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  1. good info


  2. Quote Originally Posted by fanzdslpwr1 View Post
    good info
    Yes I am getting away from the hormone band wagon with guys <35 and going after root causes by exploring multiple factors. As many have found some times complementing HRT by addressing other areas may allow them to get more benefit out of their current therapy. It have also help them to get off of exogenous testosterone replacement therapy which they have been on some times for several years. My concern is health of the person whole family not just men. If a child is sick it can result in declining the parents health dramatically. With out getting into too much detail in heart wrenching case I am currently working on the mental well being of the child is possible driving the parent into a doing the unthinkable. After seeing the multiple pages of labs she has red flags for this same mutation showing up which did not surprise me one bit...The effect of these gene expression can have a profound effect on multiple areas of a person well being. Fanzdspwr1 is find out this first hand as we are investigating this with him from a few markers which caught my eye which would have slipped right through traditional medicine because they are completely in normal range. If one was to ask a normal medicine dr his response "those are some of the best numbers I have seen" not knowing what the true consequence of them really are..
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by anathemax View Post
    Matrix - very interesting. I will say that the first several posts did come off as somewhat alarmist, I think the rushed phone typing was the biggest culprit though.

    What is the exact test that one would look for? C677T and 1298 mthfr mutation? I'm curious, as I have a couple of different friends with autistic children - Luckily mine have shown no symptoms as of yet, but they are very young and still receiving immunizations.

    So far we have had absolutely zero luck in our area finding a pediatrician willing to space out these vaccinations, despite our slight reservations. Of course I have no idea what the content of these immunizations have been, or even if myself or my children have these mutations. I'd like a little more information on what exact test should be run, and what we would be looking for. Curiosity piqued.
    MTHFR gene mutation is what my daughter's test says. From what I understand, this will test the most common C677t and 1298 mutations. My daughter's pediatrician wanted nothing to do with additional vaccinations once she read up on MTHFR and autism. The doctor will work with whatever schedule the specialist agrees to.

  4. Dr klinghardt my brother woulda been autistic if we woulda vaccinated

  5. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    People need to be aware of the potential risks when certain factors which may be involved for the sake of the children. Obviously something is going on if autism is on the rise by well over 1/3, food allergies in children are also dramatically on the rise. If we are.not proactive then no one else will be.
    This is still a bit alarmist here.

    The definition and diagnosis of autism has drastically changed over the years similar to ADD. Hell, now if you are in introvert you have a marker for autism.

    There is no brain-imaging test for autism, let alone a blood test or other rigorously objective diagnostic. Instead, physicians determine whether someone fits the criteria laid out in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, or DSM.


    The manual has undergone significant changes over the years, including in the diagnostic criteria for autism. In its current version, someone must fit at least eight of 16 criteria, including symptoms involving social interaction, communication, and repetitive or restricted behaviors and interests.


    The previous version was stricter, describing one diagnostic criterion as “a pervasive lack of responsiveness to other people.” In the current manual, that became “a lack of spontaneous seeking to share …. achievements with other people” and friendships that appear less sophisticated than the norm for a child’s age.


    The earlier manual also required “gross deficits in language development” and “peculiar speech patterns” for a diagnosis, while the current one lists difficulty “sustain(ing) a conversation” or “lack of varied . . . social imitative play.”


    Morton Ann Gernsbacher, a professor of psychology and autism researcher at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, and others have cited these changes to question the reality of the reported autism increase.
    As for the link to vaccines. Again, this is voodoo science. Not one case can be linked back to vaccines for autism. Again, autism is a diagnosis of exclusion. The rise of autism coincides with prominent vaccinations, but ironically also coincides with the morphing of autism definition.

    And Standon... I believe you are trying to say your doc said your brother woulda been autistic if he was vaccinated? Am I correct in that as your syntax of your sentence is off. If that was the intention of your post your doctor is expressing his beliefs upon you rather than stating science. Sort of like a Judge Activist.

