Sexual Dysfunction, No Libido, Depression-The Matrix and Others

[Elit3]

Hi everyone, I fairly new to this forum. Lots of very knowledgeble posters here.

I tried posting this in another thread, but it is supposedly awaiting mod approval and is taking forever. Honestly I'm kind of desperate for help so lets see if this works. Sorry if too long.

To the Matrix or anyone that can help:

I'm 30 years old .I have had depression and anxiety that I can trace back to the age of 8 after a traumatic experience. I was not the same kid after that. In high school I abused opiates/painkillers and amphetamines and that is when my problems with sexual function and libido started and they have only gotten worse. It was not until the age of 24 that I realized, after a panic attack, that I needed to get help and since then things have only gotten worse. All the doctors that I have seen offer me is SSRI's and viagra/levitra, but these things are not what I am looking for, and I know that I can get to the root cause of the problem.

I cannot get erections anymore. Not like how I used at the thought of an attractive girl or when I saw an attractive girl. This has been the case since I was 18. I used to have libido, but even that is gone now. My penis looks shriveld up, kind of shrunken, as if I was constantly in cold weather. In the early years of this I was able to get by with viagra and levitra, but that is not solving the issue and besides, without libido, it just isn't the same. I really want to get to the root cause of this issue and for better health in general.

Don't have much of a life right now--I cannot function properly. Been really isolating myself more and more. I shack up most of the day and I sit in front of the computer and research on ways to get better.

The information that I have found on opiate induced sexual disfunction tells me that I have a pituitary problem. I've never been on gear, but was on propecia for a month (for hairloss) last year, and had bad sides which of course made matters more complicated. My diet is good to go--meats, veggies, rice, coconut oil. I supplement vitamins, minerals, antioxidants and metal detox as I believe I have a mercury problem too. I dont smoke, use drugs, or drink anymore.

I also think that I have a problem with methylation and this could be the origin of my depression/anxiety. Might be an undermethylator. I read a really good thread on methylation here, in which you were able to help another poster with his issue.

I know that I need to run some real tests and I am more than willing to get started on that right away.

You recommended the Genova ONE in that methylation thread. Should I get this test?
What other test, from Genova or otherwise, do you think that I should get?

Don't have much lab work right now, except for this which I was able to get from my general health clinic. The dates differ:

Testosterone serum- 927 ng/dL in 241-827 range (this is from January 2011)
Prolactin serum- 10 ng/dL in 2-18 range (also January 2011)
LH- 11 mIU/mL IN 1-9 range (January 2011)
TSH- 1.20 uIU/mL IN 0.34-4.82 (January 2011)
Free test- 100.3 pg/ml in 35.0-155.0 range (this is from May 2011)
Cortisol serum- 12.14 mcg/dL in 4.30-22.40 range (from July of 2011)

That is all I have. Don't know much about this stuff, but I think this says that my problems are psycological?... IDK it doesn't make sense to me. When I was on medication for depression, even bupropion, my depression would go away, but my sexual dysfunction was still very much there.

Matrix, I hope that you can help me. You seem to know what needs to be taken care of in terms of getting to the root cause of things. I am commited to solving this puzzle by getting to the root cause of this issue. Where there is a will there is a way. I hope that you can give me some much needed advice/guidance in this matter.

Thanks in advance.

 

[hitest]

Are you taking any medicines/supplements for anything right now?

 

[HondaV65]

Do PDE-5 inhibitors work?

Yeah Matrix knows more about this, but I know anxiety can cause issues with erections - and actually in both directions. When I was in the war zone I was diagnosed with anxiety but I was popping boners 24/7 and they would wake me up at night. That's unusual as I was around 42 at that time.

I'll say one thing though man - as you get older, don't expect to just "pop" to attention at the sight of a good looking, or even naked girl. At some point - you've seen so many of them it's not the thrill it once was.

 

[Elit3]

Thanks for the reply guys.

hitest- The supplements I am taking right not are pretty basic. I take high dose vitamins A,D,C,E, and K, zinc, mag-k aspartate, selenium and iodine/sski for my. The only other thing which I just bouth for neuroprotective benefits and possibly increased libido, is deprynil citrate, which I plan on taking 5mg a week along with NAC. The deprynil, is really just for it's neuroprotective benefits, I dont want to use it to treat my sexual dysfuntion and depression, because it is not treating the root problem I think.

HondaV65- PDE-5 inhibitors do work. Right now I can take 10mg of levitra and I'll be ready to go. Not sure if icariin would work. I have only taken APPNUT Drive and it did nothing for my erection, would probably require a much higher dose. These things however would only prolong the matter and I really want to get down to the root cause of this issue as well as my psycological issues which I am sure are connected.

