Anti-aging doctors

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by hitest View Post
    OK, your point about the salesman thing rings true but I have to say some things in defense of the Matrix. We all have to make a living and this is at least part of how he does it. It is obvious that he can't just give away all his advice for free and expect to have any paying customers. You are right that his sharing is pretty limited because of this but he still does share some. He has not made a secret of his need to protect his interests either as he has explicitly posted about this. You typically won't find medical professionals of any type giving free consults in any forum. They are generally salesman too and that probably goes triple for anti-aging doctors. Regarding the value of an MD, it is true that medical schools simply do not provide much training in many of the topics that are discussed on this board. The MD does imply some level of intelligence (although this varies widely) and they may have gained experience with some patients (so has the Matrix and to a lesser extent we do too from reading these boards) but as medical science still does not have all the answers even the best doctors will be struggling with many of these issues.
    Medicine is an ever expanded field, new stuff is coming out faster then one can keep up with it. With each new case you learn something new or a more efficient way of doing things. Protocols are constantly being tweaked and are based on an person individual needs. Dr's do not have the time to spend researching or going to seminars which I attend on weekends on my own time to allow me to better educated, spend hours a week talking to other professionals helping with them with cases they ask me to research. To stay on some the latest trends of medicine is a full time job in and among it self. Majority of the advances which are made are based in new advances in autism which I then use with Dr's dealing with majority of cases which are associated with hormonal imbalances. I post when I can because I have several cases I work on a week, on top of running personal training business. Some times have to get up at 2-4 am in order to deal with a case in another country. I do and share what I know, but with out the proper information about the case its all just speculation. People are starting to see the importance in an integrative approach is much more diverse then dealing with only one area which may be just a symptom of the cause. You think hormones are a challenge imagine integrating, neurology, immune, cellular metabolism, toxcity, GI, lifestyles, and all the others which go into the equation. Then it gets to be fun LOL
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Medicine is an ever expanded field, new stuff is coming out faster then one can keep up with it. With each new case you learn something new or a more efficient way of doing things. Protocols are constantly being tweaked and are based on an person individual needs. Dr's do not have the time to spend researching or going to seminars which I attend on weekends on my own time to allow me to better educated, spend hours a week talking to other professionals helping with them with cases they ask me to research. To stay on some the latest trends of medicine is a full time job in and among it self. Majority of the advances which are made are based in new advances in autism which I then use with Dr's dealing with majority of cases which are associated with hormonal imbalances. I post when I can because I have several cases I work on a week, on top of running personal training business. Some times have to get up at 2-4 am in order to deal with a case in another country. I do and share what I know, but with out the proper information about the case its all just speculation. People are starting to see the importance in an integrative approach is much more diverse then dealing with only one area which may be just a symptom of the cause. You think hormones are a challenge imagine integrating, neurology, immune, cellular metabolism, toxcity, GI, lifestyles, and all the others which go into the equation. Then it gets to be fun LOL
    I still cannot imagine any doctor worth their weight in salt relying upon synopsis of seminars and etc. provided by a lay person. It is bad enough that doctors listen to device reps and drug reps, but relying upon some dude who can barely articulate basic points . . . Good doctors and doctors I know, including family members, clients and close personal friends, are avid researchers and stay abreast of new developments in their field by their own reading amd interpretations as opposed to a second hand synopsis that may or may not be accurate from a lay person. If the doctors you work with are unable to research and stay on top of their speciality, then I would stay far away from those doctors. Perhaps you are compensated more on a basis of referral which may have STARK compliance issues. Not that I want or need any explanation. Things are just not always as they appear.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    I still cannot imagine any doctor worth their weight in salt relying upon synopsis of seminars and etc. provided by a lay person. It us bad enough that doctors listen to device reps and drug reps, but relying upon some dude who can barely articulate basic points . . . Yes, good doctors and doctors I know, including family members, clients and close personal friends, are avid researchers and stay abreast of new developments in their field by their own reading amd interpretations as opposed to a second hand synopsis that may or may nit be accurate from a lay person. If the doctors you work with are able to research and stay on top of their speciality, then I would stat far away from those doctors. Perhaps you are compensated more on a basis of referral which may have STARK compliance issues.
    It is hard enough for researchers to stay abreast of their specialties let alone doctors that have to spend their time seeing patients. A layperson is someone that is not an expert in a given field of knowledge. Someone that studies a field extensively can become an expert in it regardless of their formal training. It is safe to say that the Matrix has studied a lot but whether he has learned enough to be considered an expert is debatable. My impression is that he has learned at least some useful things. Doctors are expected to at least keep up with the standard of care in their field. This typically lags research by many years. People come to these boards with problems for which the standard of care has no solutions. While doctors are experts in the standard of care for their specialties they are often not experts in the next generation of medical research even in their field. There is some slack here that can be taken up by other "experts". The nice thing about these forums is that people that have learned something can share it with everyone.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by hitest View Post
    It is hard enough for researchers to stay abreast of their specialties let alone doctors that have to spend their time seeing patients. A layperson is someone that is not an expert in a given field of knowledge. Someone that studies a field extensively can become an expert in it regardless of their formal training. It is safe to say that the Matrix has studied a lot but whether he has learned enough to be considered an expert is debatable. My impression is that he has learned at least some useful things. Doctors are expected to at least keep up with the standard of care in their field. This typically lags research by many years. People come to these boards with problems for which the standard of care has no solutions. While doctors are experts in the standard of care for their specialties they are often not experts in the next generation of medical research even in their field. There is some slack here that can be taken up by other "experts". The nice thing about these forums is that people that have learned something can share it with everyone.
    I hear what you are saying, but this is a very naive view. I represented doctors of all specialities for 16 years. I spent 16 years discussing standard of care issues in every speciality imaginable and from every angle possible. I have to coach and work with many doctors on that very topic. Good doctors simply do not rely upon lay people in the manner in which you suggest. There are a litany of reasons which need not be discussed here.

