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  1. Quote Originally Posted by mumbles12 View Post
    They wont let me dude, the doctors here are slimy reptillian mother****ers who only want to get the city reliant on anti depressants, or get send them to a councellor...
    you could have a swollen penis, yellow eyes and hamster cheeks and theyd suggest that the cause is purely psychological.. I dont know what to do. Other than take one of those home testing kits and I dont think they will be reliable enough, I already bought one for 17quid and it broke (didnt get money back)..
    YOU ARE TOXIC ...have altered liver detoxification pathways and probably Gi integrity is compromised. Then take matters in your own hand go to out side sources. Yes it cost more money, but you get more done.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    YOU ARE TOXIC ...have altered liver detoxification pathways and probably Gi integrity is compromised. Then take matters in your own hand go to out side sources. Yes it cost more money, but you get more done.
    What makes you say that? You mean due to my symptoms right? Food related or are you suspecting something else? How do you classify someone as "being TOXIC".
    the gi thing and other jargon means nothing to me as I dont know what it means, have I been eating too much of the same food? Is it environmental?
    where can I go to sort this out then? (please answer all of my questions not just one).

    thank you.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by mumbles12

    What makes you say that? You mean due to my symptoms right? Food related or are you suspecting something else? How do you classify someone as "being TOXIC".
    the gi thing and other jargon means nothing to me as I dont know what it means, have I been eating too much of the same food? Is it environmental?
    where can I go to sort this out then? (please answer all of my questions not just one).

    thank you.
    You.can.not.tolerate smoke.and.alcohol your.liver pathways are.not.working properly. Probably undermethylated.like.most.blok es due.to bad genes. I.have worked.with.numerous people.from.UK.and.their are similarity do.to.inability to.detoxify certain chemicals (smoke and alcohol) are the two.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    You.can.not.tolerate smoke.and.alcohol your.liver pathways are.not.working properly. Probably undermethylated.like.most.blok es due.to bad genes. I.have worked.with.numerous people.from.UK.and.their are similarity do.to.inability to.detoxify certain chemicals (smoke and alcohol) are the two.
    So are you saying I should come and see you then.. Are you even in the UK?
    if not then where else could I go to? What do I need to ask for?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by mumbles12 View Post
    So are you saying I should come and see you then.. Are you even in the UK?
    if not then where else could I go to? What do I need to ask for?
    I am saying you need to get with a good health professional who is very knowledgeable about these issues. You have imbalancing going on in multiple system. They are all interconnected just like one biological and neurological Jigsaw puzzle I have found not many Dr's in the UK who are integrative medical specialist. I really feel sorry for people over there. Their health care system is horrible and probably with in the next 10 years UK health will continue to decline unless they do something major overhaul.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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  6. You say hardly, so in that respect we can assume you mean their is somebody right? Im already past the point of "ok im gonna have to pay for this" and am waiting for you to give me something substantial on where to go. Ill even go to europe if I have to.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by mumbles12
    You say hardly, so in that respect we can assume you mean their is somebody right? Im already past the point of "ok im gonna have to pay for this" and am waiting for you to give me something substantial on where to go. Ill even go to europe if I have to.
    Last time.we checked i thought you were in Europe lol
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  8. well yea, but just sayin if i had to go to another country on this continent i would book it off work, i wlecome the travelling, but coming to america might be more difficult, mostly cus ive not done that before haha.

    There are private hospitals, in fact im getting a ct scan for an unerupted canine at a private hospital now (with refferal from another source), but the NHS is not the be all and end all, its getting refferals that are the problem. You say your not a doctor.. im not sure what it is you do but maybe a ref from somebody like yourself would get me whatever tests I need at a private hospital? if i even needed a referal of course..

    Dont worry I lost my faith in the NHS about a year ago, think i stated that in first post lol. But my health is important to me, I really want to take matters in to my own hands, which is probs why im coming off as obsessed :/.

    Would i need medication to combat toxicity? or just diet change? surely you guys in America are just as prone to such things if its a case of environmental? Im no expert but i would have thought so..

