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  1. That doesn't make sense. Exogenous test = zero endogenous test. It doesn't ADD to your bodys test it replaces it...hence the term TRT


  2. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    That doesn't make sense. Exogenous test = zero endogenous test. It doesn't ADD to your bodys test it replaces it...hence the term TRT
    Lol no it does not ya jack ass! ; )

    Endogenous is in the body and exogenous is out of the body.

    Endogenous is something made in your body. Exogenous is something made outside.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    That doesn't make sense. Exogenous test = zero endogenous test. It doesn't ADD to your bodys test it replaces it...hence the term TRT
    Women don't even have 0 endogenous test bud.
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  4. Omigod....is this conversation really happening?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    Omigod....is this conversation really happening?
    What do you mean? You asked...
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  6. lol...

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    What do you mean? You asked...
    when you take in any amount of exogenous test, your body will stop producing test on its own....so you should be around zero (just a random figure meaning "not much at all")....so all you are left with? is whatever you are taking in from injections or gel or cream is basically what you are working with for test. I even asked last month about taking test boosters like DAA or fadogia while on TRT and pretty much everybody said don't bother since you won't be able to make any endogenous test (not sure how accurate this is...but...). If I could keep whatever I'm producing plus whatever I am taking in externally as far as test goes...I'd be very happy believe me. my QUESTION was...."why would ABv3 or SD or AHv3 throw off my testosterone #'s when I get blood work." I want a reading of whatever the gel is giving me (and whatever my body is producing if any at all) so I don't want to be taking anything that would interfere with the test results. I can stop any of it a week or more shy of the test, and probably will...but I want an explanation as to WHY they would impact my testosterone reading if my testosterone is exogenous....THAT is the question

  8. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    That doesn't make sense. Exogenous test = zero endogenous test. It doesn't ADD to your bodys test it replaces it...hence the term TRT
    people are prescribed TRT for a given low range. Depending on the clinic that can be anywhere below 550. When someone on trt with 550 gets a test cyp injection of 100 mg, they are not immediately at 0 and in a lot of patients that doesn't happen for quite some time, if ever. Which is one of the reasons they monitor your levels, to adjust for your endogenous testosterone to shut down, not just E2 etc...

    A PH cycle will very rarely shut anyone down to 0.

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    Endogenous = body created - testosterone, insulin, melatonin, etc... Made in the body

    Exogenous = external creation - testosterone, insulin, etc... Synthetic derivatives, "bio identical hormones" (lab created), sometimes pulled from cadavers, bovine or other sources BUT still NOT made in YOUR body.

    I don't know where the misunderstanding is. Not being a dick, I hope you know me better than that by now man.
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  9. you are a total idiot, I'm done with this stupidity. I know what exogenous and endogenous mean, and have "been knowing" since probably before you were born moron. so shove that straight up your ass. and as for you not understanding this concept? go do some more research and come back when you understand WTF the adults are talking about.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    when you take in any amount of exogenous test, your body will stop producing test on its own....so you should be around zero (just a random figure meaning "not much at all")....so all you are left with? is whatever you are taking in from injections or gel or cream is basically what you are working with for test. I even asked last month about taking test boosters like DAA or fadogia while on TRT and pretty much everybody said don't bother since you won't be able to make any endogenous test (not sure how accurate this is...but...). If I could keep whatever I'm producing plus whatever I am taking in externally as far as test goes...I'd be very happy believe me. my QUESTION was...."why would ABv3 or SD or AHv3 throw off my testosterone #'s when I get blood work." I want a reading of whatever the gel is giving me (and whatever my body is producing if any at all) so I don't want to be taking anything that would interfere with the test results. I can stop any of it a week or more shy of the test, and probably will...but I want an explanation as to WHY they would impact my testosterone reading if my testosterone is exogenous....THAT is the question
    Ok I think I see the problem... Scratch natural test, throw it out the window.

    Andro gel (no idea conversion rate dosages whatever) - 500 ng/dl

    Any Andro Series (again we DON'T know exact figures) - 600 ng/dl

    Total of the two - 1100 ng/dl

    = skewed results

    Dr. sees your levels as being high dials back your dose end result, ****ing you.

    Andro series products MAY increase your test. They most certainly have in other customers, I've witnessed it. Labs and everything we're talking +1900.

    SD more than likely won't bump your test levels but again I haven't really looked into SD like I have the DHEA metabolites.

    Not worth it, you're taking about setting yourself back months while figuring out what your dosages for TRT should be. Just cycle off prior.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    you are a total idiot, I'm done with this stupidity. I know what exogenous and endogenous mean, and have "been knowing" probably before you were born moron. so shove that straight up your ass. and as for you not understanding this concept? go do some more research and come back when you understand WTF the adults are talking about.
    Lol... Rough night bro? I was writing all that on my phone. Talk about time wasted.

    Just trying to help.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Lol... Rough night bro? I was writing all that on my phone. Talk about time wasted.