    The standard of care is a legal standard that has very little relevance to dsy to day decisions made by doctors in their treatment if patients. Good doctors strive to provide the best care possible, not the minimally acceptable level of care that is just good enough to not be deemed negligent. Mistakes sometime occur during medical treatment. The standard of care merely has relevance in determining whether those "mistakes" actually fell below the minimally acceptable level of care such that an action if negligence may be sustained. A competent doctor never strives to provide the bare minimum level of care, i.e. standard of care.

    As a lawyer, I would never rely upon a lay person to research important issues or read cases and advise me as to what those cases hold. I am trained to read and analyze cases and see things and wordings that others may not see. This would also be a violation of legal ethics as constituting the unauthorized practice of law. I believe the same holds true for doctors when their patient's health or life may be at stake.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    I hear what you are saying, but this is a very naive view. I represented doctors of all specialities for 16 years. I spent 16 years discussing standard of care issues in every speciality imaginable and from every angle possible. I have to coach and work with many doctors on that very topic. Good doctors simply do not rely upon lay people in the manner in which you suggest. There are a litany of reasons which need not be discussed here.

    The standard of care is a legal standard that has very little relevance to dsy to day decisions made by doctors in their treatment if patients. Good doctors strive to provide the best care possible, not the minimally acceptable level of care that is just good enough to not be deemed negligent. Mistakes sometime occur during medical treatment. The standard of care merely has relevance in determining whether those "mistakes" actually fell below the minimally acceptable level of care such that an action if negligence may be sustained. A competent doctor never strives to provide the bare minimum level of care, i.e. standard of care.

    As a lawyer, I would never rely upon a lay person to research important issues or read cases and advise me as to what those cases hold. I am trained to read and analyze cases and see things and wordings that others may not see. This would also be a violation of legal ethics as constituting the unauthorized practice of law. I believe the same holds true for doctors when their patient's health or life may be at stake.
    I was not addressing the question about whether a doctor should or should not work with the Matrix. The fact he had established such an unusual relationship is either to his credit or to the doctor's discredit. Your position is clear but I'm agnostic on this subject. Either you are assuming that the Matrix is incompetent or you are conflating the term layperson with someone that has no medical credential. If in fact the Matrix has useful expertise than it could make sense for a doctor to take advantage of it at what I am sure is a substantially lower cost than his own time. Ultimately doctors must take responsibility for the patient care but I'm sure they are free to use whatever sources of information they believe they can trust.
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  6. The drs have the choice where they get their information. If medical professionals (MD do nd) find information invalid then they would not refer more cases
    Again the cases are referred by drs are then discussed with their Dr to come up with the best therapeutic protocol. In compliance with board rules people are told not to discuss their cases. People contact me by their own free will. I have worked with many through here with Dr over few years, out comes have been positive as well as created a great working relationship with their Dr who now can take information and use it to help other people. I am only providing information for the person and medical person to make the proper choice for that's persons health. Going to seminars, meeting medical professionals having them refer cases speaks for itself. The improvement. In their patients results generation of more cases. They know I am not a Dr,but that's is over looked when they see improvement in challenging cases. If drs did not have confidence then I would not have gained the respect I have. I have my own lawyer/best friend and client who had health issues, but now can now practice confidently by being able to handle stress much better because of getting him rebalanced. See unfortunately you do not hear about these. I'm sure you can relate having the some ones life in your hands knowing it depended upon your performance. See his performance increased lead to his peers contacting me.