    I drink a lot of green tea IDK if that helps? also my only other beverage of choice is water (tap water that is), I dont trust bottled anymore, but I need to think about getting a Britafilter or similar product i rekon..

  9. Quote Originally Posted by mumbles12 View Post
    "Great"!

    so im stuck like this then basically, Im sick of people telling me I look like a methodone addict, while doctors say I look fine.. I cant take much more of this ****, its getting to the point Im afraid to step foot outside the house because im embarrassed of how I look, working out doesnt help because my wrists look like I had rickets as a child, which I have no way of even knowing if I did.. Im 24 this august.. My elbows popped out of placw, tried to get a scan for osteoporosis around the time I got my blood test, those results were years ago btw.. My total t level might be even lower know because I look really ****ing ill, and people in my family think its all in my head, its bull****, there just used to what I look like, and there not exactly role models..

    im ****ing sick of this ****. I know I sound like an impatient, but ive been trying to sort this for a few years and nothing gets done cus its always more *******s to deal with, more refferals that I cant get and am denied, more doctors telling me its my mind and not me physically.. Of course thats why my bones curve inwards, and I cant get a ****ing erection unless its first thing in the morning and even then its only a semi..

    its not me whos neglecting this, its the bastards I have to go to in order to get things put right, they simply "dont give a ****"
    ive changed medical practise twice already, my healths just going from **** to worse, im isolating myself from everyone that I can get away with keeping away from,.. Ive ditched friends ive known for 8 years because of their comments on how I look, they telling me im looking like gollum, im wasting my life trying to sort this out, "wasting", ive ****ing had enough, im ready knife the living **** out of the next evil eyed one eyebrowed doctor that disregards what is happening to me...

    ****ing hate this..
    I have felt the same way as you do. I have certain insecurities of going outside my house and i still do. But thats one of your limiting factors. You need to get out of wherever you are and do some social interaction. Going to work for me sucks but it helps. Not only that, but dont just DO boxing. Have a goal. A goal to win your first fight. Then train for that first fight. Eat right, Supplement right, do things right to get to that goal. The one thing for me that suks is i want somethiung, then i change my mind. And thats one thing you cant do. Pick something that you really want and find a way to get it. You are basically turning your head right left up down and then when you look straight you feel like its good to move forward, but then your worried about the right left up down AGAIN. Just move forward, stop letting fear dictate your life. get out, find goals. COMPETE. and get social.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by mumbles12 View Post
    well yea, but just sayin if i had to go to another country on this continent i would book it off work, i wlecome the travelling, but coming to america might be more difficult, mostly cus ive not done that before haha.

    There are private hospitals, in fact im getting a ct scan for an unerupted canine at a private hospital now (with refferal from another source), but the NHS is not the be all and end all, its getting refferals that are the problem. You say your not a doctor.. im not sure what it is you do but maybe a ref from somebody like yourself would get me whatever tests I need at a private hospital? if i even needed a referal of course..

    Dont worry I lost my faith in the NHS about a year ago, think i stated that in first post lol. But my health is important to me, I really want to take matters in to my own hands, which is probs why im coming off as obsessed :/.

    Would i need medication to combat toxicity? or just diet change? surely you guys in America are just as prone to such things if its a case of environmental? Im no expert but i would have thought so..

    I drink a lot of green tea IDK if that helps? also my only other beverage of choice is water (tap water that is), I dont trust bottled anymore, but I need to think about getting a Britafilter or similar product i rekon..
    Green tea is horrible for you LOL you are causing major thyroid issues due to huge amounts of flouride which cause low iodine levels. Through proper personal and medical history it is usually easy to find out where people are their worst enemy LOL As much as I hate to say its the health nuts are the ones who have the worst imbalance in biochemistry which is mainly brought upon by their own doing...
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  11. Green tea bad for you?..... Jesus christ............
    ive got no comment, ill quit drinking it then, theres me thinking it was detoxing my body..
    Im prone to two cups of it a day lately.

    fluoride in green tea you mean? Or tap water? What the **** am I supposed to drink then that isnt made by the government?
    can I drink water? Yes or no?..

