How to add Pp products to you Anti-Aging Medicines.
- 09-11-2012, 02:51 PM
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09-11-2012, 07:49 PM
Thx for info. Very impressive and lots of hard work on your end for sure!Originally Posted by bluerocket
09-11-2012, 11:17 PM
Look at it this way, even with limited suppression the average user will have AndroMass + natural test, and that natural test over time will suppress slightly.
With a TRT person, you don't have that issue, because your levels are stabilized by your TRT.
09-12-2012, 01:02 AM
09-12-2012, 08:46 AM
Awesome thread, I am exploring HRT now. Posted on PP's forum and the only answer I got was that I would not need the Andro series on HRT. Which made no sense to me. The information in this thread does make sense. So I have a question if someone knows the answer I would appreciate it. How long after ending a cycle can I go in for HRT blood work evaluation, and can I do so while on PCT? I am currently 5 weeks into an AndroLean + AndroHard Cycle, did 2 AndroMass + AndroBulk + PCT's prior (Love Primordial's product's BTW). I am 47 and considering ending this cycle early to get on HRT asap.
Thanks in advance,
09-12-2012, 09:01 AM
Just a heads up for anyone on HRT/TRT. I would NOT get hormone levels tested during a cycle of adding anything to your hormone therapy. Reason being that I have seen insurances cancel coverage after having levels of +1500 ng/dl. Your endo or clinic may also lower the prescription to accommodate for the higher levels. Just a heads up : )
09-12-2012, 09:12 AM
Not to play doctor, but I hope that those of you just throwing around the idea of going on TRT are doing it for the right reasons. There are too many doctors that don't know what they are doing and will simply see a low test number and prescribe. There are so many factors involved when determining the reason for low test, that it takes time, investigation, and a knowledgeable specialist.
Just throwing it out there, but you can really F with your life if you are just playing around with TRT.
09-12-2012, 01:48 PM
09-12-2012, 04:36 PM
yeah, I hope I can go take my hormone panel AFTER this next cycle. I keep delaying it, mainly from being "too fat" , but now another delay I'd be super pissed. I figure 2 weeks till cycle, should be 3 refills left on the androgel once adjusted up to 5g....so 3 months minus 2 months and 2 weeks = 1-2 weeks off before testing. I am assuming they will go for the 3 month period before testing...they are not on my ass in any way, almost as if they don't really care if I check my test level with them. but I'll suggest the 3 months thing, see what happens. I figure about 10 days or so removed from ABv3 and SD should be fine....not sure if I can continue the AHv3 at 1-2 a day into the blood test? they don't test me for DHT....depends on if I run the SD at 10mg for 6 weeks or 8 weeks as to how long I'll be off of that, and I figure that is the major issue....
09-12-2012, 07:06 PM
09-13-2012, 01:47 PM
09-13-2012, 01:59 PM
How does it sound like that lol? Everyone in here has said the opposite bud...Originally Posted by sabre2
09-14-2012, 12:46 AM
09-14-2012, 01:53 PM
Your bloodtest will be unpredictable on cycle. Some have seen an increase, some a decrease, some baseline. Probably depends on both timing and internal chemistry (how much converts at each stage).
In PCT, (as in immediate post cycle), you will be slightly lower than baseline, and some even come out at baseline. That is why we pitch these as minimally suppressive.
Post PCT you levels will be baseline/high.
If you are trying to falsify a bloodtest to go on TRT, run something suppressive up to the test and discontinue it 24-48 hours prior.
09-14-2012, 03:01 PM
my thing is this.....if I'm on SD and ABv3 and whatever else ....how the hell could that impact my EXOGENOUS test levels? my endogenous is at zero if I'm taking androgel right? how could the SD and/or ABv3 cause my androgel enhanced test levels to give a false low/high reading? that is what I wan to know. it would seem the androgel test is the only thing that is gonna "come up as test" on the bloodwork...not like SD or anything else can crush exogenous test right? or test out as actual test.... and supposedly the ABv3 and androseries don't affect actual test levels to any significant degree...I just don't understand. But I'm gonna try to fit the bloodwork in after 2 1/2 months on the 5g androgel upgrade I start this weekend or monday, and after the SD/ABv3 cycle (and no dermacrine either, that I will discontinue that previous to the cycle since there is plenty of DHEA running around already in that cycle). the AHv3 I figure to just run on through since they don't test for DHT. or they haven't yet All I want is an explanation of WHY i can't test for my "on androgel test levels" while on SD/ABv3....someone has to have an explanation for this. I understand while on TESTOSTERONE in addition to TRT ...YES that affects your levels. but SD? or Androseries?