    A bit alarming the other way, but quite a bit of truth in there. Mashup from the rest of the intertubes.

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  6. Quote Originally Posted by standon View Post
    Dr klinghardt my brother woulda been autistic if we woulda vaccinated
    i have read alot of Dr Klinghardt research. Its the stuff which I thrive on bringing to enlighten and share with other medical professionals. I have been saying this for years alot of the pathology of diseases can be linked by to simple chemical imbalances leading expression of genes which are precipitated from stressor (structural, biological, neurological, emotional, lifestyle, environmental). Majority of what we are dealing are only symptoms coming from expressions of deeper underlying issues. I'm sure Most Drs would refer to him as a quack because he goes out side the box of traditional medicine.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
  7. I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  8. You seem to be a bit of an alarmist, Matrix. I'm not saying that you don't have interesting takes on things, but I feel like you run around yelling fire sometimes.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    You seem to be a bit of an alarmist, Matrix. I'm not saying that you don't have interesting takes on things, but I feel like you run around yelling fire sometimes.
    No its not being alarming its called giving you food for thought, but as Subtemp mentioned it hit home with his DR. After going to a seminar, and mention what I was finding in the past year or so. Other medical professionals started testing it and finding the same thing !! If I did not find it with parent they would have no clue. now other children have a chance...
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  10. But a chance with what? I understand you are providing information, but do you have a stance? Are we talking about modified immunization schedules, no immunization, other?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    But a chance with what? I understand you are providing information, but do you have a stance? Are we talking about modified immunization schedules, no immunization, other?
    Need to talk this over with your pediatrician you may want to contact Subtemp. I am just the messenger and cataylst....
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Need to talk this over with your pediatrician you may want to contact Subtemp. I am just the messenger and cataylst....
    Lol, thx. We have this covered, I was just wondering if you had a stance since you have been posting this stuff.

  13. Shawn is also an upmost asset!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Lol, thx. We have this covered, I was just wondering if you had a stance since you have been posting this stuff.

    Since posting this stuff and bring it to attention of medical professionals in my area. They are now being proactive and spreading the world around to other practioners. If there was not validity or concern about this then Dr's would not have had such a proactive response. I posted it on well respected medical forums and word is getting passed along. Look at the response, it prompted on subtemp Dr...
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  15. I am trying to find this study linking the two definitively but all I can find are refernces on vaccination alarmist websites. Do you have a link directly to a reputable print company with this reviewed study?

    I am also trying to find you as a leader in these articles about the recent find in gene mutations: http://healthland.time.com/2012/04/0...older-fathers/

    That references age and genetic predisposition for the genetic mutation.

    Lastly, only advocacy groups are the ones making the link.. the international medical community has blatantly rejected the notion.

    Side interesting read: http://www.babycenter.com/0_vaccines...ion_1470554.bc
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Since posting this stuff and bring it to attention of medical professionals in my area. They are now being proactive and spreading the world around to other practioners. If there was not validity or concern about this then Dr's would not have had such a proactive response. I posted it on well respected medical forums and word is getting passed along. Look at the response, it prompted on subtemp Dr...
    I'm sure you are a great guy and good at what you do, but are you seriously trying to tell us that you are finding biased articles and giving them to real doctors- who are then spreading the word?

    Please post the sites you are getting the positive response on, I want to read what people are saying. If these are sites that are just saying don't vaccinate, then so be it. I am just interested in both sides. Obviously, I am pro vaccination with a modified schedule. That kind of puts us in the middle of a lot of people, so I like to read both sides.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    I'm sure you are a great guy and good at what you do, but are you seriously trying to tell us that you are finding biased articles and giving them to real doctors- who are then spreading the word?