  12. Quote Originally Posted by mumbles12
    Green tea bad for you?..... Jesus christ............
    ive got no comment, ill quit drinking it then, theres me thinking it was detoxing my body..
    Im prone to two cups of it a day lately.

    fluoride in green tea you mean? Or tap water? What the **** am I supposed to drink then that isnt made by the government?
    can I drink water? Yes or no?..
    Both
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  13. So what is the safest water to drink? Or safest anything to drink for that matter.. As in to stay alive but not mess brain up..

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mumbles12
    So what is the safest water to drink? Or safest anything to drink for that matter.. As in to stay alive but not mess brain up..
    Filtered water..
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  15. Lol just been looking at those. Bout time I sorted that. But heres the thing...
    what is better the ones that go under the sink.. The kettle type ones (shape)..
    Then theres of course distillied water which I dont know enough about, but it strips all minerals??

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mumbles12 View Post
    Lol just been looking at those. Bout time I sorted that. But heres the thing...
    what is better the ones that go under the sink.. The kettle type ones (shape)..
    Then theres of course distillied water which I dont know enough about, but it strips all minerals??
    Good water systems cost you about a grand...reverse osmosis is probably the best.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  17. you can spend quite a bit more if you get a whole house filtration and treatment system...especially if you do not haggle. there is more chlorine in my drinking water than in a pool, so it was a given we needed better quality...

  18. Apparently uk tap water is nowhere near as bad as in the States..
    according to what im reading staffordshire (where im from) is natural fluoride, and its at the optimal amount whatever that is, basically its not as bad as all the other parts of the west midlands, or the uk for that matter, doesnt mention stoke on trent specifically though (exact city im in around staffs).

    I dont "actually" have a house of my own, im more a lodger so to speak. Doesnt the filter systems you can buy (cartridges etc) stand to get rid of much or most of the chemicals, idk about chlorine I havent looked for studies on that one.

    im with you 100% on green tea now ive researched it, also doctors tests arent even accurate for thyroid testing due to changing molecules! That sounds bad, you know about that??

    im happy to drink nothing but water for the rest of my life now, but idk how to get it safe. Also do you have any opinion on iodine supplementation, i.e. Logar's iodine 7%.. Havent priced it up yet.. I eat about 5 tins of sardines a week so maybe im getting iodine from that.. But apparently we need 12%??

    answe all but only if you know what im on about hehe..

  19. Quote Originally Posted by mumbles12
    Apparently uk tap water is nowhere near as bad as in the States..
    according to what im reading staffordshire (where im from) is natural fluoride, and its at the optimal amount whatever that is, basically its not as bad as all the other parts of the west midlands, or the uk for that matter, doesnt mention stoke on trent specifically though (exact city im in around staffs).

    I dont "actually" have a house of my own, im more a lodger so to speak. Doesnt the filter systems you can buy (cartridges etc) stand to get rid of much or most of the chemicals, idk about chlorine I havent looked for studies on that one.

    im with you 100% on green tea now ive researched it, also doctors tests arent even accurate for thyroid testing due to changing molecules! That sounds bad, you know about that??

    im happy to drink nothing but water for the rest of my life now, but idk how to get it safe. Also do you have any opinion on iodine supplementation, i.e. Logar's iodine 7%.. Havent priced it up yet.. I eat about 5 tins of sardines a week so maybe im getting iodine from that.. But apparently we need 12%??

    answe all but only if you know what im on about hehe..
    No you are on the right path unlike.most people.who are being lead astray ..
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  20. maybe look into a portable reverse osmosis filter? looks like they run $70 and up. If you are looking at water quality NEVER believe anything that comes from the government, look to independent testing. In the area I am at we have "superior" water cause the 8 chemicals they test for are not in the water. We can use a chlorine test kit for a pool to see how much chlorine was used in the treatment of the water...and the water was so hard in this area that it left iron and calcium scale EVERYWHERE.

