TRT and E2

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj
    Personally, I would not think of going on TRT at 24 with 400 level test. You don't say what the scale was that they are using, but either way, I don't think that is low enough to think about a lifelong treatment- without completely ruling out anything else. Stress, overtraining, not eating right, poor sleep, etc are all contributors to low test. Let alone other internal factors like thyroid, pituatary, etc..

    It is a long, detailed process to get to bottom of it, and doctors are all too happy to just give you a test to check your levels and then just throw you on it, without knowing if it is actually needed. Take this seriously, ask a lot of questions, and do your own homework. I researched and studied this topic for the year that I was going for testing and always blew the specialist away by asking things that most people wouldn't know. They took me much more serious that way.

    Good luck.
    Thanks. They r definitely going to dig deep n i want to rule out all other options before taking that step to trt. I've been reading lots too and this is just part of my research. Thanks again


  2. No problem. Just don't want to see young guys getting on something for longer than they need. That being said, if you truly do need to go the TRT route- it is a life changer for the better.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj
    No problem. Just don't want to see young guys getting on something for longer than they need. That being said, if you truly do need to go the TRT route- it is a life changer for the better.
    For sure. I don't wish have problems but I have s poor medical history of anorexia at age 16-18 and I think it's catching up. They're checking for auto immune inflammatory diseases as well as thyroid problems.. So the low t score is just one piece of this puzzle. Just made my endo apt for Tuesday afternoon so by this time next week will hopefully know more.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    For sure. I don't wish have problems but I have s poor medical history of anorexia at age 16-18 and I think it's catching up. They're checking for auto immune inflammatory diseases as well as thyroid problems.. So the low t score is just one piece of this puzzle. Just made my endo apt for Tuesday afternoon so by this time next week will hopefully know more.
    I'm 27 and on TRT. Been almost a year now since starting. I'll say this, if you are concerned about starting a family, with being so young, I'd look in to Clomid if anything.

    Given what you have shared, you may find that a lot of your "issues" may be "fixed" or, made better through, overcoming your fears of gaining a bit of fat. Not to say that anyone should set out with a goal of getting fat, but you may be missing key nutrients due to your avoidance of certain foods and products.

    I would look for a good urologist who specializes in fertility and discuss this with him, should having a family be something you are wanting for your future.

    I definitely feel better on TRT as opposed to off, but it's certainly not something I'd wish for myself at our age. I had chemotherapy and corresponding hormone issues for a few years now. I have a beautiful little girl and another girl on the way. For me, the injections have been a good decision...if I can get past this hair shedding thing! ; )

    Take care man, hope you get feeling better.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by lboston

    I'm 27 and on TRT. Been almost a year now since starting. I'll say this, if you are concerned about starting a family, with being so young, I'd look in to Clomid if anything.

    Given what you have shared, you may find that a lot of your "issues" may be "fixed" or, made better through, overcoming your fears of gaining a bit of fat. Not to say that anyone should set out with a goal of getting fat, but you may be missing key nutrients due to your avoidance of certain foods and products.

    I would look for a good urologist who specializes in fertility and discuss this with him, should having a family be something you are wanting for your future.

    I definitely feel better on TRT as opposed to off, but it's certainly not something I'd wish for myself at our age. I had chemotherapy and corresponding hormone issues for a few years now. I have a beautiful little girl and another girl on the way. For me, the injections have been a good decision...if I can get past this hair shedding thing! ; )

    Take care man, hope you get feeling better.
    Thank you! Yes I have a serious gf of two years and she is concern about that as am I. I will mention clomid and fertility concerns to the dr.

    I definitely have corrected my eating issues and it's only been a few months but I notice SLIGHT improvement despite a lower overall T score.. I'm sure once the issue is pinpointed I will be feeling great and I will do whatever is necessary
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    Thank you! Yes I have a serious gf of two years and she is concern about that as am I. I will mention clomid and fertility concerns to the dr.

    I definitely have corrected my eating issues and it's only been a few months but I notice SLIGHT improvement despite a lower overall T score.. I'm sure once the issue is pinpointed I will be feeling great and I will do whatever is necessary
    No prob man. I know it stinks to be in your twenties and feel like there's something missing in your youth.

    Just don't let anyone tell you that TRT won't shut you down and make you infertile. After about six-nine months on my LH and FSH was <.01 on the scale. Meaning, the boys are outta business!

