. But thanks for the info

  9. lol safe bet

  10. Have you considered HCG?
    It will maintain your fertility and ball size, raise your thyroid output (lose more fat), increase your TT.
    You can sublingual it (YES you can, I have, with blood lab results), or inject it if you really enjoy that.

  11. Drastic times call for drastic measures. I'd consider hcg or anything else. But not sure I can find a doc to rx it for me

  12. Rx....Rx????? I forgot about prescriptions. R U in LE??

    I am heading to refrig right now, and scrape the labels off my HCG bottles.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.TT View Post
    Rx....Rx????? I forgot about prescriptions. R U in LE??

    I am heading to refrig right now, and scrape the labels off my HCG bottles.
    I don't understand any of this

  14. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post

    I don't understand any of this
    don't feel.bad.neither do.most doctors ...lol
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  15. That is something I can tell right away in my journey. 5 docs, 5 different opinions

    But I was referring to I don't understand what he meant by am I in LE and also about the labels on the hcg.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    Hey guys
    I originally posted my labs in the weight loss section but after some analysis, I think my situation is hormone related. I am seeing an endo (5th doctor thus far) for his analysis.
    Basically, the story is like this:
    I've had "love handles" my entire life, puberty at age 8, fast weight gain from eating any carbs, migraine headaches with vision loss, lethargy/naps. My mother has been on synthyroid her whole life from xray treatments for strep throat as a child. Her whole side of the family was type I diabetic. My father was adopted, so no family history available.
    I was raised vegetarian and ate 90% carbs until I turned about 22. Bagels, bread, cookies, brownies, pasta, chips, peanut butter & jelly sand, cheese pizza, skim milk. That's about all I ever ate because I never knew any better. The only real fat part of me is specifically in the love handles.

    I have been unable to lose love handles no matter what I do. Eating 1500cals/day didn't help. Eating 3000 cals/day didn't help. 16 hr fasting/day didn't help. That just made me not hungry at all.
    Some have looked at my labs and said low thyroid, some have said metabolic syndrome, adrenal fatigue, low cholesterol, pre-diabetic, some have said just make dietary changes. I tried eating carbs the last 3 weeks and gained 15 lbs. (197-->212) I usually eat close to keto. My daily macros have been around 50g carbs, 100g fat, 300g protein.
    workouts 5 days (used to be 7) HIIT, weights. Jump rope, stairs+70lbs, squat 275 a2g, bench 250, palms out pullups x10-12

    Also, cortisol levels were .26 (7am) .09 (12pm), .08(5pm) .06(10pm)
    Currently on test cyp inj for TRT 120/week (50mg tues, 70mg fri)
    age 35, 212lbs now, 5'9 (my brother is 6'4)
    Anyhow, I'd love to hear your input. Thanks


