HGH prescribed for low Test levels? WTH

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A friend of mine lives in Italy and is in his early 30's

He has very low Test levels just got back from the Doc who is trying to prescribe him HGH for his Test levels.

Then, told him that this was the new strategy with TRT.

WTH - Has anyone heard of such a thing?
 
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testoseterone is back up for GH. I have found lower T and guys can be fine provided there gh, e2, thyroid levels are at optimal levels as well. Increasing GH can reduce the need for HRT dosages.
 
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The Matrix - Glad to have you on board here.

Not sure I follow you. Sorry.

"Test is a back up for GH" - how does that apply when the TEST is not the hormone presdent in ample supply to "back up" endogenous GH
 
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The Matrix - Glad to have you on board here.

Not sure I follow you. Sorry.

"Test is a back up for GH" - how does that apply when the TEST is not the hormone presdent in ample supply to "back up" endogenous GH
Its not about the T levels its about functionality of them.
Gh levels low guys need more t to feel better on hrt.
Gh levels are optimal body does not chew up t as quickly
 
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Ahhhh I got ya. Thanks!

Still though, why not straight Test as a more "direct" strategy.

I guess the specific question is..... IF Test is low, doesnt exogenous Test administration offer the BEST chance for attaining "normal" Test levels.

Again, while I understand the logic behind such practices now, it seems awfully indirect.

A similar argument can be made with Hypothyroidism and treating it with straight T3 or Amour Thyroid.

As good as the multifacted approach of Armour sounded, it never panned out real world and only provided sub-par Thyroid support.
 
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I guess the specific question is..... IF Test is low, doesnt expgenous Test administration offer the BEST chance for attaining "normal" Test levels.
that would be true if there was a testosterone valve in you, and they could look at it and see it was closed. Hormones are a delicate interplay. Throw on top of that the difference in health consequences and then difference in perceived quality of life and there really isn't a 1 size fits all setup
 
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You sound a bit like Socrates with that response (or maybe I just need some carbs lol)

LOL :p
 
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You sound a bit like Socrates with that response (or maybe I just need some carbs lol)

LOL :p
its sort of true though. you'll see guys who need a total testosterone of 1100 to feel well, and guys with a total t of 400 that feel great. so many factors involved a lot of the time its a crapshoot
 
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Ahhhh I got ya. Thanks!

Still though, why not straight Test as a more "direct" strategy.

I guess the specific question is..... IF Test is low, doesnt exogenous Test administration offer the BEST chance for attaining "normal" Test levels.

Again, while I understand the logic behind such practices now, it seems awfully indirect.

A similar argument can be made with Hypothyroidism and treating it with straight T3 or Amour Thyroid.

As good as the multifacted approach of Armour sounded, it never panned out real world and only provided sub-par Thyroid support.
Better.off find other hidden factors which.t.may be masking. These people on hrt are starting to.get a rude awakening because.number of cases i.deal.with are from.top.hrt specialists in the world who have got.good hormone.levels.but guys still feel.like crap Drs are baffled. I.am.picking up.more guys from hertzogue in Europe because they are getting tired.of.cookie cutter method and tons of.med being prescribed. People are starting to.wake up smelling coffee about hormone in majority of causes are just an expression of.something else out of balance.
 
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I know I know. Just messin with you man

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its sort of true though. you'll see guys who need a total testosterone of 1100 to feel well, and guys with a total t of 400 that feel great. so many factors involved a lot of the time its a crapshoot
 
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Crazy isnt it?! :(

Thanks for your info - your the Endocrinology king on this board

Better.off find other hidden factors which.t.may be masking. These people on hrt are starting to.get a rude awakening because.number of cases i.deal.with are from.top.hrt specialists in the world who have got.good hormone.levels.but guys still feel.like crap Drs are baffled. I.am.picking up.more guys from hertzogue in Europe because they are getting tired.of.cookie cutter method and tons of.med being prescribed. People are starting to.wake up smelling coffee about hormone in majority of causes are just an expression of.something else out of balance.
 
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Crazy isnt it?! :(

Thanks for your info - your the Endocrinology king on this board
Its called using simple principles and common sense which are usually where the answers to complex questions are found. That is the sad part of all the people who are not well..
 
