Been.reading too.much bs from.uneducated.people. Its.not.the.total.testosterone number by how your body uses it. If you have other things out.of balance then the body can not.use testosterone properly. Its not.always hormones.which.is the problem, but.other factors which complement itOriginally Posted by mumbles12Hi folks, newcomer to the site..
bit about me..
Lifted weights in highschool when I was like 15, only lifted for 6 months but did manage to put on some good size to my 5'8 frame body,.. then I found boxing as my new passion, lost weight.. Did the whole amateurs routine from about 16 to 17, so not very longterm, then I got back into lifting weights (went through that stupid phase wear I wanted to look good as well as compete in a sport lol)
when I was 18 I went back to boxing, and carried on with that in the ams until I was 19, then I completely fell off the bandwagon With exercise, and inbetween studies I was hanging around with wasters, and just gettin ****faced on the weekend.
By the time I was 21 suffering a case of misdirection in life, got myself back on track, started training again, but more athletic training, functional training I guess (whatever that encompasses these days).. But wasnt competing in anything and was just concentrating on getting my degree..
training I was doing at this point was similar to "never gymless" (ross enamait) style, and I was about 160 with 10% bf..
nothing special, but got my compliments. I was subconsiously trying to gain weight while keeping what athletic qualitys I had however,
and although im sure a squat rack and some compound lifts wouldnt have broke the bank!, I was addicted to the low tech mentality at the time, so I ended up getting pretty strong, but only relative to my bodyweight, with big focus on anerobic threshold.
by now I noticed I had gotten taller since my teenage years.. I wasnt the 5'8 weightlifter, or the 5'9 amateur boxer anymore, and my full height is nearly 5'11
which got me thinking I was underweight at 160.. I think my caloric intake was about 2600.., and I accepted my low weight as being a product of my small bone mass
(6.5" wrists in my case), but ive got one of those bodys where my wrists are tiny, but my torso and other body parts are not so narrow and actually more medium frame.. Its wierd for me cus with the style of training I had been doing up to that point it created a kind of ecto/meso illusion..
think small wrists, huge delts, broad chest, and shoulders, stupid 13.5" biceps that look big to average joe, but seem to not fit my upper/mid sec..
yea im a freak lol. Anyway thats not too much the important part (least not right now),
eventually I stopped all physical activity again.. This time due to a family grievance which sent me on a bit of a downward spiral..
ill spare the details on that one.. But im "dealing with it"..
Now I got a blood test for t levels, after doing some research as I felt my testosterone had plummeted.. I was 145ibs (still am right now)
people have been telling me I look like ****, like Im on meths or something.. (cant be good)
Ive been depressed all the time, isolating myself, the whole nine yards...
I always felt however that I was underweight or rather using training to maintain a weight that an out of shape person can easily maintain..
Its frustrating and perhaps a lil self defeating, but I see it like this, if my t levels were low, but im using training as my only counterbalance to that, and maybe I have to work twice as hard to be at a weight that nature intended for me then something is seriously wrong.
now granted many of you might say I should just incorporate more bodybuilding style training (or at least some compound lifts!) to increase weight, but I got my test "i did ask for free t levels and total t levels btw", but im in the uk, and the nhs is shoddy, plain and simple. Anyways ill give you my results
(SCL) normal_satisfactory. 21.5nmol/L. (11_40)
Serum TSH level
(SCL) normal satisfactory. 1.96mu/L. (0.3_5.0)
Now the bottom one taken was to see if I had diabetes, so idk how much crossover there is.
im guessing the serum tesosterone test was not the free t levels like I asked for?? And assume its the total t level..
the gp's I have spoken with simply disregard my terminoglogy like its the stuff of superstition.
It says here that the sample showed no sign of haemolysis, icterus or lipaemia (no clue what these are)
I think the (11_40) bit on the serum t result is the age range although I cant be sure..
if so then jesus christ how the hell do they figure they can generalise 11 tp 40 yr olds!
From what ive read the nmol number can be converted into another unit "measured in hundres" but I cant remember what its called..
but apparently 800 to 1000, with over 12000 being considered too high, the 800 to 1000 being ideal for optimum health, muscle growth, and performance all combined.. Well I just converted my nmol of 21.5 and it translates to 617.. For a 23 year old that is pretty low/under!
im still at 145ibs, and the reason I havent got back into training is I feel the 160 I was when active, should be my normal weight! Not training weight..
granted I was doing a lot of anaerobic cardio stuff, with my my strength training, but that like saying Im at weight handicap/deficiency of over a "stone" due to low t levels! I.e. Should be 175 when training with intensity, not 160, should be 160 when sedentary not 145, im not saying that is the case "but it feels that way to me", which to which many of you might think is a stupid analogy, and I ought to just train and make myself reach optimal t levels through training.. Butt how much does exercise actually raise t levels??
Surely not by much if theres a hormonal deficiency!..
We all know of bodybuilders who have had to go through hrt afterall, it happens..
and if ive got to get to an optimal range, wouldnt it make sense that I should want to be in the "upper" of that range for optimal growth (regardless of training style) and not the lower.. Basically what im saying is even if I am around 800 t levels when training, thats like poor maintenance and I should perhaps be in upper 1000's if my hormones werent in a sad state..
im worried of getting back into training taking a blood test and finding im still under for my age..
id rather put it right via hrt, anabolics, whatever it takes "if there is a way to do son safely" and with permanent results, I certainly wouldnt want to be on hrt on and off for the rest of my life, steroids im not so sure either, but then I dont have enough knowledge about such things..
"hence why I am here"
For hrt I know it would take some serious convincing of one of the docs in this area to agree to it, and im more worried abouut side effects if im being brutally honest :/
as for whether anabols would help Idk, "but I have considered it" :/
firstly can someone please help me establish whether or not I am actually under for my age (23), and what the numbers mean? I am exhibiting symptoms like soft erections, lack of interest in opposite sex, im ashamed to admit but no doctor seems to give a crap unless you out and out lie by saying "i cant even get an erection", well in many cases like my self as example, you can still get them but they are pretty soft (not even full length)...
Have I just been reading too much BS.. About what levels are optimum and should I just get back into exercise and hope for the best..? I think I am probs under, but I lack "real knowledge on the issue", and that my t levels should be fixed even before I start training again, in the hope of reaping the benefits that nature intended if that makes sense..
ill stop here as im ranting..
anyways if anyone on this site can help me with this it would mean the world as its affecting the way I think about training, hence why I havent even started again yet, cus I want this hormonal issue sorted first. So I welcome any and all thoughts as im pretty damn worried about this..