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    OK so how do I fix it? What pisses me off is that with all the money I have spent, all the effort, and the labs, I still don't know what the hell is going on.

    There won't be another consult. The second consult was a huge dissapointment. You recommended things that didn't make sense and made me doubt that you know what you are doing. I think you did help point me in the right direction in terms of the gut, I'll give you that. Thank you. I'll take it from here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elit3 View Post
    OK so how do I fix it? What pisses me off is that with all the money I have spent, all the effort, and the labs, I still don't know what the hell is going on.

    There won't be another consult. The second consult was a huge dissapointment. You recommended things that didn't make sense and made me doubt that you know what you are doing. I think you did help point me in the right direction in terms of the gut, I'll give you that. Thank you. I'll take it from here.
    Your right I would have not had another one either because you know what you have to do, and I understand your frustration. I took you as far as I could. Now the rest is up to you..
    If people only knew half a clue what I go through to get the proper information. While other people where spending holiday weekend with their familys I had the opportunity to talk to one of the worlds leading specialist in functional medicine Dr Rouse. After spending a good hour of my time and his on a weekend (when he is available majority of the time), it was obvious what needs to be done. He even suggested to tigthen up on the diet even more. For a person to see him ($500+/hour). I am very lucky to have access to him as he not only helps me with cases, but also has helped me with my own issues in the past by putting me in the right direction to research in order to learn and better my self to help others. During the next few days I spoke to a DR of neurology(one of the most respected in the field), ND, my MD, to get their feed back on things as well. Every one been saying the same thing I have been saying from the start. One can only support the systems (GI, liver, ect) until the metabolic road blocks are removed. With out the inability to get deeper into the issue through proper testing, there is only speculation that there may be a possible viral load (lyme, ect). We all did agree on when heavy metals are involved it can throw a monkey wrench into the whole HPTA system and other organs. The blood tests could be perfect, but could result in a functional deficeincy from binding of metals to receptor sites, or even hormones it self. It is a known fact unless you get rid of the heavy metals, your immune system will always be compromised and open to any opportunistic infections. Just alone time talking to these people would have been several hundred dollars. Information I provides come from the best resources in the world. Before making any recommendations to a Dr to their patient, I review it with other medical professionals if I am unsure to get there feed back. You may not turning dopamine over or it is a sign of mental stress and anxiety causing a catecholamine release. If a person was to take a drug to increase dopamine levels and they where to have a negative effect then it would be obvious the problem was not in the level, but rather in the ability to turn it over properly at the receptor sites. What you asked me the other day this would answer your question. If one decides to do this then any kind of precursor for dopamine would not be a good idea as this could put you into a bliss state which is very dangerous from excessive of dopamine. Personally its a real gamble, I would not recommend it. Using OTC subrates to build and help dopamine levels are one thing when messing with drugs is completely another. Which is highly unadvisable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elit3 View Post
    hitest- sorry for such a late reply. I've been away from these boards for a while getting things sorted out and I no longer use the email that was attached to this account.

    I took the nutreval back in mid December. Had the results early January and then had a phone consult with the matrix to go over the results and what they mean. We went over the results and he made some recommendations as far as diet and supplementation. The test is expensive and the whole processfor getting the kit in and samples taken is a pain in the ass, but when it comes to health, I was more than willing to do it.

    Was it worth it? Im not sure. Right now I am on a anti-yeast diet and supplements that are really nothing special aside from being uber-expensive. I have noticed better bowel movements and sleep, this after elimnating all sugars, coffee, and alcohol. After two months on the diet, I still have anxiety, foggy brain, and no social life nor desire to socialize. I have even less motivation to workout on this diet as well. I have noticed that my libido is a bit better, but still not where it should be. One good thing is that I am getting more frequent morning erections.

    It is expensive, and unfortunately I have only one use for it now and that is with the matrix. The test results say that I am fine in many things, but matrix says otherwise. In the future I will try to consult with others that can interpret it, but right now I have spent a lot of money and need to take things easy. Soon I will try to have my mercury fillings removed, but that is something that I was planning on before tis test and the consult.

    hitest- you seem to have a pretty good handle on where you are with your health. I'm also curious to see what you end up doing. Good luck to you.
    Thanks for the updates. I've been away from the boards for a while too. I was looking for a new job. Now that I have a new position I am back poking around. I'm not surprised that you did not solve all your problems already but at least it seems that you made some progress. These are typically hard problems. Diagnostic testing has not advanced far enough to reveal all. I was hoping you would post specific test results that were abnormal. I presume that some of these were indicating gut yeast issues based on your diet changes. Do you have a normal blood counts?
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    in each case of high shbg I have dealt with there have been issues with major gut dysbiosis/ and or heavy metal issues which has been identifed or the people are on thyroid meds which just increased the. I have cases I am working on shbg are >130 it's mind boggling even with having TT of >1200 without supplementation. When trying to manipulate shbg the T drops..T and shbg are in direct lock step..
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    My situation sounds very similiar. where did you get the deprynel citrate from? How is everything going now
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitest View Post
    Thanks for the updates. I've been away from the boards for a while too. I was looking for a new job. Now that I have a new position I am back poking around. I'm not surprised that you did not solve all your problems already but at least it seems that you made some progress. These are typically hard problems. Diagnostic testing has not advanced far enough to reveal all. I was hoping you would post specific test results that were abnormal. I presume that some of these were indicating gut yeast issues based on your diet changes. Do you have a normal blood counts?
    Yeah, I'm looking for a job right now too. I don't know if I have a normal blood count (honestly), I can check the nutreval though. I have other test results like a thyroid panel, SHBG, Cortisol/DHEA and Vitamin D that I can post as well when I have more time. I'm thinking of getting a MTHFR test done.