    Please post the sites you are getting the positive response on, I want to read what people are saying. If these are sites that are just saying don't vaccinate, then so be it. I am just interested in both sides. Obviously, I am pro vaccination with a modified schedule. That kind of puts us in the middle of a lot of people, so I like to read both sides.
    I am not giving them articles People twist things around read into things. I just brought it to the attention of medical professionals people found with this mutation as well as their children are a greater chance of developing issues down the road (CVD, heart disease,neurological ect..). The Dr is the one who does the research and made the determination from there. You are missing the whole point, its no pro or against vaccination. Its about having vaccination schedule spread out over a specific duration of time when they have this mutation present to prevent mercury overload for the child, When it comes to parents they are like "just do what the Dr saids" never knowing they have a choice and not being informed. Dr's get so busy seeing patients, at the end of the day they want to go home and relax. Last thing they want to do is go on line to watch a 2 hour webinar of some medical subject. To stay up on top of everything coming out from all angles is like ajob and half itself. I found out about this gene about 6 years ago, by dumb luck studying schizophrenia which my RBC EFA profile represented and finding out I had a homocysteine levels of 3.5 which to a DR is excellent. The real fact it was more dangerous then high homocysteine levels. Women who have multiple drop pregency are at higher risk for having this mutation. I have worked cases in the past with multiple miscarriages dr's could not explain why, I had them test MTHFR Bingo.. Once correcting the mutation along with Dr close supervision she went on to concieve their first child. It was never the hormones, but something out side. All expected mothers I am recommending having hair analysis and proper blood work looking for mutations and other nutritional deficiency..
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    I am not giving them articles People twist things around read into things. I just brought it to the attention of medical professionals people found with this mutation as well as their children are a greater chance of developing issues down the road (CVD, heart disease,neurological ect..). The Dr is the one who does the research and made the determination from there. You are missing the whole point, its no pro or against vaccination. Its about having vaccination schedule spread out over a specific duration of time when they have this mutation present to prevent mercury overload for the child, When it comes to parents they are like "just do what the Dr saids" never knowing they have a choice and not being informed. Dr's get so busy seeing patients, at the end of the day they want to go home and relax. Last thing they want to do is go on line to watch a 2 hour webinar of some medical subject. To stay up on top of everything coming out from all angles is like ajob and half itself. I found out about this gene about 6 years ago, by dumb luck studying schizophrenia which my RBC EFA profile represented and finding out I had a homocysteine levels of 3.5 which to a DR is excellent. The real fact it was more dangerous then high homocysteine levels. Women who have multiple drop pregency are at higher risk for having this mutation. I have worked cases in the past with multiple miscarriages dr's could not explain why, I had them test MTHFR Bingo.. Once correcting the mutation along with Dr close supervision she went on to concieve their first child. It was never the hormones, but something out side. All expected mothers I am recommending having hair analysis and proper blood work looking for mutations and other nutritional deficiency..
    Thank you- I knew there was a stance in there somewhere. It is what we did and it is fairly common with all the pediatricians we interviewed around here. They seem to really believe that the modified schedule is the way to go and are supportive of parents that want to do this.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by fanzdslpwr1 View Post
    Shawn is also an upmost asset!
    Check you email ASAP
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  21. I got it thanks.

  22. already starting to feel better (especially the last few days). Its amazing how the GI tract is linked to this and my other health issues as well. Just beginning to scratch the surface like you said. The best thing was actually going to see you and get bloods done. If I didn't I probaly would just continue to break down. Now I know where I am at. I will see you next week and soon will be getting the kids tested. Thanks!

  23. Quote Originally Posted by fanzdslpwr1
    already starting to feel better (especially the last few days). Its amazing how the GI tract is linked to this and my other health issues as well. Just beginning to scratch the surface like you said. The best thing was actually going to see you and get bloods done. If I didn't I probaly would just continue to break down. Now I know where I am at. I will see you next week and soon will be getting the kids tested. Thanks!
    Glad to have been able to help you and your family to be better educated to make the right choices.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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