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    Hi Guys,
    I have been on TRT for three years now. I started on Testim and Androgel, one pack a day. After a while it started to fail me and I became lethargic and sex drive left me. My Doc started me on injections two months ago and I just got my results back today from Quest Labs. That's the only lab my Doc uses and I feel a little lucky my Primary will give me the T without having to go to a specialist. He told me to inject .8 mil weekly but I broke it up to .4 mil EOD. witch is a little more than he wanted. This is 200mg per 1mil T/Cyp. My results are high and he told me to reduce to .6 per week or stretch it out more. Just want to add that I feel very good, maybe a little aggressive but not bad. Sex drive is good but use help for erections, I'm 55 yrs.old. I know that the Quest Estrodial test is not every ones favorite but its all I have. My last estrodial score was 6! What do ypiu think about that high free test score? Is whatever good I should expect from it be offset by the high estrogen?

    Estrodial Ultrasensitive -55- < OR + 29 pr/ml

    Testosterone Total - 1703- 250-1100 ng/dl

    Free Testtosterone - 287.8- 35.0 - 155.0 pg/ml

    I take 500 mg of Nettle root Extract daily and thinking about some DHEA. Would 25 mg of DHEA be a good starting dose? I have not used HCG before because I dont need more kids and I dont mind small balls. Actually I think some girls like it. But would I gain anything from HCG therapy? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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    glad to see its working out for you. I also take .6 weekly. you should probaly should be retested with the .6 dosage then see where you are at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Impeccable View Post
    Hi Guys,
    I have been on TRT for three years now. I started on Testim and Androgel, one pack a day. After a while it started to fail me and I became lethargic and sex drive left me. My Doc started me on injections two months ago and I just got my results back today from Quest Labs. That's the only lab my Doc uses and I feel a little lucky my Primary will give me the T without having to go to a specialist. He told me to inject .8 mil weekly but I broke it up to .4 mil EOD. witch is a little more than he wanted. This is 200mg per 1mil T/Cyp. My results are high and he told me to reduce to .6 per week or stretch it out more. Just want to add that I feel very good, maybe a little aggressive but not bad. Sex drive is good but use help for erections, I'm 55 yrs.old. I know that the Quest Estrodial test is not every ones favorite but its all I have. My last estrodial score was 6! What do ypiu think about that high free test score? Is whatever good I should expect from it be offset by the high estrogen?

    Estrodial Ultrasensitive -55- < OR + 29 pr/ml

    Testosterone Total - 1703- 250-1100 ng/dl

    Free Testtosterone - 287.8- 35.0 - 155.0 pg/ml

    I take 500 mg of Nettle root Extract daily and thinking about some DHEA. Would 25 mg of DHEA be a good starting dose? I have not used HCG before because I dont need more kids and I dont mind small balls. Actually I think some girls like it. But would I gain anything from HCG therapy? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks

    Your test is way to high and potentialyl harmful being that high for as old as you are.
    Ultra sensitive test is no longer used by good drs. Its all over the place with readings. use 4021
    DHEA in this case would be NOT be adviseable because of your e2 being elevated, your DHT was not measure neither was your thyroid parameters.
    Great your Dr's open minded but he needs to reduce the T levels significantly other there is no medical validation for being that high. You have any issues then his azz is grass. HCG at age of 55 would not be advisable because last thing you care about is fertility at this point. It will just complicate matters increasing e2 levels even more.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    I am using .4 every third day not EOD sorry about that. Should I stay at .4 and inject every fourth day or .3 every third day? I took .5mg of arimidex after seeing the high E2 but I dont trust this test either.
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    .I do Monday and Thursday shots. .30 should put you up in 1000 at trough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Your test is way to high and potentialyl harmful being that high for as old as you are.Ultra sensitive test is no longer used by good drs. Its all over the place with readings. use 4021DHEA in this case would be NOT be adviseable because of your e2 being elevated, your DHT was not measure neither was your thyroid parameters. Great your Dr's open minded but he needs to reduce the T levels significantly other there is no medical validation for being that high. You have any issues then his azz is grass. HCG at age of 55 would not be advisable because last thing you care about is fertility at this point. It will just complicate matters increasing e2 levels even more.
    Agreed. OP is playing with fire and could get messed up really, really bad if not go to a doctor that knows what he or she is doing. I may be wrong, but I read this and see someone heading for disaster with your age, background and the combo of using an old PCP with an open pad and playing your own doctor with a head full of Internet knowledge. Unfortunately, our endocrine systems can really get wrecked to the point of no return at our age if we are nit careful.