I think that anxiety is a problem with performance, and there have been times when I was with a lady and could not perform. But even when I want to masterbate I cannot get solid wood-that in itself is depressing--it's like a vicious cycle. Every now and then I will get a rare morning erection so I think that the pipes are working okay, but not sure.

I agree, once you have been with or seen so many woman those spontanious erections will be less, but I wish I had at least a few of them everynow and then.

EDIT- I also take a B complex vitamin.

 

[The Matrix]

I would have to look at the total history of the case in order to give any recommendation to what next steps would be. Please check out my thread to get the proper testing. There is further testing which I recommend once I know the pathology of the person from further evaluation. Getting the nutra eval, one just needs an open minded Dr, to interpet the thing, Dr's refer the test out to me. I have had Dr's call genova to get a intrepetation from them before they referred the case out to me. When I presented my findings, they were left speechless and were not prepared to what I was able to find hidden among the vast complexity of the test. Due to my ability of abstract thinking, pattern recognition, my own research, medical experience, and my own experience I am able to piece together potential root cause of cases with accuracy, detailed analysis, in just a short amount of time. When have people that have spent 15 years dealing with dr's not getting any resolution and with in one visit can medical explain and validated why they are not well. The expression on their faces is one my job well worth it. Point being is that once the data is gather proper evalution is crucial in order to give you the best therapeutic out come. Dr's refer me case to find out WHY then support the person in the mean time to give them better quality of life till other things are brought back into balance.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/179039-lab-testing-getting.html

 

[Elit3]

Hi Matrix, thanks for the reply. What you say is encouraging. So in order to get the nutra eval, do I need some kind of doctors referral? If not I will just order it through intergrativepsychiatry right away. Also, is the ONE test necessary at this point or will the nutra eval suffice?

I don't have a doctor per say. I go to a veterans clinic and I'm assigned a doctor there. However, my doctor has let her ego get in the way of my treatment. It is very hard to get them to think outside of the box and order test for me, but I know that you are all too familiar with stories like this. If you can PM me a good doc in the Chicago area that would be great. I'm really hoping I can bring myself into balance. It is the only way for me...

 

[hitest]

Thanks for the reply guys.

hitest- The supplements I am taking right not are pretty basic. I take high dose vitamins A,D,C,E, and K, zinc, mag-k aspartate, selenium and iodine/sski for my. The only other thing which I just bouth for neuroprotective benefits and possibly increased libido, is deprynil citrate, which I plan on taking 5mg a week along with NAC. The deprynil, is really just for it's neuroprotective benefits, I dont want to use it to treat my sexual dysfuntion and depression, because it is not treating the root problem I think.

HondaV65- PDE-5 inhibitors do work. Right now I can take 10mg of levitra and I'll be ready to go. Not sure if icariin would work. I have only taken APPNUT Drive and it did nothing for my erection, would probably require a much higher dose. These things however would only prolong the matter and I really want to get down to the root cause of this issue as well as my psycological issues which I am sure are connected.

I think that anxiety is a problem with performance, and there have been times when I was with a lady and could not perform. But even when I want to masterbate I cannot get solid wood-that in itself is depressing--it's like a vicious cycle. Every now and then I will get a rare morning erection so I think that the pipes are working okay, but not sure.

I agree, once you have been with or seen so many woman those spontanious erections will be less, but I wish I had at least a few of them everynow and then.

EDIT- I also take a B complex vitamin.

I'm always of fan of comprehensive testing if you can afford it. If you cannot then you have one big lead - your prior drug abuse. I suspect this is causally related to your current condition. It is probably a combination of physiological and psychological issues at this point. The opioids could have messed with your mojo back then starting at least the performance anxiety. But it has probably gone deeper than that. Since recreational drugs impact the same pleasure center as sex (in the amygdala) then one can imagine how normal libido might have been impacted. I hope your condition will manifest itself on some diagnostic suite that may provide actionable information. It is too early to say. At least some of your hormones are in good shape.

By the way, what do you do for exercise?

 

[The Matrix]

Hi Matrix, thanks for the reply. What you say is encouraging. So in order to get the nutra eval, do I need some kind of doctors referral? If not I will just order it through intergrativepsychiatry right away. Also, is the ONE test necessary at this point or will the nutra eval suffice?

I don't have a doctor per say. I go to a veterans clinic and I'm assigned a doctor there. However, my doctor has let her ego get in the way of my treatment. It is very hard to get them to think outside of the box and order test for me, but I know that you are all too familiar with stories like this. If you can PM me a good doc in the Chicago area that would be great. I'm really hoping I can bring myself into balance. It is the only way for me...

Nutra eval will suffice. I found nutra eval cheapest for $715. Get the results then contact me the go from there. Must be off all supplements 4-5 prior, take meds as needed. I run into this a lot with medical professionals so its nothing new. Put Egos a side and get the person the proper help is what I am all about. No one owns your health except you so be proactive about it.