  21. Cool, ill take a look at those.. Any "reliable testing kits" I can buy to test the water in our house? Is there any that test for everything? I.e. Clhoride, calcium, ion, fluoride, soidum the lot? Do I actually need to test for everything..?

  22. Been looking at those berkley water filters are they legit?
    they will remove other stuff not the fluoride though,.. Isnt there a way to just combat fluoride build up, or restore balance, i.e. Something to take along with a "standard portable filter?..

  23. Idk if you realise this, but the link you sent me, according to that site im well under the normal range for 95% of the population my age.. Did you actually read the tables??

  24. Quote Originally Posted by mumbles12 View Post
    Idk if you realise this, but the link you sent me, according to that site im well under the normal range for 95% of the population my age.. Did you actually read the tables??

    you posted :
    serum testosterone
    (SCL) normal_satisfactory. 21.5nmol/L. (11_40)



    first chart 25-34 males mean of 21.38
    standard deviation 5.9

    second chart
    under 25 mean 23.97
    standard deviation 5.48



    21.5 you vs 21.38 vs 23.97 and in all cases you are within 1 standard deviation.
    you also dd not state what time of day you had the blood drawn. if you had it drawn at any time other than first thing in the morning then your measurement was low and would be higher if taken at 8am.

    your problem is NOT quantity of testosterone. you can chase then umber all you want, but you should be looking at symptoms NOT numbers.

  25. Test was about 9.30am..

    I see what you mean I get the impression your saying im in the middle because im basically just inbetween the numbers on the table, but I cant help but notice the 95% which is usually 800 to 900 for all the age groups on that table, happens to actually mean like 95% of the population? Whereas a low 300approx would be 5% and so on,.. Thats some wierd **** it doesnt make sense to me lol... Its like saying anyone who isnt 900+ is around 300 and thats only like 5% of the male popluation...(scratches head*)

  26. 95% means that 95% of the population is below that number.

  27. Where do they get the no. From the? Why not just put the no. That 95% of popluation actually is? Doesnt make sense.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by mumbles12 View Post
    Where do they get the no. From the? Why not just put the no. That 95% of popluation actually is? Doesnt make sense.
    Playing number game is going to back fire. I have seen lab test from thousand's of guys and in the beginning I was same mentality. Your T is low blah blah. Now I have learned that micromanaging hormones is dangerous. People get the blinders on and are so focus with numbers and spread sheets. Its like they are on the quest for the flipping holy grail or as David Dunn put it chase the rabbit down the rabbit hole. You become this human hamster in a wheel keeping going round and round. Five years you go back to the forums same, people same problem, still biatching about same old thing..I have done it several times on forums, booked marked and then came back to same place. Guess what I found !! same people still complaining. My approach is to break the cycle for people get them thinking out side the box by using one of the most powerful tools dr's forget about ...Common sense.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  29. Where can I find this... "Common Sense" you speak of?

    Just kidding, im not trying to be annoying either with alls these questions, but I obviously worry too mcuh about this..
    I think im just going have get back into training, obviously I want to start putting weight on now though, granted Im probs gonna build up calories slowly, say 500 evey 3 months or so, cant go wrong then fat wise.. specially being an ecto.

    Im gonna get one of those berkley filters as I cant get an RO system installed , isnt there some way to just "detox" the fluoride every once in a while? a good jug filter should be ok for chlorine and all that other ****e shoudnt it?

    A thing about eating more.... Is it a bad idea to stock up on thing like olive oil? particularly if your trying to get to the 3500 to 4000 calorie mark due to excess omega 6? I was struggling to maintain 160 on 2500 cals so I obviously need more, im gonna go back boxing but just do it recreational and put greater emphasis on strength? lifting.. incorporate some compound lifts 3 times a week, boxing 3 times a week, a friend wants me to do judo with him too, which would be twice a week.. so I imagine im gonna need extra calories eventually, ill start with just getting back in shape for now, then emphasise lifting, im not looking to compete in anything I just want to get bigger and stronger, but still reatain athleticism,, for me if im doing all that stuff and I can maintain 180 ill be happy, but anything lower id probs get all pissy about my weight again..