09-14-2012, 04:38 PM
09-14-2012, 04:40 PM
Dude... They don't test for exogenous vs endogenous. I think that's where you're hung up. If you're on Andro gel, then that, on top of your normal levels is what it will read.Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
Here lets say:
You BL (base line) = 260 ng/dl
They rx you 2mg (not very familiar with gel dosages since I think they are worthless).
That 2mg bumps you up 560 ng/dl which will equal end result 820 ng/dl total test.
The reason you would pop hot is, the total test levels would be astronomically high 2-3k+, in some individuals. At which point in time, you can be sure they would order a more thorough test.
SD I'm not as familiar with and I don't think would show up, BUT it MAY convert somewhere downstream to a testosterone metabolite.
In regards to the Andro Series, (most being metabolites of t) they have a very good chance of raising what you already have while "on", since the hormone + natural levels = total.
09-14-2012, 04:58 PM
In addition to above ^ the AHV3 WILL possibly make you read extremely high man. Just because the target hormone is DHT absolutely does NOT GUARANTEE that it will not convert to test. These different metabolites can convert to different things. Also, I'm not familiar with your clinic and how they test but my buddy at the station Total t levels were somewhere around 2600 on ahv3 and trt NOTHING else. His insurance canceled coverage.
09-14-2012, 06:52 PM
That doesn't make sense. Exogenous test = zero endogenous test. It doesn't ADD to your bodys test it replaces it...hence the term TRT
09-14-2012, 08:19 PM
Lol no it does not ya jack ass! ; )Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
Endogenous is in the body and exogenous is out of the body.
Endogenous is something made in your body. Exogenous is something made outside.
09-14-2012, 08:22 PM
09-14-2012, 08:49 PM
09-14-2012, 09:24 PM
09-14-2012, 09:25 PM
09-14-2012, 09:46 PM
09-14-2012, 10:01 PM
people are prescribed TRT for a given low range. Depending on the clinic that can be anywhere below 550. When someone on trt with 550 gets a test cyp injection of 100 mg, they are not immediately at 0 and in a lot of patients that doesn't happen for quite some time, if ever. Which is one of the reasons they monitor your levels, to adjust for your endogenous testosterone to shut down, not just E2 etc...Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
A PH cycle will very rarely shut anyone down to 0.
Endogenous = body created - testosterone, insulin, melatonin, etc... Made in the body
Exogenous = external creation - testosterone, insulin, etc... Synthetic derivatives, "bio identical hormones" (lab created), sometimes pulled from cadavers, bovine or other sources BUT still NOT made in YOUR body.
I don't know where the misunderstanding is. Not being a dick, I hope you know me better than that by now man.
09-14-2012, 10:12 PM
you are a total idiot, I'm done with this stupidity. I know what exogenous and endogenous mean, and have "been knowing" since probably before you were born moron. so shove that straight up your ass. and as for you not understanding this concept? go do some more research and come back when you understand WTF the adults are talking about.
09-14-2012, 10:12 PM
Ok I think I see the problem... Scratch natural test, throw it out the window.Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
Andro gel (no idea conversion rate dosages whatever) - 500 ng/dl
Any Andro Series (again we DON'T know exact figures) - 600 ng/dl
Total of the two - 1100 ng/dl
= skewed results
Dr. sees your levels as being high dials back your dose end result, ****ing you.
Andro series products MAY increase your test. They most certainly have in other customers, I've witnessed it. Labs and everything we're talking +1900.
SD more than likely won't bump your test levels but again I haven't really looked into SD like I have the DHEA metabolites.
Not worth it, you're taking about setting yourself back months while figuring out what your dosages for TRT should be. Just cycle off prior.
09-14-2012, 10:15 PM
Lol... Rough night bro? I was writing all that on my phone. Talk about time wasted.Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
Just trying to help.
09-14-2012, 10:20 PM
09-14-2012, 10:25 PM
09-14-2012, 10:33 PM
Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6You may want to get your estrogen levels checked as well, this shít came off real emotional. LaterOriginally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
09-14-2012, 10:38 PM
09-14-2012, 10:56 PM
The bird is at war (Angry birds)
Body Problem Mechanic
National Level Competitor.
09-14-2012, 10:59 PM
09-14-2012, 11:02 PM
09-14-2012, 11:04 PM
I Kill it on angry birds BTW.....cleared the original, seasons, RIO.....the space version I haven't cleared, sort of stopped playing since I have had classes the last 3 semesters so I need to study or read instead of playing angry birds in my free time at work LOL....
09-14-2012, 11:30 PM
I posted the wrong ****? Lol! Go buy some DAA to help with trt ; )Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
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