 

[nkautz1]

The Matrix , can you PM me? I don't have enough posts to PM you and I'd rather not make 6 useless posts just so i can PM.

Thanks...

 

[Elit3]

hitest- You hit a lot of good points. I take it that by comprehensive testing you would consider the nutreval in that department? I will be ordering the nutreval. Gotta get my mojo back, thats my mission right now.

For exersise I've been doing 5x5, compound exercises, at least twice a week. No cardio except I do walk quite a bit in combination with public transport.

Matrix- The cheapest nutreval that I've found online is for $742, that's without shipping. Not too far from the price that you found. I'll just go ahead and order that since I am pressed for time. I will let you know when as soon as my results come in.

 

[Elit3]

Matrix- I thought I replied to your PM a few days ago, but It turns out that I don't have enough post to send you PM's yet. I dont have a doctor or insurance at the moment, but I don't have a problem spending out of pocket because my health is my #1 priority. Hopefull this test takes us somewhere.

Update:

I received the nutreval kit yesterday. I just talked to a Quest Diagnostics lab and they said that they can administer the test for me as long as they I have a requesition from a Doctor, to their lab. Thats a problem, because I don't have a doctor that will help me with this at the moment. I figured that I wasn't going to need a Doctor, I mean its my blood and my money. What do you think I should do?

 

[Elit3]

Okay, I just rechecked the kit and found a requisition form, duh (relief). I'll call the lab and schedule an appointment. Will keep you updated.

 

[The Matrix]

Okay, I just rechecked the kit and found a requisition form, duh (relief). I'll call the lab and schedule an appointment. Will keep you updated.

Make sure you stop all supplements non medical for 5 days prior before. Be sure you are well hydrated before the blood draw. From my own experience dropping over $50,000 dealing with my health issue in the beginning. I had a nutra eval, but the practioner was uneducated and told me nothing was wrong. I did not agree with him 2 year of countless hours of research, the root cause was there the whole time which I told Dr's several times before. They just shrugged it all telling me its in my head..The nutra eval gets a bad rap because the practioners and even people at genova do not get into the fine details. For Dr's and other who have been referred to me. I literally ripped that test apart..

 

[Elit3]

I've been off all supps for four days and will have six before the tests day. I'll make sure i'm well hydrated too.

Sorry you had to drop that much money man. I definitely feel you on wasted time. I've been running circles myself the past few years or so trying to figure things out. I've been to psycologist, psychiatrist, urologist, endocrinologist, and general medicine, all of which tell me that it's all in my head. But I know that there is more to the puzzle than just in my head, there has to be. Hope this test can produce something that we can see and address.

Thanks for your time and effort.

 

[The Matrix]

I've been off all supps for four days and will have six before the tests day. I'll make sure i'm well hydrated too.

Sorry you had to drop that much money man. I definitely feel you on wasted time. I've been running circles myself the past few years or so trying to figure things out. I've been to psycologist, psychiatrist, urologist, endocrinologist, and general medicine, all of which tell me that it's all in my head. But I know that there is more to the puzzle than just in my head, there has to be. Hope this test can produce something that we can see and address.

Thanks for your time and effort.

I feel your pain, Going to psychologists was entertaining. From studying neurological conditions, when they started asking me questions I recongnized what they were looking for and would screw with them. In the end I would basically review their whole case along with things they were trying to accomplish. Shrink called up Dr told "I do not know where you found this guy, there is nothing wrong with him one bit". The next Dr office, I told the Dr " I told you I was not a wacka do". He sat there did not have much to say. From my research 80% of depression is not psychological its biological. I have proved this factor many times reducing people medication under drs supervision, by examining other underlying issues. Out of the few thousands cases I have dealt with Dr's. 2 of them could not be medically justification for their depression. Dr did not tell me she was a disability case LOL. She was just looking for people to feel sorry for her to get attention. Referred her out to psychologist after wasting 100's of hours on her case trying to come up with some justifiable explanation.

 

[Elit3]

They put me on pretty much all of the SSRI's and some other stuff throughout the years, none of it worked long term, I think that they just prolonged the situation and made matters worse. Things have gotten worse. At this point I have been off of meds since about May or June this year and have been trying to get to the bottom of this alternative to what the doctors have been telling me. There have been some discouraging times in which I though about going back on meds, but I haven't yet and I'm glad that I haven't because those just like alcohol and others drugs are crutches really. I'm glad that I am taking this test. I'm keeping my expectations realistic, but I'm optimistic that the test will go a long way in helping me out.

The test kit brought an additional form for a vitamin D test. It called a advanced beneficiary notice of noncoverage stating that medicare might not cover the vitamin D lab test. Is that test necessary? I don't think I have medicare, but in any case I dont mind paying for it so I'll just sign it and turn it in with the kit test day...