    Just trying to help.
    you're the one that came up in here, didn't understand the question nor the concepts behind it, and then proceed to post definitions of words for me that I used in this very thread properly about 100 times. thats total bullshyt.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Ok I think I see the problem... Scratch natural test, throw it out the window.

    Andro gel (no idea conversion rate dosages whatever) - 500 ng/dl

    Any Andro Series (again we DON'T know exact figures) - 600 ng/dl

    Total of the two - 1100 ng/dl

    = skewed results

    Dr. sees your levels as being high dials back your dose end result, ****ing you.

    Andro series products MAY increase your test. They most certainly have in other customers, I've witnessed it. Labs and everything we're talking +1900.

    SD more than likely won't bump your test levels but again I haven't really looked into SD like I have the DHEA metabolites.

    Not worth it, you're taking about setting yourself back months while figuring out what your dosages for TRT should be. Just cycle off prior.
    OH now you decide to understand the concept here. I don't see any way SD will negatively or positively affect my test levels since there is no endogenous test for it to crush. the DHEA products I will discontinue before testing....but matt porter said that the 1 and 4DHEA don't add to total test, or negligible at best....dermacrine I think will caused elevated test readings....AHv3 as far as I know only converts to DHT.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    you are a total idiot, I'm done with this stupidity. I know what exogenous and endogenous mean, and have "been knowing" since probably before you were born moron. so shove that straight up your ass. and as for you not understanding this concept? go do some more research and come back when you understand WTF the adults are talking about.
    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    you're the one that came up in here, didn't understand the question nor the concepts behind it, and then proceed to post definitions of words for me that I used in this very thread properly about 100 times. thats total bullshyt.
    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    OH now you decide to understand the concept here. I don't see any way SD will negatively or positively affect my test levels since there is no endogenous test for it to crush. the DHEA products I will discontinue before testing....but matt porter said that the 1 and 4DHEA don't add to total test, or negligible at best....dermacrine I think will caused elevated test readings....AHv3 as far as I know only converts to DHT.
    You may want to get your estrogen levels checked as well, this shít came off real emotional. Later
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    You may want to get your estrogen levels checked as well, this shít came off real emotional. Later
    when you react like that to somebody who is posting the same wrong shyt time after time, and whats worse is trying to tell YOU that YOU are the idiot....its called "getting really pissed/frustrated"....NOT "emotional". there, now you know the difference.

  16. ^

    The bird is at war (Angry birds)

    -Matt

  17. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter
    ^

    The bird is at war (Angry birds)

    -Matt
    You may be on to something...Angry Birds.....juiced edition!

  18. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    ^

    The bird is at war (Angry birds)

    -Matt
    well will the ABv3 or AHv3 skew the testosterone results or not? Don't piss me off with the wrong answer either LMFAO

  19. I Kill it on angry birds BTW.....cleared the original, seasons, RIO.....the space version I haven't cleared, sort of stopped playing since I have had classes the last 3 semesters so I need to study or read instead of playing angry birds in my free time at work LOL....

  20. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    when you react like that to somebody who is posting the same wrong shyt time after time, and whats worse is trying to tell YOU that YOU are the idiot....its called "getting really pissed/frustrated"....NOT "emotional". there, now you know the difference.
    I posted the wrong ****? Lol! Go buy some DAA to help with trt ; )
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    I posted the wrong ****? Lol! Go buy some DAA to help with trt ; )
    yeah you're the idiot who posted that TRT test plus "natural test" (to put it in idiot/your terms) = total test LMFAO.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Dude... They don't test for exogenous vs endogenous. I think that's where you're hung up. If you're on Andro gel, then that, on top of your normal levels is what it will read.

    Here lets say:

    You BL (base line) = 260 ng/dl

    They rx you 2mg (not very familiar with gel dosages since I think they are worthless).

    That 2mg bumps you up 560 ng/dl which will equal end result 820 ng/dl total test.
    bump this.

  23. who is the idiot?

  24. you = no fcking idea WTF you are talking about, not even basic 101 stuff.

    me = asking questions about PP products or test boosters or whatever, and how they effect TRT, if at all.

    all that = you + idiot.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    yeah you're the idiot who posted that TRT test plus "natural test" (to put it in idiot/your terms) = total test LMFAO.
    Dude, how old are you? Saying the adults are talking...? You're throwing a fit like my 4 year old.

    You forgot to add my other posts. What test has a way of deciphering in your body exogenous testosterone and endogenous testosterone? Until you are completely shut down, which again, does not happen immediately it is the total testosterone in your body that shows up on the blood test. Which again is another reason for varying dosages.


    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    you = no fcking idea WTF you are talking about, not even basic 101 stuff.

    me = asking questions about PP products or test boosters or whatever, and how they effect TRT, if at all.

    all that = you + idiot.
    Really? Just going to flame and call me an idiot? Good point. You're a joke dude. Enjoy Andropause...

    Also, google and find a clinic that offers a blood test that differentiates testosterone levels exo vs endo. Until then you just sound like an upset child.
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