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It cant be THAT simple or there wouldnt be THAT many moron MD's that havent put 2+2 together yet :p
 
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It cant be THAT simple or there wouldnt be THAT many moron MD's that havent put 2+2 together yet :p
Well its not their fought its what they are not being taught in med school..few hours is only spent on nutrition which majority of people get well..Can.not tell.you how.many guy just by modulation of sleep resolved adrenal and other hormone imbalances. Instead Dr insist on using trt..
 
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It cant be THAT simple or there wouldnt be THAT many moron MD's that havent put 2+2 together yet :p
People are turning simple issues into complex medical enigmas. Its kind of comical when you they have a laundry of test and still can not figure out what is wrong. Prime example..some ones uric acid was low only <1 % of Dr would have picked up on heavy metals which was later confirmed with eating 6 cans tuna a day. After you been through the ringer for a few years you pick up on these things:) i look on a 3D plane where others look on one dimensional ..what makes me unique ..
 
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You certainly know your crap buddy. Keep up the good work
 
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Its not about the T levels its about functionality of them.
Gh levels low guys need more t to feel better on hrt.
Gh levels are optimal body does not chew up t as quickly
Matrix, would you mind pointing me in the direction of some research on this issue?

Much appreciated.
 
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Matrix, would you mind pointing me in the direction of some research on this issue?

Much appreciated.
Clinical.observations i.have seen in.cases i.have worked on. Shgb can be lowered.by increasing Gh.levels.making testosterone more.bioavailability
 
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Not disputing this point at all but there are many effective OTC supps to lower SHBG, that do not accompany the potential sides that even LOW GH coems with.

To me, this approach seems akin to using a shotgun in a fishbowl

Clinical.observations i.have seen in.cases i.have worked on. Shgb can be lowered.by increasing Gh.levels.making testosterone more.bioavailability
 
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Not disputing this point at all but there are many effective OTC supps to lower SHBG, that do not accompany the potential sides that even LOW GH coems with.

To me, this approach seems akin to using a shotgun in a fishbowl
Trust me I have dealt with many cases of high SHBG and many of them go back to alteration in the immune system resulting from increased inflammation mainly with in the liver or GI tract. We have found that going after the SHBG directly has resulted in numerous failed attempted, but have been successful lowering it by finding other imbalances with in the person's body dealing with it directly. I have never had a DR prescribed GH. By modulating other factors we have been able to increase GH out put significantly. In last case scenerio will use peptides to help things along.
 
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Interesting stuff. Thanks
 
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Not disputing this point at all but there are many effective OTC supps to lower SHBG, that do not accompany the potential sides that even LOW GH coems with.

To me, this approach seems akin to using a shotgun in a fishbowl
Not to thread-jack, but what type of supps are good for this?
 
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Not to thread-jack, but what type of supps are good for this?
I.have yet found.one.that.had.resulted in lowering shbg which could be verified through testing. Gotten more success in correcting indirectly.
 
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GH will not improve libido though... in the absence of TRT or when on TRT
 
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Yeah, I searched Pub Med and came up short. :(

Makes me wonder how all these years all these supplement companies got away with pimping all the ""SHGB-reducing"" supps like NEttle Root, Stinging Nettle, etc

I feel like a sucker

ugggggggggg

Give me multiple case studies then it will be more credible. I want to see actually cases to where that is the only variable has change. I have dealt with numerous of cases from Dr's with high SHBG. It all keeps coming back to GI, hidden liver inflammation or other inflammatory responses in the body in majority of cases.
 
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Makes me wonder how all these years all these supplement companies got away with pimping all the ""SHGB-reducing"" supps like NEttle Root, Stinging Nettle, etc

I feel like a sucker

ugggggggggg

For what it's worth, nettle root extract capped by Nutraplanet gave me constant morning wood, high libido, and rise in acne prior to starting TRT. IMO it's legit.
 
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Yeah, I searched Pub Med and came up short. :(

Makes me wonder how all these years all these supplement companies got away with pimping all the ""SHGB-reducing"" supps like NEttle Root, Stinging Nettle, etc

I feel like a sucker

ugggggggggg
Whaaaaaa??? 3,4 divanil?
 
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For what it's worth, nettle root extract capped by Nutraplanet gave me constant morning wood, high libido, and rise in acne prior to starting TRT. IMO it's legit.
may not change the levels but may affecting androgen binding at the tissue (just a theory)
 

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