 

[BlackCoffee]

Interesting. on average in a week how many days do you wake up with morning glory? sexual issues are definatly anxiety related. Look into hypnosis for sexual performance anxiety. I know this because when i have a dysfunctional episode with my girl my mood for a week is lowered and i get no morning glory or spontaneous ones.

Have you checked your prolactin levels? are they high? this is a sex drive killing hormone. My levels are high and im working on this.

Have you detoxed your liver at all?

Try not to research too much into your problems - work with us and Matrix and let the magic ensue. Dwelling on this and staying indoors will get you LOWER. you have good levels of testosterone lets not lower them.

I love this forum and the approach of working things form the INSIDE out. Many helpful people on here. You are not alone!

 

[The Matrix]

They put me on pretty much all of the SSRI's and some other stuff throughout the years, none of it worked long term, I think that they just prolonged the situation and made matters worse. Things have gotten worse. At this point I have been off of meds since about May or June this year and have been trying to get to the bottom of this alternative to what the doctors have been telling me. There have been some discouraging times in which I though about going back on meds, but I haven't yet and I'm glad that I haven't because those just like alcohol and others drugs are crutches really. I'm glad that I am taking this test. I'm keeping my expectations realistic, but I'm optimistic that the test will go a long way in helping me out.

The test kit brought an additional form for a vitamin D test. It called a advanced beneficiary notice of noncoverage stating that medicare might not cover the vitamin D lab test. Is that test necessary? I don't think I have medicare, but in any case I dont mind paying for it so I'll just sign it and turn it in with the kit test day...

If.you.bought.it they should run. If.you did.not buy it going through insurance then you need to worry about it.
If.you had.Medicare you know.it
Vitamin d is crucial to.optimal.health care..

Once i start investigating, looking at patterns from.all.the data given. I.normally have to look through 100 or more pages of data per case. Takes me a while but as people know a logical and medical validated explanation will be given. Dealing with.medical professionals who deal.with insurance what medically excepted answers or they will.not take you seriously.

 

[Elit3]

Black Coffee- Thanks. On average I have one maybe two morning glories and they are not very impressive at all. Last week I had one that was decent though. However I cannot duplicate that when I have to perform, or even masterbate. Anxiety is certaintly a problem. I hope to find out what is causing this anxiety.

Right now I don't have much of a social life. Have turned into a recluse really. I know that I need to get out more, but I just don't even know where to start honestly, aside from testing and getting healthier. I still workout though so that is good and I walk plenty. My psycological issues, my sexual dysfunction, my hair loss--it's all destroying me pretty much. I am a positive person and try to stay optimistic, faith is what I have now. That things will get better.

I've suspected prolactin, in terms of sexual dysfunction, for a while now. Even after my january prolatin score seems within range, I think that it could stil be a problem. I do have puffiness in my nipples, not gyno I don't think, but soft pufy nipples, which I read that could be due to elevated prolactin. I took vitex not too long ago to see if it helped, but I didn't take it for very long, not a good run. I have deprenyl whoich ,might help lower it, but I am waiting until after the test to restart my supplements and the deprenyl is a small dose for neuroprotective benefits nothing more so I don't know that it will help.

I have not done a liver detox in a while, but I have some NAC that I will start after the test and I'm thinking of getting R-ALA as well. I'm pretty sure my liver is not in good health.

Matrix- I'm sure I don't have medicare, however I will definitely get the vitamin D test taken as well. The test is scheduled for Monday. Looking forward to it.

 

[BlackCoffee]

Eiite, PM me tommorow as a reminder, so that I can give you the links of some interesting reads regarding the performance anxiety.
Don't worry about your hair, bald is the new beautiful lol. But puffy nipples too? I had those too til I got them removed. I'm suspecting prolactin still. Get on board with the liver detox I think..

 

[Elit3]

Update:

Took the nutreval test today and sent it in for analysis. Should be a few weeks to hear back. Got my fingers crossed for some telling results.

 

[The Matrix]

Update:

Took the nutreval test today and sent it in for analysis. Should be a few weeks to hear back. Got my fingers crossed for some telling results.

Its really sad that people have to put out all this money to get proper answers. I will tell you this. Sacrficing now will pay off in the long run because at least you will have more of an idea where to focus on them running around for a few years wasting money on supplements and un needed dr's appointment. This testing along with an open minded GP or another health professional will go much further then wasting time playing guessing games as others have. Yes it is alot of money up front, but over the course of the years it will save you tons of money in health care. I have helped a lot of guys here, but due to board rules I told them not tell about their experience due for the fact of advertising. If there is anything that I can to help I will people know that. I have even talked to people's Dr here who were open minded to try to help educate them. My actually title is Physician Consultant. I talked to open minded Dr's about complex health issues their patients.