    Matrix: Why do people still take DHEA, I thought everyone was going to 7 Keto. . . . At least what an anti aging DO told me back in 2008 due to conversion issues. Never took it myself in either form so not sure what the prevailing thought is now.
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    So .3 twice a week or every third day? Should I look into DHEA Keto7, does this one not convert to E2? Or just stay away? Thank You
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    So .3 twice a week or every third day? Should I look into DHEA Keto7, does this one not convert to E2? Or just stay away? Thank You
    7 keto has pretty much gone by the waste side its just a metabolite of DHEA. Do not let the media full you it can alter estrogens. First establish baseline testosterone at 600-1000 at trough is a goal one should shot for. then work to manpulate e2 if needed then back fill with DHEA once you get that all balanced. Drs give out way to much crap at once and one does not know what is causing what. Things need to be done in layers. It may take you longer but the road will not be no where near as bumpy.
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    What about 7-keto topical. Does it not act similarly to DHEA and not have oral bioavailability issues? What about 3, 7 keto? Just curious as I was advised by my docs that DHEA not necessarily good for younger, age 60 or less, males in most situations (except pain management patients, older males with osteo and low DHEA, DHEA-S and etc.), but I never took keto either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Impeccable View Post
    Hi Guys,
    I have been on TRT for three years now. I started on Testim and Androgel, one pack a day. After a while it started to fail me and I became lethargic and sex drive left me. My Doc started me on injections two months ago and I just got my results back today from Quest Labs. That's the only lab my Doc uses and I feel a little lucky my Primary will give me the T without having to go to a specialist. He told me to inject .8 mil weekly but I broke it up to .4 mil EOD. witch is a little more than he wanted. This is 200mg per 1mil T/Cyp. My results are high and he told me to reduce to .6 per week or stretch it out more. Just want to add that I feel very good, maybe a little aggressive but not bad. Sex drive is good but use help for erections, I'm 55 yrs.old. I know that the Quest Estrodial test is not every ones favorite but its all I have. My last estrodial score was 6! What do ypiu think about that high free test score? Is whatever good I should expect from it be offset by the high estrogen?

    Estrodial Ultrasensitive -55- < OR + 29 pr/ml

    Testosterone Total - 1703- 250-1100 ng/dl

    Free Testtosterone - 287.8- 35.0 - 155.0 pg/ml

    I take 500 mg of Nettle root Extract daily and thinking about some DHEA. Would 25 mg of DHEA be a good starting dose? I have not used HCG before because I dont need more kids and I dont mind small balls. Actually I think some girls like it. But would I gain anything from HCG therapy? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks
    There's this knee-jerk reaction to any value over the standard that makes people panic. If your lipid panel is good, kidney functions normal, blood pressure under control, liver and other tests like C Reactive Protein (but don't get too excited about it) are good, then I wouldn't worry about those numbers at all. At our age, you need to be very careful about your DHT and E2 levels because they can affect your prostrate. I have not seen one clinical study where anyone suffered from elevated test levels. I mean not a one, and I've searched. A lot of doctor's scream that you place your health at risk, but they can't point to any studies to back it up. On paper you can make a case for anything. Yet, these same doctors will prescribe prednisone all willy-nilly, ignoring the dire sides...At 200mgs per week my E2 is 16, my test, five days after injection, is around 700-800 with a upper limit of 1100. I switched to 400mgs a week because I love they way I feel, even though my lipid profile is a tad over. But I monitor my DHT and other values every two months.

