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  1. What is your argument? I seem to be missing it.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    What is your argument? I seem to be missing it.
    Short term alcohol consumption does not increase estrogen. If anything it lowers it.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Short term alcohol consumption does not increase estrogen. If anything it lowers it.
    I had heard (second hand, not researched/read) that drinking had a negative effect on testosterone. I figured there was a temporary upset to the T:E balance at that point, which is where most stated it "increased" estrogen. Interesting information, thanks for sharing. As I said, my personal experience (yes, n=1) is that I tend to wake up drier, almost leaner looking the morning after a night out, which I assumed was the dehydration effect of alcohol. The potential for a decrease in estrogen could fit the bill there as well I guess.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Perhaps I should have not made a universal figure such as "200 mgs" a week for a TRT dose --- even though most people I know have been prescribed that amount from their Doctors.

    100 mgs is most likely the most common practice dose and should be the 'base trt dose.'

    I can actually have 'bluerocket' my client provide some bloods as I have him on Andro +his TRT

    -Matt
    Hi Matt... contact me if you want me to get some bloods .... I have some from before TRT I started and one while on... I was thinking about getting some done ...
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    I had heard (second hand, not researched/read) that drinking had a negative effect on testosterone. I figured there was a temporary upset to the T:E balance at that point, which is where most stated it "increased" estrogen. Interesting information, thanks for sharing. As I said, my personal experience (yes, n=1) is that I tend to wake up drier, almost leaner looking the morning after a night out, which I assumed was the dehydration effect of alcohol. The potential for a decrease in estrogen could fit the bill there as well I guess.
    It's effects on testosterone are negligible. Martin Berkhan (lean gains guy) did a long blog about alcohol and hormone levels, although not specific to estrogens, he concludes it has little impact on test.

    There is a new study showing it does more to IGF-1 levels though.
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  6. The effect of alcohol on igf would make sense, since igf is generated in the liver by converting hgh. I would be interested in seeing the study that you're drawing that from, and if it's due to increased liver function what are the effects of methylated steroids on the bodies production of igf.

  7. No thanks. I really don't want to complicate things by throwing more hormones into the mix. That is exactly what got me here in the first place.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by BigAK9 View Post
    The effect of alcohol on igf would make sense, since igf is generated in the liver by converting hgh. I would be interested in seeing the study that you're drawing that from, and if it's due to increased liver function what are the effects of methylated steroids on the bodies production of igf.
    Not specific to steroid use with alcohol however here's a summary...

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  9. The morning after drinking heavily, I feel great. Lots of energy, no anxiety, feel like I can take on the world.. When the afternoon hits I start having horrible anxiety, to the point where I break out in cold sweats when in a crowd. The following day I'm back to normal.

  10. Probably still drunk and then you sober up in the afternoon. Seriously. Anybody that has spent time partying knows that this is true.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle
    The morning after drinking heavily, I feel great. Lots of energy, no anxiety, feel like I can take on the world.. When the afternoon hits I start having horrible anxiety, to the point where I break out in cold sweats when in a crowd. The following day I'm back to normal.
    Man, if I woke up feelin that way id do a lot more drinking!

  12. Hmm...

    I am sure that excessive alcohol consumption does impair fat-loss/oxidation through adding a "4th" macro nutrient into the equation which will not take priority of oxidation over fats, pro or carbs...also animal studies show a blunting of the protein synthetic response from alcohol consumption.

    Is Alcohol scrutinized too harshly in the fitness community? Eh....maybe,,,, but I would ONLY say to let loose and have drinks regularly if YOU ARE ALREADY LEAN and IN SHAPE!

    You will metabolize the alcohol much more efficiently and be back on track faster with atrophied fat cells....too many people PARTY WHILE TRYING TO GET RESULTS.....bad.

    Get the damn results first then have fun once you are 'there.'

    -Matt

  13. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Hmm...

    I am sure that excessive alcohol consumption does impair fat-loss/oxidation through adding a "4th" macro nutrient into the equation which will not take priority of oxidation over fats, pro or carbs...also animal studies show a blunting of the protein synthetic response from alcohol consumption.

    Is Alcohol scrutinized too harshly in the fitness community? Eh....maybe,,,, but I would ONLY say to let loose and have drinks regularly if YOU ARE ALREADY LEAN and IN SHAPE!

    You will metabolize the alcohol much more efficiently and be back on track faster with atrophied fat cells....too many people PARTY WHILE TRYING TO GET RESULTS.....bad.

    Get the damn results first then have fun once you are 'there.'

    -Matt
    But Matt, believe me, I look better to myself in the mirror after I had a few....
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    But Matt, believe me, I look better to myself in the mirror after I had a few....

    Hehe..

    You are correct though -- if you are lean (and especially lean as in contest-lean) alcohol abuse (lol) for a night will have you waking up looking like a damn statue from excretion of fluids and most likely "drunk munchies" further drying you out from high sodium content.

    -Matt

  15. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Hehe..

    You are correct though -- if you are lean (and especially lean as in contest-lean) alcohol abuse (lol) for a night will have you waking up looking like a damn statue from excretion of fluids and most likely "drunk munchies" further drying you out from high sodium content.

    -Matt
    Too bad the effect comes at the cost of headaches, and detriment to the body. I still like to drink, but I could not imagine going back to how I did it when I was younger, seems gross now.