 

[hitest]

hitest- You hit a lot of good points. I take it that by comprehensive testing you would consider the nutreval in that department? I will be ordering the nutreval. Gotta get my mojo back, thats my mission right now.

For exersise I've been doing 5x5, compound exercises, at least twice a week. No cardio except I do walk quite a bit in combination with public transport.

Matrix- The cheapest nutreval that I've found online is for $742, that's without shipping. Not too far from the price that you found. I'll just go ahead and order that since I am pressed for time. I will let you know when as soon as my results come in.

Sorry for the slow response. I do not have first hand experience with NutrEval so I cannot make a recommendation about it. Since you have already gone ahead with it I hope it is what you need. It certainly covers a lot of stuff. Please share the results with us.

 

[The Matrix]

Try acai berries, fish oil, 5-htp and tyrosine. Combats depression, and will enhance libido.

Acai berries biggest scam, Fish oil only if biochemistry is proper, 5 thp and tyrosine you are playing with fire not knowing where the imbalances are in the neurology. People who end up self medication making them selves worse. It takes months to get them back to balance to start going in the right directions. Dopamine and serotonin imbalance can both produce depressive symptoms, but one needs to know when and how to supplement based upon correct biochemistry.

 

[Elit3]

Matrix, I see you have time to reply to other posts here, but not to my emails. I suggest you start acting more professional and reply to my emails in a timely manner. I am still waiting to schedule that appointment, and I have not heard back from you. You say you want to help, but now you have my money and I'm over here waiting. I humbly came to these boards looking for help and have done nothing but try to get my health back. Don't waste my time or my money. I can always get help somewhere else from someone else. Maybe you will have the integrity to send me my money back.

 

[Elit3]

"Microwave society" has nothing to do with professionalism. I simply wanted to schedule an appointment for this week yet I had not received a response, but you seem to have plenty of time to respond to posts here. I heat my food on a stove, old school.

 

[The Matrix]

"Microwave society" has nothing to do with professionalism. I simply wanted to schedule an appointment for this week yet I had not received a response, but you seem to have plenty of time to respond to posts here. I heat my food on a stove, old school.

professionalism is a response.with in.24 hours business day . Here it is the weekend. Please discuss in private not.in.open.forum.the.issue has been addressed.

 

[Elit3]

Issue addressed.

 

[hitest]

I have been checking back to see if the NutraEval test revealed something useful.

 

[The Matrix]

I have been checking back to see if the NutraEval test revealed something useful.

Yes it did, revealed alot with went along with what they where expereincing symptomology wise. The reason people do not get anything out of it is because they do not understand how to interpret all the hidden information it holds. The nice thing is that results are confirmed again 2-3 other lab then verified the findings through further exploration with additional labs

 

[Elit3]

hitest- sorry for such a late reply. I've been away from these boards for a while getting things sorted out and I no longer use the email that was attached to this account.

I took the nutreval back in mid December. Had the results early January and then had a phone consult with the matrix to go over the results and what they mean. We went over the results and he made some recommendations as far as diet and supplementation. The test is expensive and the whole processfor getting the kit in and samples taken is a pain in the ass, but when it comes to health, I was more than willing to do it.

Was it worth it? Im not sure. Right now I am on a anti-yeast diet and supplements that are really nothing special aside from being uber-expensive. I have noticed better bowel movements and sleep, this after elimnating all sugars, coffee, and alcohol. After two months on the diet, I still have anxiety, foggy brain, and no social life nor desire to socialize. I have even less motivation to workout on this diet as well. I have noticed that my libido is a bit better, but still not where it should be. One good thing is that I am getting more frequent morning erections.

It is expensive, and unfortunately I have only one use for it now and that is with the matrix. The test results say that I am fine in many things, but matrix says otherwise. In the future I will try to consult with others that can interpret it, but right now I have spent a lot of money and need to take things easy. Soon I will try to have my mercury fillings removed, but that is something that I was planning on before tis test and the consult.

hitest- you seem to have a pretty good handle on where you are with your health. I'm also curious to see what you end up doing. Good luck to you.

 

[The Matrix]

hitest- sorry for such a late reply. I've been away from these boards for a while getting things sorted out and I no longer use the email that was attached to this account.

I took the nutreval back in mid December. Had the results early January and then had a phone consult with the matrix to go over the results and what they mean. We went over the results and he made some recommendations as far as diet and supplementation. The test is expensive and the whole processfor getting the kit in and samples taken is a pain in the ass, but when it comes to health, I was more than willing to do it.

Was it worth it? Im not sure. Right now I am on a anti-yeast diet and supplements that are really nothing special aside from being uber-expensive. I have noticed better bowel movements and sleep, this after elimnating all sugars, coffee, and alcohol. After two months on the diet, I still have anxiety, foggy brain, and no social life nor desire to socialize. I have even less motivation to workout on this diet as well. I have noticed that my libido is a bit better, but still not where it should be. One good thing is that I am getting more frequent morning erections.

