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    Just started the Androgel 1.62% after being on injections for a year, and so far I hate the stuff. Makes me very irritable and angry at 2 pumps/day. I'll stay on it for another week or two, and then it's back to shots if things don't get any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle
    Just started the Androgel 1.62% after being on injections for a year, and so far I hate the stuff. Makes me very irritable and angry at 2 pumps/day. I'll stay on it for another week or two, and then it's back to shots if things don't get any better.
    By the way, I still think Testim is better, but it's way more expensive. Anyone know if they make a Testim pump yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle

    By the way, I still think Testim is better, but it's way more expensive. Anyone know if they make a Testim pump yet?
    Testim is great, but who wants to smell like an 80 year old women? Many more options available such as Axiron which in my opinion is the best transdermal on the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle View Post
    Just started the Androgel 1.62% after being on injections for a year, and so far I hate the stuff. Makes me very irritable and angry at 2 pumps/day. I'll stay on it for another week or two, and then it's back to shots if things don't get any better.
    Why did you switch from injections? It seems most guys switch from transdermals to injections.

    Quote Originally Posted by rfarns01 View Post
    Testim is great, but who wants to smell like an 80 year old women? Many more options available such as Axiron which in my opinion is the best transdermal on the market.
    I used Axiron for a while and you may be right, but the problem I had is that unless my underarms were very dry before application it would turn white and flake off after a short time. It's also a little messy. I usually ended up with it running down my sides.

    One advantage of injections is not having to worry about transferring it to someone else, and not needing to schedule showers, swimming and sex around testosterone application times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJE View Post
    Why did you switch from injections? It seems most guys switch from transdermals to injections.



    I used Axiron for a while and you may be right, but the problem I had is that unless my underarms were very dry before application it would turn white and flake off after a short time. It's also a little messy. I usually ended up with it running down my sides.

    One advantage of injections is not having to worry about transferring it to someone else, and not needing to schedule showers, swimming and sex around testosterone application times.

    Good point...If it ain't broke why fix it?
    Why not use compounded gels which will use less volume. If you get a good compounder then you will be good.

    I know people who are extremely intelligent, but just lack common sense...
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    Im on 4 pumps a day and feeling pretty good. Wont be doing follow up bloodwork until spring unless i ask otherwise. With insurance i only pay $30 a month for two bottles. If anything ever changes though ill just hop on the shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJE View Post
    Why did you switch from injections? It seems most guys switch from transdermals to injections.
    +1

    That was my first thought as well.

    What happened?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post

    I know people who are extremely intelligent, but just lack common sense...
    Off topic, but my good friend graduated from Harvard and is about the most useless person in the world when it comes to everyday processes and thinking. But, she'll kick your butt in a trivia contest. LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather
    Im on 4 pumps a day and feeling pretty good. Wont be doing follow up bloodwork until spring unless i ask otherwise. With insurance i only pay $30 a month for two bottles. If anything ever changes though ill just hop on the shot.
    Through my insurance it's $80 for 3 bottles of Androgel 1.62, $30 for 3 200ml vials of Test enanthate, and $450 for 3 months worth of Testim gel!!!

    I'm really curious to see what my blood results will be with the 1.62% Androgel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle

    Through my insurance it's $80 for 3 bottles of Androgel 1.62, $30 for 3 200ml vials of Test enanthate, and $450 for 3 months worth of Testim gel!!!

    I'm really curious to see what my blood results will be with the 1.62% Androgel.
    Just to echo, why switch to the more expensive transdermal from shots? Did you not like the shots?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tenntarheel

    Just to echo, why switch to the more expensive transdermal from shots? Did you not like the shots?
    The shots were driving up my e2 too much, even at low dose. And even though I asked so many times for an AI, every endo I've talked to says no. I was always happier and had a way better sex drive on Testim, so my new endo prescribed Androgel 1.62. I've tried the research Anastrozol in pill and liquid form, but I just don't trust the quality or dosage. The liquid made me really sick every time I took it, so I'm very cautious about research chems anymore.

    There are times once in a while that I feel perfect and exactly where I wanna be, and I think to myself "I better rush to the hospital and get tested to see where my levels are!!!" haha TRT has successfully treated (or masked) a lot of problems I was having, but it has also given me problems I never had before.
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    AROMASIN might have agreed with you better.
    A years worth of generic costs $60.

    What were your E2 levels???? Were you pinning twice a week?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.TT
    AROMASIN might have agreed with you better.
    A years worth of generic costs $60.

    What were your E2 levels???? Were you pinning twice a week?
    Levels were staying in upper 40's. I started pinning 3 times a week at 25mg each time, and that seemed to help. I would like to try Aromasin, can't find the research stuff though. No one will prescribe it to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle View Post
    Levels were staying in upper 40's. I started pinning 3 times a week at 25mg each time, and that seemed to help. I would like to try Aromasin, can't find the research stuff though. No one will prescribe it to me.
    With 3x a week, how does that affect scar tissue build up? It seems like I read about that a lot, so I'm curious, especially since I do 1 shot every 2 weeks, and have considered splitting it into once a week. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle View Post
    Levels were staying in upper 40's. I started pinning 3 times a week at 25mg each time, and that seemed to help. I would like to try Aromasin, can't find the research stuff though. No one will prescribe it to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle View Post
    The shots were driving up my e2 too much, even at low dose. And even though I asked so many times for an AI, every endo I've talked to says no. I was always happier and had a way better sex drive on Testim, so my new endo prescribed Androgel 1.62. I've tried the research Anastrozol in pill and liquid form, but I just don't trust the quality or dosage. The liquid made me really sick every time I took it, so I'm very cautious about research chems anymore.
    It's interesting that you would have more problems with E2 on injections than transdermals. Most guys I know who have switched from transdermals to injections was because of high E2 on transdermals. Transdermals cause E2 problems because you are rubbing it right over the fat where the aromatase enzyme is produced. I think that the reason guys have trouble with E2 with injections is usually because of too large of a dose causing too large a testosterone spike.

