BEST OTC A.I - dim, calcium d gluconate, myomin?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    There are better choice IMO as I already noted..
    all natural ais such as?


  2. re the original question: these are not aromatase inhibitors.

    re the need for perfectly natural antiestrogens:
    i3c is superior to dim in my opinion, in every way healthier. available online with broccoli extract for pennies a day. good supp.
    zinc is a good natural ai IF you take enough, but is very oxidative and can cause mineral imbalances at those doses over long periods, so not a good idea...
    resveratrol is a good natural antiestrogen with serm-like properties and is extrermely healthy overall.
    in my opinion, by far the BEST PERFECTLY NATURAL aromatase inhibitor is 7-methoxy.
    can be had in bulk powder online, or found in many otc ai supps...
    7-methoxy is highly underrated, imo, and extremely effective.

    if i had to recommend an arimistane (erase) product, it would be pct revolution black.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by jin
    re the original question: these are not aromatase inhibitors.

    re the need for perfectly natural antiestrogens:
    i3c is superior to dim in my opinion, in every way healthier. available online with broccoli extract for pennies a day. good supp.
    zinc is a good natural ai IF you take enough, but is very oxidative and can cause mineral imbalances at those doses over long periods, so not a good idea...
    resveratrol is a good natural antiestrogen with serm-like properties and is extrermely healthy overall.
    in my opinion, by far the BEST PERFECTLY NATURAL aromatase inhibitor is 7-methoxy.
    can be had in bulk powder online, or found in many otc ai supps...
    7-methoxy is highly underrated, imo, and extremely effective.

    if i had to recommend an arimistane (erase) product, it would be pct revolution black.
    Lets put theory to the test. Have some one over 50 e2 and then have him take it then monitor the response through clinical testing over a 4 ,8 week period
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  4. [QUOTE=jin;3383526]
    in my opinion, by far the BEST PERFECTLY NATURAL aromatase inhibitor is 7-methoxy.
    can be had in bulk powder online, or found in many otc ai supps...
    7-methoxy is highly underrated, imo, and extremely effective.
    QUOTE]


    I have been looking at a few others also, dont think much of the ones you mention, but i will look into 7-methoxy in particular only if it is all natural and an effective ai, i can only use all natural supps.
    Thanx.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    re the original question: these are not aromatase inhibitors.

    re the need for perfectly natural antiestrogens:
    i3c is superior to dim in my opinion, in every way healthier. available online with broccoli extract for pennies a day. good supp.
    zinc is a good natural ai IF you take enough, but is very oxidative and can cause mineral imbalances at those doses over long periods, so not a good idea...
    resveratrol is a good natural antiestrogen with serm-like properties and is extrermely healthy overall.
    in my opinion, by far the BEST PERFECTLY NATURAL aromatase inhibitor is 7-methoxy.
    can be had in bulk powder online, or found in many otc ai supps...
    7-methoxy is highly underrated, imo, and extremely effective.

    if i had to recommend an arimistane (erase) product, it would be pct revolution black.
    is 7-methoxy chrysin ?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    is 7-methoxy chrysin ?
    I also need to find out what 7-methoxy , what its full chemical name is ?
    as theres alot of compunds that have this in them
    pretty sure its not chrysin

  7. Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    I also need to find out what 7-methoxy , what its full chemical name is ?
    as theres alot of compunds that have this in them
    pretty sure its not chrysin

    whos your supplier?

  8. it is the same stuff in ax's pct product.
    you can get bulk powder on the intawebz easily enough, and cheap.
    full chemical info and structure here:
    http://www.wolframalpha.com/entities...vone/am/y0/6s/
    here is ax's writeup on it (not plugging their stuff, as this same compound shows up in a lot of other pct products, too, just that this write-up is sufficiently technical while being easy enough to get your head around):
    http://support.athleticxtreme.com/cu...ethoxyflavone-

    if you wanna know where i get my bulk powder, pm me.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    it is the same stuff in ax's pct product.
    you can get bulk powder on the intawebz easily enough, and cheap.
    full chemical info and structure here:
    http://www.wolframalpha.com/entities...vone/am/y0/6s/
    here is ax's writeup on it (not plugging their stuff, as this same compound shows up in a lot of other pct products, too, just that this write-up is sufficiently technical while being easy enough to get your head around):
    http://support.athleticxtreme.com/cu...ethoxyflavone-

    if you wanna know where i get my bulk powder, pm me.
    Do you have before and after labs to prove it does what it claims...? Sorry but I am a skeptic until I see the proof.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    it is the same stuff in ax's pct product.
    you can get bulk powder on the intawebz easily enough, and cheap.
    full chemical info and structure here:
    http://www.wolframalpha.com/entities...vone/am/y0/6s/
    here is ax's writeup on it (not plugging their stuff, as this same compound shows up in a lot of other pct products, too, just that this write-up is sufficiently technical while being easy enough to get your head around):
    http://support.athleticxtreme.com/cu...ethoxyflavone-

    if you wanna know where i get my bulk powder, pm me.

