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    HGH prescribed for low Test levels? WTH


    A friend of mine lives in Italy and is in his early 30's

    He has very low Test levels just got back from the Doc who is trying to prescribe him HGH for his Test levels.

    Then, told him that this was the new strategy with TRT.

    WTH - Has anyone heard of such a thing?
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    testoseterone is back up for GH. I have found lower T and guys can be fine provided there gh, e2, thyroid levels are at optimal levels as well. Increasing GH can reduce the need for HRT dosages.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    The Matrix - Glad to have you on board here.

    Not sure I follow you. Sorry.

    "Test is a back up for GH" - how does that apply when the TEST is not the hormone presdent in ample supply to "back up" endogenous GH
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    The Matrix - Glad to have you on board here.

    Not sure I follow you. Sorry.

    "Test is a back up for GH" - how does that apply when the TEST is not the hormone presdent in ample supply to "back up" endogenous GH
    Its not about the T levels its about functionality of them.
    Gh levels low guys need more t to feel better on hrt.
    Gh levels are optimal body does not chew up t as quickly
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    Ahhhh I got ya. Thanks!

    Still though, why not straight Test as a more "direct" strategy.

    I guess the specific question is..... IF Test is low, doesnt exogenous Test administration offer the BEST chance for attaining "normal" Test levels.

    Again, while I understand the logic behind such practices now, it seems awfully indirect.

    A similar argument can be made with Hypothyroidism and treating it with straight T3 or Amour Thyroid.

    As good as the multifacted approach of Armour sounded, it never panned out real world and only provided sub-par Thyroid support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    I guess the specific question is..... IF Test is low, doesnt expgenous Test administration offer the BEST chance for attaining "normal" Test levels.
    that would be true if there was a testosterone valve in you, and they could look at it and see it was closed. Hormones are a delicate interplay. Throw on top of that the difference in health consequences and then difference in perceived quality of life and there really isn't a 1 size fits all setup
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    You sound a bit like Socrates with that response (or maybe I just need some carbs lol)

    LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    You sound a bit like Socrates with that response (or maybe I just need some carbs lol)

    LOL
    its sort of true though. you'll see guys who need a total testosterone of 1100 to feel well, and guys with a total t of 400 that feel great. so many factors involved a lot of the time its a crapshoot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    Ahhhh I got ya. Thanks!

    Still though, why not straight Test as a more "direct" strategy.

    I guess the specific question is..... IF Test is low, doesnt exogenous Test administration offer the BEST chance for attaining "normal" Test levels.

    Again, while I understand the logic behind such practices now, it seems awfully indirect.

    A similar argument can be made with Hypothyroidism and treating it with straight T3 or Amour Thyroid.

    As good as the multifacted approach of Armour sounded, it never panned out real world and only provided sub-par Thyroid support.
    Better.off find other hidden factors which.t.may be masking. These people on hrt are starting to.get a rude awakening because.number of cases i.deal.with are from.top.hrt specialists in the world who have got.good hormone.levels.but guys still feel.like crap Drs are baffled. I.am.picking up.more guys from hertzogue in Europe because they are getting tired.of.cookie cutter method and tons of.med being prescribed. People are starting to.wake up smelling coffee about hormone in majority of causes are just an expression of.something else out of balance.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    I know I know. Just messin with you man

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    its sort of true though. you'll see guys who need a total testosterone of 1100 to feel well, and guys with a total t of 400 that feel great. so many factors involved a lot of the time its a crapshoot
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    Crazy isnt it?!

    Thanks for your info - your the Endocrinology king on this board

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    Better.off find other hidden factors which.t.may be masking. These people on hrt are starting to.get a rude awakening because.number of cases i.deal.with are from.top.hrt specialists in the world who have got.good hormone.levels.but guys still feel.like crap Drs are baffled. I.am.picking up.more guys from hertzogue in Europe because they are getting tired.of.cookie cutter method and tons of.med being prescribed. People are starting to.wake up smelling coffee about hormone in majority of causes are just an expression of.something else out of balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    Crazy isnt it?!