It is expensive, and unfortunately I have only one use for it now and that is with the matrix. The test results say that I am fine in many things, but matrix says otherwise. In the future I will try to consult with others that can interpret it, but right now I have spent a lot of money and need to take things easy. Soon I will try to have my mercury fillings removed, but that is something that I was planning on before tis test and the consult.
hitest- you seem to have a pretty good handle on where you are with your health. I'm also curious to see what you end up doing. Good luck to you.

It is just a starting point as things progress,slowly things will be reduced. Remember you are just supporting all the issues which are being blocked up by mercury, It is a known fact one can not get rid of bad bacteria till you get rid of the mercury, right now you just keeping things at bay the best you can. Be thankful, I had to go through over $70,000 of life savings and lossing 7 years of my life just to find out what I already knew, but could not prove it to drs because they where so bullheaded, just want to give me antidepressants and other unnecessary meds. It is not an easy task, for all and all you have made improvements where are much further then you where 2-3 months ago. I can not emphasize to people, It did not happen over night and will not get resolved over night. Majority of people have spent $10,000's traveling to specialized Dr's and still not getting any progress for years. As noted in cases like these it can take up to 6 months or longer really to see the true benefits. Its only been 3 months, modifcations will be made along the way to accompany your needs very easily. Remember once the cells recieve the proper changes which can take 2-3 months then the cells have to recycle and heal the damage at the tissue level which can take 6 months or longer. Children with autism can take years to make progress. It just takes patients and keep moving in the right direction which you are with what progression has been seen already. Several hours are also spent out side reviewing cases with medical professionals who are also well respected in the field who I use frequently to get their imput on things and vice versa. This is why having a huge network of diverse medical professionals is crucial who are willing to work together for the benefit of client/ Dr's patient.

 

[Elit3]

It is just a starting point as things progress,slowly things will be reduced. Remember you are just supporting all the issues which are being blocked up by mercury, It is a known fact one can not get rid of bad bacteria till you get rid of the mercury, right now you just keeping things at bay the best you can. Be thankful, I had to go through over $70,000 of life savings and lossing 7 years of my life just to find out what I already knew, but could not prove it to drs because they where so bullheaded, just want to give me antidepressants and other unnecessary meds. It is not an easy task, for all and all you have made improvements where are much further then you where 2-3 months ago. I can not emphasize to people, It did not happen over night and will not get resolved over night. Majority of people have spent $10,000's traveling to specialized Dr's and still not getting any progress for years. As noted in cases like these it can take up to 6 months or longer really to see the true benefits. Its only been 3 months, modifcations will be made along the way to accompany your needs very easily. Remember once the cells recieve the proper changes which can take 2-3 months then the cells have to recycle and heal the damage at the tissue level which can take 6 months or longer. Children with autism can take years to make progress. It just takes patients and keep moving in the right direction which you are with what progression has been seen already. Several hours are also spent out side reviewing cases with medical professionals who are also well respected in the field who I use frequently to get their imput on things and vice versa. This is why having a huge network of diverse medical professionals is crucial who are willing to work together for the benefit of client/ Dr's patient.

I do like some of the supps, I should have worded my previous post differently. A few I like, while others I could care less for. I agree, I have to remember that the mercury is potentially a big buffer to progress right now. I think maybe I shouldn't be voicing my frustrations too much as my mind is in a chronic state of stress. The truth is that I am seeing very slow, but steady progress, but its hard to remember that. I get so caught up in the things that are wrong and everything else that I have to do, and the time needed to get better. The slow progress makes me feel as if there is no progres at all sometimes, but I agree with you that this will take time. Your quote above but somethings into better perspective.

A big problem, as we discussed, is my inability to function without coffee/caffeine. Since I reintroduced coffee, some symptoms have gotten worse i.e. worsening bowel movements, anxiety, insomnia, lack of sleep. I did get more work done while I was on it (for about a week), but at the cost of what I think is a set back (these symptoms). I stopped the coffee last weekend and started with the acetyl l tyrosine and doubled the dose recently, but it is not doing a damn thing. It seems like a lot of supplements for as long time don't do much for me, the ALT being another one. I need to do something about the dopamine reward pathway, so that I can stay motivated and yet not suffer the side effects that I mentioned. I still have 2/3 of deprenyl citrate which I haven't taken since last year. Do you think I can start on that? What would be a good dosage/protocol fo it? The fact that it is sublingual alone should mean better efficacy than the ALT.

 

[The Matrix]

Some times giving substrates may not help because the problem is at the receptor level. Let me do some research then hit you up an email.

 

[Elit3]

Appears to be the case with me in terms of the substrates not working. Let me know what you find.