    Over the past several years I have built a relationship of trust with many medical professional. With trust also.comes respect on both sides. It was not an easy task, but with persistent and patients it payed off.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    The drs have the choice where they get their information. If medical professionals (MD do nd) find information invalid then they would not refer more cases
    Again the cases are referred by drs are then discussed with their Dr to come up with the best therapeutic protocol. In compliance with board rules people are told not to discuss their cases. People contact me by their own free will.
    Nothing to do with board rules. Basic and fundamental HIPAA Federal protections codified by US Congress. Seems at very least you would be intimately familiar with HIPAA if interacting in the physician patient relationship. Much ambiguitity is present with regard to the specifics of your relationship. Nonetheless, all good if works for you and makes you money. The doctors gave much more to lose than you unless someone construes you as participating in the unauthorized practice of medicine.

    Candidly, I have to become more of an expert on finite medical issues than doctors and experts I examine before a jury if I am to be persuasive to a jury. I think of stuff they don't consider and may have no reason to consider to bolster my posture and to discredit their expert MDs. Did this the other day with an anesthesiologists and a few weeks ago during at three week trial on HRT prescribed for women with osteo. None the less, you can bet those doctors, though appreciative of our victories still had no interest in using me to assist in diagnosing and treating their patients.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    None the less, you can bet those doctors, though appreciative of our victories still had no interest in using me to assist in diagnosing and treating their patients.
    Point very well made.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Point very well made.
    The medical professionals have a choice where they acquire their information. Information provided is for them to make the final decision on the out come of treatment for their patient. All I do is provide them food for thought based on non drug approaches to help their patients. Since I have been bounced through the medical system for several years being almost killed a few times from medical Dr's incompetencies I know how to prevent the same hell I went through for other people. The same people who post here and interact with me on a daily basis. Common sense is the most powerful over looked tool.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    The medical professionals have a choice where they acquire their information. Information provided is for them to make the final decision on the out come of treatment for their patient. All I do is provide them food for thought based on non drug approaches to help their patients. Since I have been bounced through the medical system for several years being almost killed a few times from medical Dr's incompetencies I know how to prevent the same hell I went through for other people. The same people who post here and interact with me on a daily basis. Common sense is the most powerful over looked tool.
    I think you do a lot of research and truly are passionate about what you know. But I know I would probably stop seeing my doctor if I knew he was taking medical advice from a guy with a high school diploma. When it comes to my health, I research everything I can and consult my doctor who has 10 years plus of education in the medical profession. I don't want to see a doctor who relies on common sense when it comes to my health. I have an advanced degree and went to law school. The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know. I read your posts with interest but would never regard it the same way I would advice from a licensed medical practitioner. You have to realize that as incompetent as some doctors may appear, you are in no position to challenge their competency armed with a high school diploma and self taught medicine. Perhaps if you toned down the perception that you consider yourself on par with doctors, and possibly their peers, your advice would be better received. You have a lot to contribute; no need to knock doctors not on your buddy list to bolster your status.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    I think you do a lot of research and truly are passionate about what you know. But I know I would probably stop seeing my doctor if I knew he was taking medical advice from a guy with a high school diploma. When it comes to my health, I research everything I can and consult my doctor who has 10 years plus of education in the medical profession. I don't want to see a doctor who relies on common sense when it comes to my health. I have an advanced degree and went to law school. The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know. I read your posts with interest but would never regard it the same way I would advice from a licensed medical practitioner. You have to realize that as incompetent as some doctors may appear, you are in no position to challenge their competency armed with a high school diploma and self taught medicine. Perhaps if you toned down the perception that you consider yourself on par with doctors, and possibly their peers, your advice would be better received. You have a lot to contribute; no need to knock doctors not on your buddy list to bolster your status.
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    We are all here to learning and become more well rounded from sharing our life experience.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  12. A license from the state doesn't make a person a good doctor. A high dollar degree doesn't either. All that proves is they met the minimum standards and very high costs to be a doctor. Licensing and permits are almost always created by those with money to maintain control of their means of income. If a person is a better "doctor" without a license from the state and without an expensive degree they become a threat to medical schools and doctors who want to limit others from healing people.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by v4lu3s View Post
    A license from the state doesn't make a person a good doctor. A high dollar degree doesn't either. All that proves is they met the minimum standards and very high costs to be a doctor. Licensing and permits are almost always created by those with money to maintain control of their means of income. If a person is a better "doctor" without a license from the state and without an expensive degree they become a threat to medical schools and doctors who want to limit others from healing people.
    Do you actually believe what you just said?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by v4lu3s View Post
    A license from the state doesn't make a person a good doctor. A high dollar degree doesn't either. All that proves is they met the minimum standards and very high costs to be a doctor. Licensing and permits are almost always created by those with money to maintain control of their means of income. If a person is a better "doctor" without a license from the state and without an expensive degree they become a threat to medical schools and doctors who want to limit others from healing people.
    This sounds like you are unbelievably misguided, or that you flunked out of med school.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by v4lu3s View Post
    A license from the state doesn't make a person a good doctor. A high dollar degree doesn't either. All that proves is they met the minimum standards and very high costs to be a doctor. Licensing and permits are almost always created by those with money to maintain control of their means of income. If a person is a better "doctor" without a license from the state and without an expensive degree they become a threat to medical schools and doctors who want to limit others from healing people.
    A threat? That's nuts. First off, one has to be pretty smart and possess good work ethic to get into medical school. Then, medical schools have an attrition rate if about 10 to 20 percent to get those out who probably won't have the ethic or intelligence to be a good doctor. Then comes licensing and the boards. This keeps the kooks out that would likely be a danger to society. Is it 100%, nope. Nothing is, but it is as good a system as one could have. If you think one can learn to be a doctor, much less a good doctor, merely on thier own absent all of the back ground course work including very rigorous science courses and then spending several years as an intern and then as a resident doing OJT, your delusional.