    I take HCG. Why would you not take it? It helps with normal functions as much as possible and you want that. There is no down side to taking HCG, as long as it's reasonable, like 250-500ius per week.

    If you need to control your E2, get a real AI like aromasin.

    Stay away from DHEA. It can really harm your kidneys. And why would you want to take that anyway when your test levels are good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    There's this knee-jerk reaction to any value over the standard that makes people panic. If your lipid panel is good, kidney functions normal, blood pressure under control, liver and other tests like C Reactive Protein (but don't get too excited about it) are good, then I wouldn't worry about those numbers at all. At our age, you need to be very careful about your DHT and E2 levels because they can affect your prostrate. I have not seen one clinical study where anyone suffered from elevated test levels. I mean not a one, and I've searched. A lot of doctor's scream that you place your health at risk, but they can't point to any studies to back it up. On paper you can make a case for anything. Yet, these same doctors will prescribe prednisone all willy-nilly, ignoring the dire sides...At 200mgs per week my E2 is 16, my test, five days after injection, is around 700-800 with a upper limit of 1100. I switched to 400mgs a week because I love they way I feel, even though my lipid profile is a tad over. But I monitor my DHT and other values every two months.

    I take HCG. Why would you not take it? It helps with normal functions as much as possible and you want that. There is no down side to taking HCG, as long as it's reasonable, like 250-500ius per week.

    If you need to control your E2, get a real AI like aromasin.

    Stay away from DHEA. It can really harm your kidneys. And why would you want to take that anyway when your test levels are good?
    I hear you and I am curious for myself. I run 600 to 700 range with no supplementation at age 44, but often wonder if it would do any harm to push it up to say 900. My concern is two prong: (1) would my body become acclimated to higher levels thereby necessitating me to remain there to feel status quo or would increases in E2, SBHG and etc. negate increase; and (2) would I then become dependent upon for the rest of my life and mess with an already good thing.

    I have friends who are permanently shut down at 40 who also don't feel worth a crap unless they are keeping levels really high. I guess the dependency factor and law of diminishing returns would be my concern if applicable. I get just having high test levels might not cause problems assuming, if possible, that everything else in check such as E2, DHEA and -S and SHBG. Though those would seem to follow the higher you get and knocking those down say with Danzol would just lower DHEA and -S. Seems to be no free ride and in 10 years where would one be at as far as what is needed to feel okay and as far as heart issues, prostate and etc. Maybe just better off to accept decent feel associated with 700 than super human feel at a constant 1,400.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    I hear you and I am curious for myself. I run 600 to 700 range with no supplementation at age 44, but often wonder if it would do any harm to push it up to say 900. My concern is two prong: (1) would my body become acclimated to higher levels thereby necessitating me to remain there to feel status quo or would increases in E2, SBHG and etc. negate increase; and (2) would I then become dependent upon for the rest of my life and mess with an already good thing.

    I have friends who are permanently shut down at 40 who also don't feel worth a crap unless they are keeping levels really high. I guess the dependency factor and law of diminishing returns would be my concern if applicable. I get just having high test levels might not cause problems assuming, if possible, that everything else in check such as E2, DHEA and -S and SHBG. Though those would seem to follow the higher you get and knocking those down say with Danzol would just lower DHEA and -S. Seems to be no free ride and in 10 years where would one be at as far as what is needed to feel okay and as far as heart issues, prostate and etc. Maybe just better off to accept decent feel associated with 700 than super human feel at a constant 1,400.
    Being in the medical field you want to be an asset to a person not a liability when dealing with HRT. More is not better, if a person needs more then physical issues then they may be low on GH , thyroid or adrenals or out of balance. It all comes down to benefit to risk ratio
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    Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    I hear you and I am curious for myself. I run 600 to 700 range with no supplementation at age 44, but often wonder if it would do any harm to push it up to say 900. My concern is two prong: (1) would my body become acclimated to higher levels thereby necessitating me to remain there to feel status quo or would increases in E2, SBHG and etc. negate increase; and (2) would I then become dependent upon for the rest of my life and mess with an already good thing.