    But, like anything, the key to alcohol in a healthy lifestyle is not to never enjoy it, but to always do so in moderation.
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  16. I just started androgel, and have been incorporating Dermacrine + DAA with it (figuring the topical DHEA will add to the total test when converted)...I was guessing that the DAA/test booster might work with the lower doses of the gel, since its not going above 100mg (at least until you move onto 7.5 or 10G gels, then you could approach or surpass 100mg per week). Not sure at what point a test booster is a moot point? but I am adding division 1 (divanil) on monday to the Androgel/Dermacrine, obviously to take advantage of the divanil in order to free up as much bound test as possible. I have also been on ALv3 as well, 4 a day....5 more weeks to go. Then onto 8 weeks of ABv3 (with some SD). So I have been incorporating PP products (and former PP products lol *dermacrine*)....but my question is, are any of the PP products OK for continual use alongside TRT (i figure dermacrine is OK to take year round, with a few breaks)? if so which PP products? and also a solid answer on the effectiveness of a test booster with low dose topical test (say a 5G packet per day) would be great. DAA is cheap, but why take it if its not doing anything....

  17. If you are on TRT, you could run Mass, Hard, Lean fairly long term. Ideally you would get bloodwork done on occasion, but really you should be fine.

    I personally think a t-booster is worthless when using exogeneous test, but others may disagree.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    If you are on TRT, you could run Mass, Hard, Lean fairly long term. Ideally you would get bloodwork done on occasion, but really you should be fine.

    I personally think a t-booster is worthless when using exogeneous test, but others may disagree.
    yeah it seems futile right? but at these low ass dosages of 2.5-5mg per day in the beginning, I figure maybe it will keep endogenous test levels higher than they normally would be while the gel levels build up over the coming months...until it becomes a nonsense to use at the higher dosed gel packs. I was thinking about maybe the AH at 1 or 2 caps per day year long to accompany the androgel....I just wonder if that much DHT would cause side effects such as prostate or hair loss or whatever DHT type sides. the AHv3 seemed pretty mild to me as far as DHT sides go...but with chronic usage maybe not. that is probably the only one I'd run long term, although if not for the topical DHEA I would consider the low dose mass also, but AH seems the best adjunct to the test gel. also, I think LONG runs of ALv3 would be great as well...like 3-4 months at a time at say 4 a day. I have been doing the PN 7/11 sprays the previous 7 weeks, and have been on ALv3 for the past week and a half (doing 6 weeks total at 4 per day). so that would = 3 months on 7/11 of some sort. seems to be working fine and my blood work was A+ (other than the low test ). I see matt was on AM today, but he did not pop in here but thanks for the advice, I like to hear from all three of you guys, then go from there....

  19. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    yeah it seems futile right? but at these low ass dosages of 2.5-5mg per day in the beginning, I figure maybe it will keep endogenous test levels higher than they normally would be while the gel levels build up over the coming months...until it becomes a nonsense to use at the higher dosed gel packs. I was thinking about maybe the AH at 1 or 2 caps per day year long to accompany the androgel....I just wonder if that much DHT would cause side effects such as prostate or hair loss or whatever DHT type sides. the AHv3 seemed pretty mild to me as far as DHT sides go...but with chronic usage maybe not. that is probably the only one I'd run long term, although if not for the topical DHEA I would consider the low dose mass also, but AH seems the best adjunct to the test gel. also, I think LONG runs of ALv3 would be great as well...like 3-4 months at a time at say 4 a day. I have been doing the PN 7/11 sprays the previous 7 weeks, and have been on ALv3 for the past week and a half (doing 6 weeks total at 4 per day). so that would = 3 months on 7/11 of some sort. seems to be working fine and my blood work was A+ (other than the low test ). I see matt was on AM today, but he did not pop in here but thanks for the advice, I like to hear from all three of you guys, then go from there....
    For the test boosters, (and this is a bit of a generalization, but applicable in your situation), shut down occurs regardless of dosage. Granted, non-supraphysiological doses may not cause the body to react as quickly, but your body's production will slow/stop if you were doing 100mg/wk or if you were doing 500mg/wk, it is all telling your body it does not need to produce T.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    For the test boosters, (and this is a bit of a generalization, but applicable in your situation), shut down occurs regardless of dosage. Granted, non-supraphysiological doses may not cause the body to react as quickly, but your body's production will slow/stop if you were doing 100mg/wk or if you were doing 500mg/wk, it is all telling your body it does not need to produce T.

    only way --MAYBE....just maybe... test boosters like tcf-1 and Sustain Alpha gel would work if dosing at night is if your AndroGEL was applied in the morning and you sweated it off, or follicles blocked the absorption etc... as you might still have some leeway at night if the skin blocked a hefty percentage of absorption/

    -Matt

  21. Matrix...

    Did you see the AH 9 hr blood work PDF's I have been sharing lately???

    Pretty cool to see if in action in the blood stream!!

    -Matt

  22. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter
    Matrix...

    Did you see the AH 9 hr blood work PDF's I have been sharing lately???

    Pretty cool to see if in action in the blood stream!!

    -Matt
    can i see this PDF? Sounds awesome

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Austinmck17 View Post
    can i see this PDF? Sounds awesome
    http://www.steroidology.com/forum/an...k-product.html
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  24. I must be a member to view haha

  25. See below.
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