    I came into this with the mentality that man is healthy, then he incoroprates training to improve, but I think the reality is... Training is mandatory, if you want to be closer to what our ancestors were actually like, as technology has changed our genetics and everything, thats why you get all these crazyskinny ectos, and obese mesos, whilst anyone naturally inbetween is just lucky in this day and age.. I know im definately not comfortable with my weight right now, ive actually lost a few pounds and im down from 145 to 140! havent been eating, and been getting a lot of late night.. I aint taking no damn anti depressants fro mthe doctor, I need to take my heath into my own hands, thats why i took the food intolerance test though, and pretty much sums up why I want to find a better way to drink water than "straight out of the tao" as I feel even that could be affecting me as I struggle to concentrate.. I cant even sit and read a book on something that interests me anymore without getting distracted.. feels like this is what the government wants to do to us?..

  30. Quote Originally Posted by mumbles12 View Post
    Where can I find this... "Common Sense" you speak of?

    Just kidding, im not trying to be annoying either with alls these questions, but I obviously worry too mcuh about this..
    I think im just going have get back into training, obviously I want to start putting weight on now though, granted Im probs gonna build up calories slowly, say 500 evey 3 months or so, cant go wrong then fat wise.. specially being an ecto.

    Im gonna get one of those berkley filters as I cant get an RO system installed , isnt there some way to just "detox" the fluoride every once in a while? a good jug filter should be ok for chlorine and all that other ****e shoudnt it?

    A thing about eating more.... Is it a bad idea to stock up on thing like olive oil? particularly if your trying to get to the 3500 to 4000 calorie mark due to excess omega 6? I was struggling to maintain 160 on 2500 cals so I obviously need more, im gonna go back boxing but just do it recreational and put greater emphasis on strength? lifting.. incorporate some compound lifts 3 times a week, boxing 3 times a week, a friend wants me to do judo with him too, which would be twice a week.. so I imagine im gonna need extra calories eventually, ill start with just getting back in shape for now, then emphasise lifting, im not looking to compete in anything I just want to get bigger and stronger, but still reatain athleticism,, for me if im doing all that stuff and I can maintain 180 ill be happy, but anything lower id probs get all pissy about my weight again..

    I came into this with the mentality that man is healthy, then he incoroprates training to improve, but I think the reality is... Training is mandatory, if you want to be closer to what our ancestors were actually like, as technology has changed our genetics and everything, thats why you get all these crazyskinny ectos, and obese mesos, whilst anyone naturally inbetween is just lucky in this day and age.. I know im definately not comfortable with my weight right now, ive actually lost a few pounds and im down from 145 to 140! havent been eating, and been getting a lot of late night.. I aint taking no damn anti depressants fro mthe doctor, I need to take my heath into my own hands, thats why i took the food intolerance test though, and pretty much sums up why I want to find a better way to drink water than "straight out of the tao" as I feel even that could be affecting me as I struggle to concentrate.. I cant even sit and read a book on something that interests me anymore without getting distracted.. feels like this is what the government wants to do to us?..
    You need to look in to neurotransmitter imbalances as well as what is the potential underlying cause of why you are having these issues.
    These are done by examining the immune, endocrine, environmental, structural, lifestyle, psychological imbalances which maybe hidden. People who think they can deal with it them selves are mistaken because as I found out from numerous people our judgement becomes clouded resulting in going down a specific pathway where it be just hormone, thyroid, or what ever. It is when we pull our selves out of he situation and look from to outside in then will we see the real picture unfold. I spent many years chasing my hormones, adrenals, ect through trying to hit the magic numbers on labs. No longer do I suggest this, but I do use labs as a diagnostic tool to help make the best medical sound suggestions for Dr's for their patients. This approach has worked extremely well over the past several years. It is now opening many doors to other medical professionals who have heard from other Dr's about how it has benefited their patients as well as their practice...
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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