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    Zinc RBC is low which may be due to copper toxicity or inability to absorb zinc from the intestinal tract. Zinc is lowered in pre-diabetic states
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Zinc RBC is low which may be due to copper toxicity or inability to absorb zinc from the intestinal tract. Zinc is lowered in pre-diabetic states
    I've recently been supplementing with zinc. Hopefully this will help. One of the 5 docs I've been to thinks that elevating my test and DHT levels will correct most of my problems.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    You can try it, if you have no success in fixing the problem at the cell level with other means. I'd use metforming as last resort. Problem is that if the cells are damaged what's metforming going to do... mask the problem even more....!
    it ends up causing b-12 and other imbalances. Look for the cause not the symptoms.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    I've recently been supplementing with zinc. Hopefully this will help. One of the 5 docs I've been to thinks that elevating my test and DHT levels will correct most of my problems.
    This Dr at least knows something from testing which has been ran. Kudos to him ...Still needs to dig deeper, but on right track.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  20. Definitely avoiding metformin unless I have to go on. Still not sure why an endo would give me metformin on a keto diet. I guess I'm going back the the endo I first went to, doc #2. He rx'd me the test and hasn't seen all my other blood work. He did order a pituitary MRI and I'm doing that tomorrow. So we'll see what comes out of it.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    Definitely avoiding metformin unless I have to go on. Still not sure why an endo would give me metformin on a keto diet. I guess I'm going back the the endo I first went to, doc #2. He rx'd me the test and hasn't seen all my other blood work. He did order a pituitary MRI and I'm doing that tomorrow. So we'll see what comes out of it.
    Most.of this can be controlled through lifestyles and stress management the insulin issues. Drugs replace lifestyle changes basically encourages worse habits. "Dr x my blood sugar was 141 this.morning" drs reply "double up.on glipzide " instead of "stop eating a bowl of icecream and cake before going to bed".
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Most.of this can be controlled through lifestyles and stress management the insulin issues. Drugs replace lifestyle changes basically encourages worse habits. "Dr x my blood sugar was 141 this.morning" drs reply "double up.on glipzide " instead of "stop eating a bowl of icecream and cake before going to bed".
    I like this one and sad thing is that it is true.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    Definitely avoiding metformin unless I have to go on. Still not sure why an endo would give me metformin on a keto diet. I guess I'm going back the the endo I first went to, doc #2. He rx'd me the test and hasn't seen all my other blood work. He did order a pituitary MRI and I'm doing that tomorrow. So we'll see what comes out of it.
    That puzzled me too because there is very little need for metforming on this diet. Fat uses a different pathway to produce energy through the cell and protein uses much less insulin than glucose does. So im not sure what is your doc thinking.
    In your case I'd like to see your hormones towards the top end if you are using HRT. For test keep it around 800-1000 and for thyroid go by feel. If you start to shake and have heart palpitations then back off dosage.
    And also pay attention to your digestive track, the better you absorb nutrients the better. Matrix is on point with his advice too.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    That puzzled me too because there is very little need for metforming on this diet. Fat uses a different pathway to produce energy through the cell and protein uses much less insulin than glucose does. So im not sure what is your doc thinking.
    In your case I'd like to see your hormones towards the top end if you are using HRT. For test keep it around 800-1000 and for thyroid go by feel. If you start to shake and have heart palpitations then back off dosage.
    And also pay attention to your digestive track, the better you absorb nutrients the better. Matrix is on point with his advice too.
    GI recovery I have seen when people Gi tracts are properly taken care of is remarkable. I had a client who was taking allpurinol which is basically battery acid to the GI tract for 6 years. After a year of heavy gut rebalancing, balancing his hormoness he has been able to sit on his can not goto the gym for three months still getting leaner and healthier as time goes on. I eat 2000 calories a day, but have trained my body to have it assimilate it if it was 3000 plus. Eating 4 meals a day 1500-2000 calories a day on average maintaining at 210 lean physique still be able to squat 405 for 10-12 reps approaching 40 years old..Must be doing something right Actually looking to publish a paper on GI protocols with in the next 6 months to a year having over a decade of research involved ..
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    GI recovery I have seen when people Gi tracts are properly taken care of is remarkable. I had a client who was taking allpurinol which is basically battery acid to the GI tract for 6 years. After a year of heavy gut rebalancing, balancing his hormoness he has been able to sit on his can not goto the gym for three months still getting leaner and healthier as time goes on. I eat 2000 calories a day, but have trained my body to have it assimilate it if it was 3000 plus. Eating 4 meals a day 1500-2000 calories a day on average maintaining at 210 lean physique still be able to squat 405 for 10-12 reps approaching 40 years old..Must be doing something right Actually looking to publish a paper on GI protocols with in the next 6 months to a year having over a decade of research involved ..
    If you have the time, I'm really interested in this Gi recovery work.

    By GI recovery, are you talking about correcting flora imbalances?

    How might one determine the need for GI recovery, and how would they go about this without the help of a mastermind like yourself?

    Any level of detail is appreciated.
    My parents created my body, in which I create my mind. I will honor them, by developing both to their utmost potential.
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