    Thanks for your info - your the Endocrinology king on this board
    Its called using simple principles and common sense which are usually where the answers to complex questions are found. That is the sad part of all the people who are not well..
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    It cant be THAT simple or there wouldnt be THAT many moron MD's that havent put 2+2 together yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    It cant be THAT simple or there wouldnt be THAT many moron MD's that havent put 2+2 together yet
    Well its not their fought its what they are not being taught in med school..few hours is only spent on nutrition which majority of people get well..Can.not tell.you how.many guy just by modulation of sleep resolved adrenal and other hormone imbalances. Instead Dr insist on using trt..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    It cant be THAT simple or there wouldnt be THAT many moron MD's that havent put 2+2 together yet
    People are turning simple issues into complex medical enigmas. Its kind of comical when you they have a laundry of test and still can not figure out what is wrong. Prime example..some ones uric acid was low only <1 % of Dr would have picked up on heavy metals which was later confirmed with eating 6 cans tuna a day. After you been through the ringer for a few years you pick up on these things i look on a 3D plane where others look on one dimensional ..what makes me unique ..
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    You certainly know your crap buddy. Keep up the good work
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Its not about the T levels its about functionality of them.
    Gh levels low guys need more t to feel better on hrt.
    Gh levels are optimal body does not chew up t as quickly
    Matrix, would you mind pointing me in the direction of some research on this issue?

    Much appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rambofireball

    Matrix, would you mind pointing me in the direction of some research on this issue?

    Much appreciated.
    Clinical.observations i.have seen in.cases i.have worked on. Shgb can be lowered.by increasing Gh.levels.making testosterone more.bioavailability
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    Not disputing this point at all but there are many effective OTC supps to lower SHBG, that do not accompany the potential sides that even LOW GH coems with.

    To me, this approach seems akin to using a shotgun in a fishbowl

    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Clinical.observations i.have seen in.cases i.have worked on. Shgb can be lowered.by increasing Gh.levels.making testosterone more.bioavailability
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Not disputing this point at all but there are many effective OTC supps to lower SHBG, that do not accompany the potential sides that even LOW GH coems with.

    To me, this approach seems akin to using a shotgun in a fishbowl
    Trust me I have dealt with many cases of high SHBG and many of them go back to alteration in the immune system resulting from increased inflammation mainly with in the liver or GI tract. We have found that going after the SHBG directly has resulted in numerous failed attempted, but have been successful lowering it by finding other imbalances with in the person's body dealing with it directly. I have never had a DR prescribed GH. By modulating other factors we have been able to increase GH out put significantly. In last case scenerio will use peptides to help things along.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Interesting stuff. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    Not disputing this point at all but there are many effective OTC supps to lower SHBG, that do not accompany the potential sides that even LOW GH coems with.

    To me, this approach seems akin to using a shotgun in a fishbowl
    Not to thread-jack, but what type of supps are good for this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston

    Not to thread-jack, but what type of supps are good for this?
    I.have yet found.one.that.had.resulted in lowering shbg which could be verified through testing. Gotten more success in correcting indirectly.
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    http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/...er_test_04.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    I.have yet found.one.that.had.resulted in lowering shbg which could be verified through testing. Gotten more success in correcting indirectly.
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    Give me multiple case studies then it will be more credible. I want to see actually cases to where that is the only variable has change. I have dealt with numerous of cases from Dr's with high SHBG. It all keeps coming back to GI, hidden liver inflammation or other inflammatory responses in the body in majority of cases.
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    GH will not improve libido though... in the absence of TRT or when on TRT
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    Yeah, I searched Pub Med and came up short.

    Makes me wonder how all these years all these supplement companies got away with pimping all the ""SHGB-reducing"" supps like NEttle Root, Stinging Nettle, etc

    I feel like a sucker

    ugggggggggg

    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Give me multiple case studies then it will be more credible. I want to see actually cases to where that is the only variable has change. I have dealt with numerous of cases from Dr's with high SHBG. It all keeps coming back to GI, hidden liver inflammation or other inflammatory responses in the body in majority of cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post

    Makes me wonder how all these years all these supplement companies got away with pimping all the ""SHGB-reducing"" supps like NEttle Root, Stinging Nettle, etc

    I feel like a sucker

    ugggggggggg

    For what it's worth, nettle root extract capped by Nutraplanet gave me constant morning wood, high libido, and rise in acne prior to starting TRT. IMO it's legit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    Yeah, I searched Pub Med and came up short.

    Makes me wonder how all these years all these supplement companies got away with pimping all the ""SHGB-reducing"" supps like NEttle Root, Stinging Nettle, etc

    I feel like a sucker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    For what it's worth, nettle root extract capped by Nutraplanet gave me constant morning wood, high libido, and rise in acne prior to starting TRT. IMO it's legit.
    may not change the levels but may affecting androgen binding at the tissue (just a theory)
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