    Although they say you can recover, which is true, I've read that fertility can be adversely affected for years afterwards. Just stay cognizant of that.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by lboston

    No prob man. I know it stinks to be in your twenties and feel like there's something missing in your youth.

    Just don't let anyone tell you that TRT won't shut you down and make you infertile. After about six-nine months on my LH and FSH was <.01 on the scale. Meaning, the boys are outta business!

    Although they say you can recover, which is true, I've read that fertility can be adversely affected for years afterwards. Just stay cognizant of that.
    Well that is where I believe my issue is stemming from- at age 16-18 I was anorexic and nearly died. Alongthe way, about a year in, I stopped producing semen. Nothing came out when I would orgasm... Leading me to believe that other things lkke sperm, testosterone, and other hormones Ike LH FSH etc were Not being produced. I believe firmly that I never fully recovered or began producing these hormones efficiently, if at all, following this traumatic condition.

  8. remember- fat is your friend!

  9. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj
    remember- fat is your friend!
    Oh I know. I'm Eating nuts daily despite the fact they promote estrogen.. Only like 1 or 2 servings.. Usually have one whole
    Avocado for a day. Lots of salmon, cheese, all cooking done w olive oil, natty pb. The list goes on. Diet is no longer the problem for sure. I went from less than 30g carbs a day to about 200 a day now. I hadn't had a sandwich in like 7 years that's not a joke.. Now I have two for dinner sometimes lol

  10. Nuts increase estrogen?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle
    Nuts increase estrogen?
    Some... Mostly seeds like sunflower or soy nuts or pumpkin seeds etc

  12. This has already been said, look into everything, you are way to young for TRT, unless this is your only solution. As suggested, try clomid therapy , etc. before you go down the TRT path.
    "Pain is weakness leaving the body"

  13. Quote Originally Posted by alpinecoach
    This has already been said, look into everything, you are way to young for TRT, unless this is your only solution. As suggested, try clomid therapy , etc. before you go down the TRT path.
    What can clomid therapy accomplish? Lowering estrogen? Or stimulating test synthesis? Or im wY off lol

  14. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    What can clomid therapy accomplish? Lowering estrogen? Or stimulating test synthesis? Or im wY off lol
    Clomid is interesting. Essentially, from my understanding, it signals for your body to produce more estrogen. It raises estrogen, thus signals your body to produce more testosterone to balance that out. However, I believe it binds to the estrogen receptors which is why men typically don't get the negative physical sides that would accompany high E (other than some emotional issues, case dependent).

    Again, that's what I think...someone more versed may chime in.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Like I really cAnt eat a lot of carbs without gaining fat
    What you may want to do is to check you blood sugar as well as do a glucose tolerance test to rule out type 2 diabetes. Type 2 diabetes and low test seem to run together in a good majority of cases.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by vassille

    What you may want to do is to check you blood sugar as well as do a glucose tolerance test to rule out type 2 diabetes. Type 2 diabetes and low test seem to run together in a good majority of cases.
    Whenever my glucose Is checked it's always in 60-80.. I follow IF so I fast for about 14-16 hours a day n there is no history of diabetes in my fam. The only sugar I get is from fruit and vegs. I really dont eat anything processed, and only drink water and milk lol

  17. Clomid binds to estrogen receptors on the pituitary gland and imitates estrogen. Your pituitary sees the clomid as estrogen signalling to release LH and FSH which stimulate your balls to make test and sperm.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by v4lu3s
    Clomid binds to estrogen receptors on the pituitary gland and imitates estrogen. Your pituitary sees the clomid as estrogen signalling to release LH and FSH which stimulate your balls to make test and sperm.
    Got it makes sense

  19. Quote Originally Posted by v4lu3s
    Clomid binds to estrogen receptors on the pituitary gland and imitates estrogen. Your pituitary sees the clomid as estrogen signalling to release LH and FSH which stimulate your balls to make test and sperm.
    Much more accurate than what I attempted to say!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    What can clomid therapy accomplish? Lowering estrogen? Or stimulating test synthesis? Or im wY off lol
    it's really an interesting drug. i have been on low dose clomid (12.5 mg three times/week) and my test levels and lh have responded really well. i have a thread going if you want to read it. the reason i like the clomid option instead of more traditional trt is you are using your own body and delaying (hopefully for a long time) the need for test from an outside source which leads to other issues that have to be addressed.
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