Low Vitamin D - Help me, you fools! :)

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    Well what would your recommendation be, then?

    I plan to supplement with a high dose of D3, along with getting into the sun as much as I can, whenever weather permits it (being in the midwest, it's always hit and miss).

    Aside from that, I don't see what else I'd be overlooking, because that level is obviously very low and no where near what I want it to be.
    keep in mind that for sunlight to be meaningful, it does need to be over a significant fraction of your skin area if I recall


  2. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    keep in mind that for sunlight to be meaningful, it does need to be over a significant fraction of your skin area if I recall
    Not true one may absorb it, but may not convert to vitamin D in the skin because of possible mutations which may be occuring or some kind of enzymatic deficiency. When you have people from florida with good tans people think vitamin D levels are high ..NOT TRUE. Blacks have one of the highest rate of vitamin D deficiency I see in ethnic backgrounds
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Not true one may absorb it, but may not convert to vitamin D in the skin because of possible mutations which may be occuring or some kind of enzymatic deficiency. When you have people from florida with good tans people think vitamin D levels are high ..NOT TRUE. Blacks have one of the highest rate of vitamin D deficiency I see in ethnic backgrounds
    Right. I'd read that those with darker skin often have issues.

    But there's no way to know if there's a conversion problem or something else short of supplementing and getting more sun and then re-testing. And even if there is other testing and things to look at, why wouldn't I just do these things, check levels again and then if it's still low, go from there and pursue another culprit.

    I've been out of the sun almost entirely in the past 8 months. It would make sense that that, along with just a general tendency to have lower D levels, could be the problem.
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  4. Its not rocket sceince
    Test supplement retest.
    Question is what is causing it? It might be a red flag to other issues.
    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    Right. I'd read that those with darker skin often have issues.

    But there's no way to know if there's a conversion problem or something else short of supplementing and getting more sun and then re-testing. And even if there is other testing and things to look at, why wouldn't I just do these things, check levels again and then if it's still low, go from there and pursue another culprit.

    I've been out of the sun almost entirely in the past 8 months. It would make sense that that, along with just a general tendency to have lower D levels, could be the problem.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  5. so take the D3 or get in the sun, or both?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Its not rocket sceince
    Test supplement retest.
    Question is what is causing it? It might be a red flag to other issues.
    Oh no doubt. The main reason I wanted it checked in the first place was the confirmation that I have Hashimoto's and looking at the proper way of finding the problem (hopefully an imbalance in TH-1 and TH-2) and correcting it, so I can level my body back out and I should also be able to get off of the thyroid meds, too.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by fanzdslpwr1 View Post
    so take the D3 or get in the sun, or both?
    Depends on the levels and the absorption of both sun and supplements.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  8. is the tanning booth a good option if you can't get some sun?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by fanzdslpwr1 View Post
    is the tanning booth a good option if you can't get some sun?
    Not worth the risk on the skin as well as depletion of antioxidents
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    keep in mind that for sunlight to be meaningful, it does need to be over a significant fraction of your skin area if I recall
    Yeah, my endo says that sunlight on upper legs and lower stomach can be better. I am a pro surfer, but in wetsuits a majority of the time as I hit big wave breaks in cold places and in winter swells. Doc said face, forearms and lower legs not as good. My D has run low a couple of times over the years. I just take 800 ius a day in off season and when not in sun light a lot.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    Yeah, my endo says that sunlight on upper legs and lower stomach can be better. I am a pro surfer, but in wetsuits a majority of the time as I hit big wave breaks in cold places and in winter swells. Doc said face, forearms and lower legs not as good. My D has run low a couple of times over the years. I just take 800 ius a day in off season and when not in sun light a lot.
    800 ius will not do crap..your endo is totally misinformed like usual
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Its not rocket sceince
    Test supplement retest.
    Question is what is causing it? It might be a red flag to other issues.

    Which other issues (besides no sun, absorption, or enzymatic issues) can cause low vitamin D?

    I personally take 10,000iu of D3 per day. Once a week or so I take 25,000 iu. If for some reason Iv'e been forgetting to supplement, I take 25,000 iu for a week or two then back to 10,000 iu.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Which other issues (besides no sun, absorption, or enzymatic issues) can cause low vitamin D?

    I personally take 10,000iu of D3 per day. Once a week or so I take 25,000 iu. If for some reason Iv'e been forgetting to supplement, I take 25,000 iu for a week or two then back to 10,000 iu.
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  14. Ahh so it can come down to genetics.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Ahh so it can come down to genetics.
    More like many people have the gene, but if it gets triggered that is a whole other scenerio.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    800 ius will not do crap..your endo is totally misinformed like usual
    Haha, you don't know who my endo is, but unless you are an Olympic athlete or pro athlete you ain't seeing her. You also don't know my levels. My D3 is in the sweet spot so how can you opine that 800ius is not sufficient. Perfect for me in off season or winter months. Point is that D levels fluctuate and recommending mega high doses of D3, especially without a dexa, and a series of labs is quackery.

  17. I can't remember how much D3 the body can produce on it's own in one day if out in the sun. Something like 16,000 IU, all by itself. So no, it's not quackery. It's healthy to have your D3 at top of range. Even if you take 12,000 IU's per day, you are not overdosing.