    Good links bro,
    So 7-methoxyflavone is totally natural and has no steroidial properties?
    Have you used it as an AI if so what results did you have, dosage used?
    THANKS

  11. Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    Good links bro,
    So 7-methoxyflavone is totally natural and has no steroidial properties?
    Have you used it as an AI if so what results did you have, dosage used?
    THANKS
    Let see take 3 members pre and post e2 to verify this. Anedoctal with e2 levels is not accessible I want to see actually proof with lab tests from unbiased people.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Do you have before and after labs to prove it does what it claims...? Sorry but I am a skeptic until I see the proof.
    yeah man, i feel you...
    but, no.
    i do not.
    actually, i have gone through a few bottles of packaged 7-methoxy pct-type products, stacked with assorted testboosting chems and herbals, and have had good results each time...
    actually, i have had better results on this sort of regimin than i have had on some ds/ph stacks... just my experience.
    lately, being the last couple years, i have gone through a couple of 10gram sacks of 7-methoxy (chemx usually has the bulk powder, but sometimes they are out), a couple bottles of letro, aromasin, nolva, and i am sure a few other things that i am not remembering well now - including some dim and i3c products, actually...
    and, frankly, i have had as good or better experiences on the 7-methoxy/testboosting stacks than i have had with everything else.
    no labs, but i guess i could get them (if you wanna pay for them!!!).
    fact is that the stuff is not expensive, readily available, and given the number of supp companies using the stuff, information about its legality for competitions and so on is best gotten from them...
    just shoot ax an email and see what they have to say about all natty comps.
    stuff is natural, as natural as can be aside from sucking on grape-seeds and snorting resveratrol...

  13. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Let see take 3 members pre and post e2 to verify this. Anedoctal with e2 levels is not accessible I want to see actually proof with lab tests from unbiased people.
    maybe Atheltic xtreme rep could provide labtest results as its contained in their pct product.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by corsaking

    maybe Atheltic xtreme rep could provide labtest results as its contained in their pct product.
    More concerned its possibility of using it for natural AI for people with natural high e2 or on hrt. Not pct for pro hormone cycle which are imo are more dangerous then using real thing since they have not been studied long term like roids have been..
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    More concerned its possibility of using it for natural AI for people with natural high e2 or on hrt. Not pct for pro hormone cycle which are imo are more dangerous then using real thing since they have not been studied long term like roids have been..
    i second that .

  16. Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    yeah man, i feel you...
    but, no.
    i do not.
    actually, i have gone through a few bottles of packaged 7-methoxy pct-type products, stacked with assorted testboosting chems and herbals, and have had good results each time...
    actually, i have had better results on this sort of regimin than i have had on some ds/ph stacks... just my experience.
    lately, being the last couple years, i have gone through a couple of 10gram sacks of 7-methoxy (chemx usually has the bulk powder, but sometimes they are out), a couple bottles of letro, aromasin, nolva, and i am sure a few other things that i am not remembering well now - including some dim and i3c products, actually...
    and, frankly, i have had as good or better experiences on the 7-methoxy/testboosting stacks than i have had with everything else.
    no labs, but i guess i could get them (if you wanna pay for them!!!).
    fact is that the stuff is not expensive, readily available, and given the number of supp companies using the stuff, information about its legality for competitions and so on is best gotten from them...
    just shoot ax an email and see what they have to say about all natty comps.
    stuff is natural, as natural as can be aside from sucking on grape-seeds and snorting resveratrol...

    Sounds good got me interested to try the 7-methoxy, i see its in certain otc supps which i can get but would rather try it solo as a plain ingrediant but cant seem to source it in the uk.......you say its available in the US as a pure bulk product?
    Do you have any experience and physical benefits/effects from using it solo, or even with other supps but with 7-methoxy being the only ai you used at the time?
    All natty across the board and supposidly very effective, it seems worth looking at

  17. Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold

    Sounds good got me interested to try the 7-methoxy, i see its in certain otc supps which i can get but would rather try it solo as a plain ingrediant but cant seem to source it in the uk.......you say its available in the US as a pure bulk product?
    Do you have any experience and physical benefits/effects from using it solo, or even with other supps but with 7-methoxy being the only ai you used at the time?
    All natty across the board and supposidly very effective, it seems worth looking at
    Lets test it.
    Show me the data..I know people with e2 issues and would be willing to try some thing then test it will clinical testing to verify ..
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    re the original question: these are not aromatase inhibitors.

    re the need for perfectly natural antiestrogens:
    i3c is superior to dim in my opinion, in every way healthier. available online with broccoli extract for pennies a day. good supp.
    zinc is a good natural ai IF you take enough, but is very oxidative and can cause mineral imbalances at those doses over long periods, so not a good idea...
    resveratrol is a good natural antiestrogen with serm-like properties and is extrermely healthy overall.
    in my opinion, by far the BEST PERFECTLY NATURAL aromatase inhibitor is 7-methoxy.
    can be had in bulk powder online, or found in many otc ai supps...
    7-methoxy is highly underrated, imo, and extremely effective.

    if i had to recommend an arimistane (erase) product, it would be pct revolution black.
    Where can buy 7-methoxy in bulk?
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