Knowing that this healing will take time it is still frustrating because I had more energy and a better mood, albeit more inflammation, when I was eating sugars and complex carbs, and drinking coffee with real sugar in it. I've been burning ketones for a while now, but it doesn't seem to be enough on it's own--the body feels stronger, yet the mind feels weaker.

And I have a lack of satiety from my veg, meat and fat meals which I can stop if I eat tubers.

 

[The Matrix]

Appears to be the case with me in terms of the substrates not working. Let me know what you find.

Knowing that this healing will take time it is still frustrating because I had more energy and a better mood, albeit more inflammation, when I was eating sugars and complex carbs, and drinking coffee with real sugar in it. I've been burning ketones for a while now, but it doesn't seem to be enough on it's own--the body feels stronger, yet the mind feels weaker.

And I have a lack of satiety from my veg, meat and fat meals which I can stop if I eat tubers.

Healing the body is the easier part, healing the mind is much more of a challenge. One needs to have a strong mind in order to complete the healing process. Give me something to work on for the next few days.

 

[Elit3]

Did your research tell you anything?

 

[The Matrix]

Did your research tell you anything?

A lot of medical Dr's where off today should be in office tomorrow..

 

[Elit3]

OK let me know. I'm curious to see what they say.

 

[The Matrix]

OK let me know. I'm curious to see what they say.

They said its most likely the inablity to turn over dopamine or it could be from just mental stress which is also shown to elevate it in clincal studies. I have been working on revamping things cutting down on alot of things to make things more manageable.

 

[Elit3]

OK so how do I fix it? What pisses me off is that with all the money I have spent, all the effort, and the labs, I still don't know what the hell is going on.

There won't be another consult. The second consult was a huge dissapointment. You recommended things that didn't make sense and made me doubt that you know what you are doing. I think you did help point me in the right direction in terms of the gut, I'll give you that. Thank you. I'll take it from here.

 

[Elit3]

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[The Matrix]

OK so how do I fix it? What pisses me off is that with all the money I have spent, all the effort, and the labs, I still don't know what the hell is going on.

There won't be another consult. The second consult was a huge dissapointment. You recommended things that didn't make sense and made me doubt that you know what you are doing. I think you did help point me in the right direction in terms of the gut, I'll give you that. Thank you. I'll take it from here.

Your right I would have not had another one either because you know what you have to do, and I understand your frustration. I took you as far as I could. Now the rest is up to you..
If people only knew half a clue what I go through to get the proper information. While other people where spending holiday weekend with their familys I had the opportunity to talk to one of the worlds leading specialist in functional medicine Dr Rouse. After spending a good hour of my time and his on a weekend (when he is available majority of the time), it was obvious what needs to be done. He even suggested to tigthen up on the diet even more. For a person to see him ($500+/hour). I am very lucky to have access to him as he not only helps me with cases, but also has helped me with my own issues in the past by putting me in the right direction to research in order to learn and better my self to help others. During the next few days I spoke to a DR of neurology(one of the most respected in the field), ND, my MD, to get their feed back on things as well. Every one been saying the same thing I have been saying from the start. One can only support the systems (GI, liver, ect) until the metabolic road blocks are removed. With out the inability to get deeper into the issue through proper testing, there is only speculation that there may be a possible viral load (lyme, ect). We all did agree on when heavy metals are involved it can throw a monkey wrench into the whole HPTA system and other organs. The blood tests could be perfect, but could result in a functional deficeincy from binding of metals to receptor sites, or even hormones it self. It is a known fact unless you get rid of the heavy metals, your immune system will always be compromised and open to any opportunistic infections. Just alone time talking to these people would have been several hundred dollars. Information I provides come from the best resources in the world. Before making any recommendations to a Dr to their patient, I review it with other medical professionals if I am unsure to get there feed back. You may not turning dopamine over or it is a sign of mental stress and anxiety causing a catecholamine release. If a person was to take a drug to increase dopamine levels and they where to have a negative effect then it would be obvious the problem was not in the level, but rather in the ability to turn it over properly at the receptor sites. What you asked me the other day this would answer your question. If one decides to do this then any kind of precursor for dopamine would not be a good idea as this could put you into a bliss state which is very dangerous from excessive of dopamine. Personally its a real gamble, I would not recommend it. Using OTC subrates to build and help dopamine levels are one thing when messing with drugs is completely another. Which is highly unadvisable.

 

[hitest]

hitest- sorry for such a late reply. I've been away from these boards for a while getting things sorted out and I no longer use the email that was attached to this account.

I took the nutreval back in mid December. Had the results early January and then had a phone consult with the matrix to go over the results and what they mean. We went over the results and he made some recommendations as far as diet and supplementation. The test is expensive and the whole processfor getting the kit in and samples taken is a pain in the ass, but when it comes to health, I was more than willing to do it.