    I have friends who are permanently shut down at 40 who also don't feel worth a crap unless they are keeping levels really high. I guess the dependency factor and law of diminishing returns would be my concern if applicable. I get just having high test levels might not cause problems assuming, if possible, that everything else in check such as E2, DHEA and -S and SHBG. Though those would seem to follow the higher you get and knocking those down say with Danzol would just lower DHEA and -S. Seems to be no free ride and in 10 years where would one be at as far as what is needed to feel okay and as far as heart issues, prostate and etc. Maybe just better off to accept decent feel associated with 700 than super human feel at a constant 1,400.
    You're still relatively young so you can have your TRT and have a blast too. Given my track record, I'm not one to talk about dosing high, but I do think that 700 is high for steady TRT. However, I do feel that too many, way too many doctors cry that the sky is falling without even looking up. Last year I was blasting away, no AI/SERM (who needs it!) just having a ball on a gram of test; 900mgs of tren a/e/s and 50mgs of adrol a day. Felt great, strong and invincible. Then one day I couldn't urinate. My prostrate had swollen up and I was blocked. I had to have a catheter tube inserted to urinate. The DHT/E2 had caused my prostrate to enlarge.... I like the way I feel and look at 400mgs. That's where I draw the line for me, although I still blast mildly. I just came off test 400mgs pr wk and Adrol, .25mgs per day. Felt like $20 bucks!... Be careful at 700mgs. You're in the danger zone and need frequent blood work.
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    Dude, sorry to hear about prostate issues. That must have sucked. A buddy of mine had a jelly fish fall down the front of his swim trunks while surfing hurricane Irenne this summer. He swole up so bad they had to cath him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    Dude, sorry to hear about prostate issues. That must have sucked. A buddy of mine had a jelly fish fall down the front of his swim trunks while surfing hurricane Irenne this summer. He swole up so bad they had to cath him.
    That hurt me just thinking about it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    You're still relatively young so you can have your TRT and have a blast too. Given my track record, I'm not one to talk about dosing high, but I do think that 700 is high for steady TRT. However, I do feel that too many, way too many doctors cry that the sky is falling without even looking up. Last year I was blasting away, no AI/SERM (who needs it!) just having a ball on a gram of test; 900mgs of tren a/e/s and 50mgs of adrol a day. Felt great, strong and invincible. Then one day I couldn't urinate. My prostrate had swollen up and I was blocked. I had to have a catheter tube inserted to urinate. The DHT/E2 had caused my prostrate to enlarge.... I like the way I feel and look at 400mgs. That's where I draw the line for me, although I still blast mildly. I just came off test 400mgs pr wk and Adrol, .25mgs per day. Felt like $20 bucks!... Be careful at 700mgs. You're in the danger zone and need frequent blood work.
    On way too much crap, I am strongest guy in the gym in squats and dead and take 120 mgs of T a week. If people need that much gear they better learn how to train properly and eat. Jesus I went to NPC junior nationals almost a year drug free and placed respectfully against the drug monsters. Young guys <22 are on 2000 mgs of Test a week with 900 tren 50 var, and 4 iu G, 50 mcgs of igf-1 and still look like crap and pathetically week. Guys are always asking what I am taking. I tell them anabolic high from hard work dedication, and busting my balls in the gym training not really on drugs to do the work ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    On way too much crap, I am strongest guy in the gym in squats and dead and take 120 mgs of T a week. If people need that much gear they better learn how to train properly and eat. Jesus I went to NPC junior nationals almost a year drug free and placed respectfully against the drug monsters. Young guys <22 are on 2000 mgs of Test a week with 900 tren 50 var, and 4 iu G, 50 mcgs of igf-1 and still look like crap and pathetically week. Guys are always asking what I am taking. I tell them anabolic high from hard work dedication, and busting my balls in the gym training not really on drugs to do the work ..
    Not sure if I agree or disagree with what you said. My point was that when I decided to blast with way too much gear throwing caution to the wind, I got nailed with prostatitis. Never saw it coming. I went immediately way down to 200mgs a week and remained on that dosage for 6 months. Blood profile was great with a few exceptions not attributed to AAS. I have since gone back up to 400mgs per week, which is not unreasonable. I plan to get blood work done at the beginning of April. I will then assess whether or not I want to remain at that level.