    Medicine is perhaps the one area one cannot fake and get away with it. One can learn basics, but knowing the mere basics can be more dangerous than knowing nothing at all. AMA is not afraid of anything you suggest. The AMA is concerned about protecting the public from delusional idiots who think they know something, but in reality only serve as a danger to the public.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    A threat? That's nuts. First off, one has to be pretty smart and possess good work ethic to get into medical school. Then, medical schools have an attrition rate if about 10 to 20 percent to get those out who probably won't have the ethic or intelligence to be a good doctor. Then comes licensing and the boards. This keeps the kooks out that would likely be a danger to society. Is it 100%, nope. Nothing is, but it is as good a system as one could have. If you think one can learn to be a doctor, much less a good doctor, merely on thier own absent all of the back ground course work including very rigorous science courses and then spending several years as an intern and then as a resident doing OJT, your delusional.

    Medicine is perhaps the one area one cannot fake and get away with it. One can learn basics, but knowing the mere basics can be more dangerous than knowing nothing at all. AMA is not afraid of anything you suggest. The AMA is concerned about protecting the public from delusional idiots who think they know something, but in reality only serve as a danger to the public.

    Sorry but anything that has a license from the government has laws made by those have the most to gain from it. Plenty of people fake medicine and get away with it. The goal with licensing initially is to prevent that, but licensing drives up costs and that creates an industry around those costs and they cannot afford to lose their paycheck so they lobby and work hard to keep those costs high and limit those that get in to keep it even higher. The high costs keep doctors from innovating and learning as much as they could because they ahve to work a lot to keep up with their costs and keep up their paychecks. Real medical innovations are NOT found in a doctor's office, they are found in labs by doctors, nurses, research assistants, analysts and so on that never spend that much time in practice. You won't find many doctors that can afford to spend much time away from practice when they have licensing fees, insurance and more to deal wioth.... will do more later..

  17. Quote Originally Posted by v4lu3s View Post
    Sorry but anything that has a license from the government has laws made by those have the most to gain from it. Plenty of people fake medicine and get away with it. The goal with licensing initially is to prevent that, but licensing drives up costs and that creates an industry around those costs and they cannot afford to lose their paycheck so they lobby and work hard to keep those costs high and limit those that get in to keep it even higher. The high costs keep doctors from innovating and learning as much as they could because they ahve to work a lot to keep up with their costs and keep up their paychecks. Real medical innovations are NOT found in a doctor's office, they are found in labs by doctors, nurses, research assistants, analysts and so on that never spend that much time in practice. You won't find many doctors that can afford to spend much time away from practice when they have licensing fees, insurance and more to deal wioth.... will do more later..
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    "Hey George, Grab that band saw and fix this busted knee for me will ya? I got a 12 pack with your name on it if ya do!"
    Haha, or the hillbilly that tied his tooth to a board with a string and hit the board with a hammer. That practicing medicine.

    The specialist I know have plenty if time to stay on top of their fields. I work with perhaps 20 neurosurgeons, 40 orthopods, a litany of thoracic surgeons and anesthesiologists and they all have great lives and plenty of time to stay up to date on latest, greatest hardware and techniques. Cardio thoracic surgeons are also amazingly progressive when it comes to da Vinci and robotic arm and arthroscopic procedures. Oncologists I know are simply amazing and cutting edge at a few of the better clinics.

    These dudes are talking about GPs who are not specialized and only get like $ 30 or $40 bucks a patient due to insurance cutting rates and worse for Medicare and Medicaid. I know a lot of GPs going to non conventional route and seeing insurance patients only one or two days a week so they can make a living.

    The other area people complain about are endos, but American endos are just conservative and more focused on American disease processes such as diabetes, osteo and etc. Fixing male hormones screwed up by steroid abuse is not really main stream medicine.
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