Was it worth it? Im not sure. Right now I am on a anti-yeast diet and supplements that are really nothing special aside from being uber-expensive. I have noticed better bowel movements and sleep, this after elimnating all sugars, coffee, and alcohol. After two months on the diet, I still have anxiety, foggy brain, and no social life nor desire to socialize. I have even less motivation to workout on this diet as well. I have noticed that my libido is a bit better, but still not where it should be. One good thing is that I am getting more frequent morning erections.

It is expensive, and unfortunately I have only one use for it now and that is with the matrix. The test results say that I am fine in many things, but matrix says otherwise. In the future I will try to consult with others that can interpret it, but right now I have spent a lot of money and need to take things easy. Soon I will try to have my mercury fillings removed, but that is something that I was planning on before tis test and the consult.

hitest- you seem to have a pretty good handle on where you are with your health. I'm also curious to see what you end up doing. Good luck to you.

Thanks for the updates. I've been away from the boards for a while too. I was looking for a new job. Now that I have a new position I am back poking around. I'm not surprised that you did not solve all your problems already but at least it seems that you made some progress. These are typically hard problems. Diagnostic testing has not advanced far enough to reveal all. I was hoping you would post specific test results that were abnormal. I presume that some of these were indicating gut yeast issues based on your diet changes. Do you have a normal blood counts?

 

[The Matrix]

in each case of high shbg I have dealt with there have been issues with major gut dysbiosis/ and or heavy metal issues which has been identifed or the people are on thyroid meds which just increased the. I have cases I am working on shbg are >130 it's mind boggling even with having TT of >1200 without supplementation. When trying to manipulate shbg the T drops..T and shbg are in direct lock step..

 

[jsals22]

My situation sounds very similiar. where did you get the deprynel citrate from? How is everything going now

 

[Elit3]

Thanks for the updates. I've been away from the boards for a while too. I was looking for a new job. Now that I have a new position I am back poking around. I'm not surprised that you did not solve all your problems already but at least it seems that you made some progress. These are typically hard problems. Diagnostic testing has not advanced far enough to reveal all. I was hoping you would post specific test results that were abnormal. I presume that some of these were indicating gut yeast issues based on your diet changes. Do you have a normal blood counts?

Yeah, I'm looking for a job right now too. I don't know if I have a normal blood count (honestly), I can check the nutreval though. I have other test results like a thyroid panel, SHBG, Cortisol/DHEA and Vitamin D that I can post as well when I have more time. I'm thinking of getting a MTHFR test done.

As far as the nutreval, It is a lot of information on a pdf. If you want I can post specific things from the test, for example, the gut yeast indicators, if Matrix can refresh my memory as to which ones they were...

My situation sounds very similiar. where did you get the deprynel citrate from? How is everything going now

Somedays are better than others. I'm still isolating a lot. I feel angry and irritable. Cannot function well without coffee/caffeine. Trying to stay positive...

 

[Elit3]

My situation sounds very similiar. where did you get the deprynel citrate from? How is everything going now

I wouldn't actually recommend the deprenyl citrate, because I just do not know if it works or what bad sides it causes, but if you want I can send you a PM with a link.

 

[Elit3]

These are my other recent labs:

Cortisol Panel
8am- 5.03 ng/ml in 3.5-6.3 range
Noon- 2.25 ng/ml in 1.4-2.8
4pm- 1.37 ng/ml in 0.8-2.4
8pm- 1.01 ng/ml in 0.6-1.6
Midnight- 0.82ng/ml 0.3-1.2
4am- 1.80 ng/ml 0.3-1.7

DHEA
8am- 3.0 ng/ml in 2.8-12.7 range
8pm- 2.2 ng/ml in 2.7-9.0
Midnight- 2.0 ng/ml in 1.8-8.1

Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab006676 7 in 0-34 IU/mL range
Antithyroglobulin Ab006692 <20 in 0-40 IU/mL

TSH+T4F+T3Free
TSH004264 0.664 in 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL range
Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum010389 4 in 2.0-4.4 pg/mL
T4,Free(Direct)019745 1.42 in 0.82-1.77 ng/dL

Iron Bind.Cap.(TIBC) 282 in 250-450 ug/dL range
UIBC- LOW- 89 in 150-375 ug/dL
Iron- HIGH- 193 in 40-155 ug/dL
Iron Saturation- HIGH- 68 in 15-55%
Ferritin- 73 in 30-400 ng/mL

Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy range
40.3 in 30.0-100.0 ng/mL

Transferrin- 245 in 200-370 mg/dL range

Sex Horm Binding Glob- HIGH- 102.0 in 16.5-55.9 nmol/L range

If you guys/gals can suggest anything that would be great.

 

[jsals22]

Stinging nettles supposed to help lower shbg along w avena sativa