BEST OTC A.I - dim, calcium d gluconate, myomin?

[miniarnold]

What is generally the best otc natural a.i from those above, i believe dim is quite popular seems the general consensous is its effective
but does it balance estrogens instead of actually lowering them?
is indoplex supposidly the best dim to take?

how about calcium d gluconate, and myomin anyone have any experience or info on these, i hear they are both effective particularly calcium d gluconate?

Anyone any experience with these

Thanks.

[pmgamer18]

I can talk about the other AI 's you listed but I can talk about Indolplex/DIM if your not to high over 50 pg/ml you can keep E2 in check using Zinc/Copper 50 mgs/ 2 mgs and adding in Indolplex/DIM but be careful there is a lot of junk sold out there if your Indolplex/DIM dose not come in tablets that you can cut up in most case's it's not good stuff.

What is generally the best otc natural a.i from those above, i believe dim is quite popular seems the general consensous is its effective
but does it balance estrogens instead of actually lowering them?
is indoplex supposidly the best dim to take?

how about calcium d gluconate, and myomin anyone have any experience or info on these, i hear they are both effective particularly calcium d gluconate?

Anyone any experience with these

Thanks.

[The Matrix]

What is generally the best otc natural a.i from those above, i believe dim is quite popular seems the general consensous is its effective
but does it balance estrogens instead of actually lowering them?
is indoplex supposidly the best dim to take?

how about calcium d gluconate, and myomin anyone have any experience or info on these, i hear they are both effective particularly calcium d gluconate?

Anyone any experience with these

Thanks.

Best solution to the problem is find out what is causing it rise in the first place. In the mean time, DIM with TMG is good, but can raise e2. Myomin you do not know what other alterations on of cyp 450 it causing. Calcium D glucurate is good for people with suspected altered GI issues. Zinc 50 mgs picolate with 2 mgs copper taken seperately. I know there is an arguement for this but I have way too many people having clinically results with low copper levels when zinc is taken together which do not lie. OPtimal ratio is 8:1 Zn:cu <30 mgs >50 mgs then 2 mgs should be enough to offset the imbalance. PMGamer, myself and multiple others have been taking 50 mgs with 2 gms of copper for a while and the results where low copper levels. As a precaution I recommend people take them apart to avoid this potential complication. Just because you have copper in multiple vitamin does not protect you from deficiency since ratios are usually 30:1 Zn:1

[ambulldog]

erase, period...

[The Matrix]

I just started a guy who was low T on DAA and erase and we have a starting base line and will retest in 3 weeks. Should be interesting to see the results. Is erases as good as aromasin and what dosage would you compare it too?

[fanzdslpwr1]

how amazing, there was a doc guru on Doctor OZ show today recommending 200mg of DIM for to get rid of butt fat. how about eating right and working out.

[The Matrix]

how amazing, there was a doc guru on Doctor OZ show today recommending 200mg of DIM for to get rid of butt fat. how about eating right and working out.

Yes and most people are under lmethylated which DIm is not going to any good any way LOL

[miniarnold]

Dim is an estrogen balancer working by reducing the bad estrogens and raising the good estrogens and not technically an AI correct?

So indoplex dim by enzymatic therapy is the best dim to get, can 2 pills be taken per day?

Or is the bioresponse nutrients dim better? (supposidly more apsorbable)


Oh yea and cant use anything like erase, need something very natural and affordable that works (as best as natural products can that is)

Keen to try out dim or calcium d gluconate as a natural means to lower estrogen, anyone used or know much about calcium d gluconate, i believe its used an AI and not an estrogen balancer like dim and myomin?

Thanks guys

[kevinhy]

erase, period...

Agreed.

I just started a guy who was low T on DAA and erase and we have a starting base line and will retest in 3 weeks. Should be interesting to see the results. Is erases as good as aromasin and what dosage would you compare it too?

Some have compared 50-75mg to 12.5mg aromasin.

[miniarnold]

Dim is an estrogen balancer working by reducing the bad estrogens and raising the good estrogens and not technically an AI correct?

So indoplex dim by enzymatic therapy is the best dim to get, can 2 pills be taken per day?

Or is the bioresponse nutrients dim better? (supposidly more apsorbable)


Oh yea and cant use anything like erase, need something very natural and affordable that works (as best as natural products can that is)

Keen to try out dim or calcium d gluconate as a natural means to lower estrogen, anyone used or know much about calcium d gluconate, i believe its used an AI and not an estrogen balancer like dim and myomin?

Thanks guys

[The Matrix]

Agreed.

Some have compared 50-75mg to 12.5mg aromasin.

Kind of interest in this being used as alternative to aromasin which may be cheaper in the long run. My concern is what other pathways is it altering in the process..

[kevinhy]

Kind of interest in this being used as alternative to aromasin which may be cheaper in the long run. My concern is what other pathways is it altering in the process..

11b-hsd, the cortisone/cortisol pathway.

[ohiostate2827]

11b-hsd, the cortisone/cortisol pathway.

whats the side effect of that being altered?

[kevinhy]

whats the side effect of that being altered?

Lower cortisol, typically a good thing since high stress lifestyles and hard training often leads to elevated levels. I'm unsure of the long term repercussions of it though.

[ohiostate2827]

I just started a guy who was low T on DAA and erase and we have a starting base line and will retest in 3 weeks. Should be interesting to see the results. Is erases as good as aromasin and what dosage would you compare it too?

cant wait to see the results on that one

[T-Bone]

how amazing, there was a doc guru on Doctor OZ show today recommending 200mg of DIM for to get rid of butt fat. how about eating right and working out.

Watching Dr.Oz with the other housewives are you?.

[The Matrix]

Watching Dr.Oz with the other housewives are you?.

They made a complete azz of Dr oz and medical profession is losing his respect.

[ohiostate2827]

must be running out of topics to keep the show going

[fanzdslpwr1]

pretty much so. my days off are in the middle of the week and definately not much on daytime TV.

[fanzdslpwr1]

the thing is though, somebody is buying DIM for a fat ass!