    People who are taking ultra high doses of D3, they're only doing it for a short term until they reach a maintenance dose. And yes everyone is individual, but you will not OD on 10-12K IU's per day, if the body is capable of making that all on it's own in an optimal setting.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    I can't remember how much D3 the body can produce on it's own in one day if out in the sun. Something like 16,000 IU, all by itself. So no, it's not quackery. It's healthy to have your D3 at top of range. Even if you take 12,000 IU's per day, you are not overdosing.

    People who are taking ultra high doses of D3, they're only doing it for a short term until they reach a maintenance dose. And yes everyone is individual, but you will not OD on 10-12K IU's per day, if the body is capable of making that all on it's own in an optimal setting.
    I am top of range with 800 ius a day even though I have had a few low readings here and there. So one low reading without a dexa may not warrant mega dose. A little sun exposure to torso and upper legs along with a maintenance dose of D3 may set you straight. There are contraindications or downsides to mega high doses if D3, but most if those are perhaps issues better discussed with a doctor based on health, calcium values, history of stones, medications and etc.

  19. It's definitely something that should be followed up with bloodwork. People shouldn't supplement blindly or needlessly. I would say overall, most people are somewhat deficient though in the western world.

    On a side note, are you a pro athlete or do you compete? If so what do you do?
    If not, how did you get in with that dr?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    Haha, you don't know who my endo is, but unless you are an Olympic athlete or pro athlete you ain't seeing her. You also don't know my levels. My D3 is in the sweet spot so how can you opine that 800ius is not sufficient. Perfect for me in off season or winter months. Point is that D levels fluctuate and recommending mega high doses of D3, especially without a dexa, and a series of labs is quackery.
    Why testing is crucial to.anything..sure its not 8000 ius ? Unless you are out.in the sun well.below 30 th parallel for few hours a day or tanning then.you are. reak lol be an interesting challenge to.find to see if i can.find out who.she is...lol
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    It's definitely something that should be followed up with bloodwork. People shouldn't supplement blindly or needlessly. I would say overall, most people are somewhat deficient though in the western world.

    On a side note, are you a pro athlete or do you compete? If so what do you do?
    If not, how did you get in with that dr?
    Pro surfer. I am nit really her normal patient either, but I kid her about being a cougar with a soft spot for surfers. Just 800 ius. I am in wet suits quit a bit. I agree mist docs are clueless which is why I fly across country to my doc. Gets lots of good stuff from her amd undergo crazy type of testing to optimize diet, endurance and O2. I have a doc friend locally that does my IVs now so I only see my endo once a month. I have nothing but an amazing transformation since seeing her. True fountain of youth.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    Pro surfer. I am nit really her normal patient either, but I kid her about being a cougar with a soft spot for surfers. Just 800 ius. I am in wet suits quit a bit. I agree mist docs are clueless which is why I fly across country to my doc. Gets lots of good stuff from her amd undergo crazy type of testing to optimize diet, endurance and O2. I have a doc friend locally that does my IVs now so I only see my endo once a month. I have nothing but an amazing transformation since seeing her. True fountain of youth.
    Reason being is you get reflection off the water which amplifes the effect of the sunliight.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    Pro surfer. I am nit really her normal patient either, but I kid her about being a cougar with a soft spot for surfers. Just 800 ius. I am in wet suits quit a bit. I agree mist docs are clueless which is why I fly across country to my doc. Gets lots of good stuff from her amd undergo crazy type of testing to optimize diet, endurance and O2. I have a doc friend locally that does my IVs now so I only see my endo once a month. I have nothing but an amazing transformation since seeing her. True fountain of youth.
    Ahh that's interesting. What sort of IVs? I wish I could get frequent nutrient IV pushes just by request, especially glutathione and glutamine. Certain things that are basically destroyed by the gut or not very bio-available.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    I'm only 26, but I know a lot of this information exists and people who are familiar with this stuff hang out in the anti-aging subforum. I just had vitamin D tested and it showed up as 23.8 (low) in a ref range of 30-80. I know that it's supposed to be kept very high within that normal range, too. I have Hashimoto's and so this is certainly one more reason for my sense of urgency in correcting this.

    My question to you is this: how should I dose vitamin D to bring this up?

    I believe there are prescriptions for high IU dosages of D3, correct? I guess what I'm curious of is if I should request one, as I assume doing this OTC will get kind of pricey. However, I'm also curious of half-life, if the doses should be broken up, with or without food, any other vitamins/minerals that hinder absorption, etc.

    I plan to do some research of my own on this, this evening, but I'm out the door right now and rather than waste time, I'd love some assistance on what to do next. Thanks (and reps for those who attempt to help!)!

    Here is some great information by the guy who wrote the Metabolic Diet which I have been using for years.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Ahh that's interesting. What sort of IVs? I wish I could get frequent nutrient IV pushes just by request, especially glutathione and glutamine. Certain things that are basically destroyed by the gut or not very bio-available.
    Glutathione, DMSO, preps like Myers, but she has her own formula and mixtures based on individual, b12, collagen marshmallow, magnesium sulfate, alpha lipoic acid, Folate, glyoxia???, some coenzyme compositum, antioxidant mixture that is part of myers like mixture. I have done some chelation although I am not into that. I got my almagam removed from my mouth and did a chelation since you can get more mercury into bloodstream during removal.

    I get vo2 and lactate analyzer along with glucose uptake some crazy NASA type nutrient testing apparatus. This kind of dictates what she does. Some other stuff is done here and there too like dexa and body comp.

    BTW isn't OP from Kentucky. Is he okay with as far as tornado crap today?
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