    If you could find a doctor to prescribe it you can get generic anastrozole pretty cheap and you wouldn't have to worry about quality.

    Quote Originally Posted by pcn View Post
    With 3x a week, how does that affect scar tissue build up? It seems like I read about that a lot, so I'm curious, especially since I do 1 shot every 2 weeks, and have considered splitting it into once a week. Thanks!
    I did HCG mono for about nine months giving myself daily sub Q injections with no problem with scar tissue. When I started testosterone injections I did them IM with a 31g needle twice a week, but have recently switched to injecting sub Q every other day. A 31g needle hardly even makes a hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJE
    A 31g needle hardly even makes a hole.
    Haha when I first started injecting they gave me 20g needles, and I used them for about five months before switching to 23g.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle View Post
    Haha when I first started injecting they gave me 20g needles, and I used them for about five months before switching to 23g.
    Ive done 21g in the delts before!
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    So are you guys saying that scar tissue build up isnt a concern, or that it is not so much if smaller needles are used? It just seems like I've read from guys with multiple cycles that it was, and now thinking about TRT actually injecting more times than they do that it could be. FWIW, I use a 22g x 1-1/2 in the quad. Started with that in the glutes but my coordination is better at hitting my leg. I should find some 1" but the local pharmacy doesnt stock them so I just stop 1/2" short now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcn
    So are you guys saying that scar tissue build up isnt a concern, or that it is not so much if smaller needles are used? It just seems like I've read from guys with multiple cycles that it was, and now thinking about TRT actually injecting more times than they do that it could be. FWIW, I use a 22g x 1-1/2 in the quad. Started with that in the glutes but my coordination is better at hitting my leg. I should find some 1" but the local pharmacy doesnt stock them so I just stop 1/2" short now.
    Damn man! Just use a 25 or 27 gauge. Some guys here go even smaller but I think 25 is just right. If you're worried about scar tissue, then trash those 22s or just use them for drawing up the test. Plus with a nice small needle, you can inject delts, bis, tris, calves. You could spread the injections out so much that you won't really worry about scar tissue
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    I'll look into it, I was just using what the doc recommeded to start with. I draw with an 18, and the 22 doesn't bother me at all, but alternate sites would be something to look into with a smaller needle. Thanks!
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    Man 1-2 shots a week of teste or cyp is SOOO much easyer.
    after a few pins its nothing.

    and if your in EU you can even get testundec (nibido) *spelling* and after building levels and leveling them out evenutally you would even do 1 shot every 2-3 months with no issue. (takes a lil while to get here though)

    even 1X a week for teste or cyp is less hassle then cream EVERY damn day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle View Post
    Haha when I first started injecting they gave me 20g needles, and I used them for about five months before switching to 23g.
    To quote someone in another forum, "A 20g needle isn't an injecting device, it's a harpoon".

    I have given myself hundreds of HCG injections with a 31g and have had no noticeable scar tissue whatsoever. I am doing my test cyp injections with a 31g sub q. I read that you can't draw testosterone with such a small needle, but I have no problem at all. It takes a minute or two but that isn't an issue.

    A 31g is only about half the diameter of a 25g so you hardly notice anything at all when inserting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcn View Post
    I'll look into it, I was just using what the doc recommeded to start with. I draw with an 18, and the 22 doesn't bother me at all, but alternate sites would be something to look into with a smaller needle. Thanks!
    I Draw with 22 shot with 29 .. : )
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    Quote Originally Posted by tenntarheel View Post
    Damn man! Just use a 25 or 27 gauge. Some guys here go even smaller but I think 25 is just right. If you're worried about scar tissue, then trash those 22s or just use them for drawing up the test. Plus with a nice small needle, you can inject delts, bis, tris, calves. You could spread the injections out so much that you won't really worry about scar tissue
    I bought some 25g x 5/8 this weekend and gave it a try. To be honest, I'm not sure I could tell a difference in feel between the 22 and 25, other than the 25 was much shorter and did seem to take much longer to push the 1cc through it. In the past I have had some pain a day or 2 later from the 22, so I will keep using the 25 and see if it works for that part, as it seems to have done at least that. Thanks for the recommendation.
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    Hey guys

    Do u know if 1.62 can be applied over tattoos? :/ I'm all done up on upper arms and shoulders... Dr said to apply to stomach... But label is explicit in saying Not to.. Sooo what do I do!? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza
    Hey guys

    Do u know if 1.62 can be applied over tattoos? :/ I'm all done up on upper arms and shoulders... Dr said to apply to stomach... But label is explicit in saying Not to.. Sooo what do I do!? Thanks!

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    I do without any problem. I apply most of it on the side flanks of my torso and the little bit remaining on my shoulders. I do get shoulder pain if I put too much on them for too long a period. It's weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather

    I do without any problem. I apply most of it on the side flanks of my torso and the little bit remaining on my shoulders. I do get shoulder pain if I put too much on them for too long a period. It's weird.

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    Cool thanks man.. So avoid the tats then? I see u have a few on your arms but I'm half sleeved on both now
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    Nah i just rub it right over them without any problem. Ill also rub some lotion on sometimes a few minutes after. From what ive read its actually supposed to help absorption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather
    Nah i just rub it right over them without any problem. Ill also rub some lotion on sometimes a few minutes after. From what ive read its actually supposed to help absorption.
    Nice thanks again
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