    If strength is your goal, then that's different from a goal of building quality muscle and overall health. But if a guy is on all the gear you described and is "pathetically weak," then there is something seriously wrong with his gear. If I want pure strength, my sweet spot is 500mgs of test e per week plus 50mgs of anadrol per day. If I want aesthetics, then I'd opt for maybe 500mgs of test e, plus 400mgs of tren a, aromasin, and "maybe" dbol, .25mgs per day. If I want to cruise, I take between 200-400mgs of test e per week. Taking any amount of AAS doesn't mean you're all of a sudden the strongest guy in the gym or the meanest MMA fighter in the ring, it just means you should have increased your performance by some percentage. I've never competed in any weight lifting contest or body building contest, so I don't what goes on there. All I know is that I went from 190 pounds to 250 pounds. I put on two inches on my biceps and neck. I can now bench 40% more than I could when I was 25. Ultimately, I don't care how my lifts compare to a guy in some gym who is not on gear. I just know that when I look at my performance, I went up considerably. It's all about me, not the guys in the locker room.
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    hey Matrix I agree with you. I did 1999 JR. USA's WHEN I was 21 as a lightheavy. The guys in their 30s and 40s some where bragging about how much **** they were taking and they looked like s***. More is definately not better for all. DetroitHammer keep up the good work and watch your bloodwork!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Not sure if I agree or disagree with what you said. My point was that when I decided to blast with way too much gear throwing caution to the wind, I got nailed with prostatitis. Never saw it coming. I went immediately way down to 200mgs a week and remained on that dosage for 6 months. Blood profile was great with a few exceptions not attributed to AAS. I have since gone back up to 400mgs per week, which is not unreasonable. I plan to get blood work done at the beginning of April. I will then assess whether or not I want to remain at that level.

    If strength is your goal, then that's different from a goal of building quality muscle and overall health. But if a guy is on all the gear you described and is "pathetically weak," then there is something seriously wrong with his gear. If I want pure strength, my sweet spot is 500mgs of test e per week plus 50mgs of anadrol per day. If I want aesthetics, then I'd opt for maybe 500mgs of test e, plus 400mgs of tren a, aromasin, and "maybe" dbol, .25mgs per day. If I want to cruise, I take between 200-400mgs of test e per week. Taking any amount of AAS doesn't mean you're all of a sudden the strongest guy in the gym or the meanest MMA fighter in the ring, it just means you should have increased your performance by some percentage. I've never competed in any weight lifting contest or body building contest, so I don't what goes on there. All I know is that I went from 190 pounds to 250 pounds. I put on two inches on my biceps and neck. I can now bench 40% more than I could when I was 25. Ultimately, I don't care how my lifts compare to a guy in some gym who is not on gear. I just know that when I look at my performance, I went up considerably. It's all about me, not the guys in the locker room.
    That is why I got out of the sport because it was all subjective and its not who you know its who you blow to get where they are today. Back at my peak, I was propositioned by gay Dr's to pose for GH levels. Screw that. i am will you. I am doing it for health reason and only person I am competing against is my self. It awesome you can hold your own as you are .01% of your population. I am the same mentality be an example for other people to follow...
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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