    As far as the nutreval, It is a lot of information on a pdf. If you want I can post specific things from the test, for example, the gut yeast indicators, if Matrix can refresh my memory as to which ones they were...

    Quote Originally Posted by jsals22 View Post
    My situation sounds very similiar. where did you get the deprynel citrate from? How is everything going now
    Somedays are better than others. I'm still isolating a lot. I feel angry and irritable. Cannot function well without coffee/caffeine. Trying to stay positive...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsals22 View Post
    My situation sounds very similiar. where did you get the deprynel citrate from? How is everything going now
    I wouldn't actually recommend the deprenyl citrate, because I just do not know if it works or what bad sides it causes, but if you want I can send you a PM with a link.
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    These are my other recent labs:

    Cortisol Panel
    8am- 5.03 ng/ml in 3.5-6.3 range
    Noon- 2.25 ng/ml in 1.4-2.8
    4pm- 1.37 ng/ml in 0.8-2.4
    8pm- 1.01 ng/ml in 0.6-1.6
    Midnight- 0.82ng/ml 0.3-1.2
    4am- 1.80 ng/ml 0.3-1.7

    DHEA
    8am- 3.0 ng/ml in 2.8-12.7 range
    8pm- 2.2 ng/ml in 2.7-9.0
    Midnight- 2.0 ng/ml in 1.8-8.1

    Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab006676 7 in 0-34 IU/mL range
    Antithyroglobulin Ab006692 <20 in 0-40 IU/mL

    TSH+T4F+T3Free
    TSH004264 0.664 in 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL range
    Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum010 389 4 in 2.0-4.4 pg/mL
    T4,Free(Direct)019745 1.42 in 0.82-1.77 ng/dL

    Iron Bind.Cap.(TIBC) 282 in 250-450 ug/dL range
    UIBC- LOW- 89 in 150-375 ug/dL
    Iron- HIGH- 193 in 40-155 ug/dL
    Iron Saturation- HIGH- 68 in 15-55%
    Ferritin- 73 in 30-400 ng/mL

    Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy range
    40.3 in 30.0-100.0 ng/mL

    Transferrin- 245 in 200-370 mg/dL range

    Sex Horm Binding Glob- HIGH- 102.0 in 16.5-55.9 nmol/L range

    If you guys/gals can suggest anything that would be great.
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    Stinging nettles supposed to help lower shbg along w avena sativa
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    Would lowering SHBG be a good thing? As it may lower TT. Vitamin D is supposed to lower it as well and I have been taking 5000i.u. since that last test. I can look into stinging nettle and avena sativa, but I am already taking lots of supps.

    Matrix thinks high SHBG is an indicator of gut inflammation. My diet and supps should help reduce the inflammation, but that will take time. I need to do something now to get my life back to a place where I can at least feel decent, have some motivation (without caffeine), socialization, better sleep, increase libido/having sex again--enjouying my youth or whatever I have left of it because right now I feel like I am wasting much of it away.
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    Our situations sound very similiar. Actually getting ready to go back to dr to get more extensive bloodwork today. Pretty much at my wits end sure you know the feeling. Just want to feel normal
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    Yeah man I totally know it. Desperate times, got to keep plugging away at this. Won't give up the fight.
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    Dr took more bloodwork and prescribed me an anti anxiety and once a day cialis, hopefully helps
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    Been down that road. Levitra and anti-depressants/anti-anxiety meds. Now I am trying to get to the root cause instead of taking meds like these which cause bad sides. I guess that stuff can help you get by until your bloodwork gets in and you can investigate further. Just try not to become reliant on the cialis. I have no experience with cialis or the once a day stuff, maybe it is different. The levitra worked for me, but made me red in the face and uncomfortable. Good luck and keep us posted.
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    high T + LH = Mais.I told you before but you don't listen to me.
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    High LH means that your brain thinks your T is low and your nuts aren't producing enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elit3 View Post
    These are my other recent labs:

    Cortisol Panel
    8am- 5.03 ng/ml in 3.5-6.3 range
    Noon- 2.25 ng/ml in 1.4-2.8
    4pm- 1.37 ng/ml in 0.8-2.4
    8pm- 1.01 ng/ml in 0.6-1.6
    Midnight- 0.82ng/ml 0.3-1.2
    4am- 1.80 ng/ml 0.3-1.7

    DHEA
    8am- 3.0 ng/ml in 2.8-12.7 range
    8pm- 2.2 ng/ml in 2.7-9.0
    Midnight- 2.0 ng/ml in 1.8-8.1

    Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab006676 7 in 0-34 IU/mL range
    Antithyroglobulin Ab006692 <20 in 0-40 IU/mL

    TSH+T4F+T3Free
    TSH004264 0.664 in 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL range
    Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum010 389 4 in 2.0-4.4 pg/mL
    T4,Free(Direct)019745 1.42 in 0.82-1.77 ng/dL

    Iron Bind.Cap.(TIBC) 282 in 250-450 ug/dL range
    UIBC- LOW- 89 in 150-375 ug/dL
    Iron- HIGH- 193 in 40-155 ug/dL
    Iron Saturation- HIGH- 68 in 15-55%
    Ferritin- 73 in 30-400 ng/mL

    Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy range
    40.3 in 30.0-100.0 ng/mL

    Transferrin- 245 in 200-370 mg/dL range

    Sex Horm Binding Glob- HIGH- 102.0 in 16.5-55.9 nmol/L range

    If you guys/gals can suggest anything that would be great.

    If you think that you have gut inflamation why not switch to a protein and fat diet with some natural fruit sprinkled in there. Most gut issues are due to grains. Fruit for the most part is well tolerated by almost everyone.
    Second, since you have dopamine issues try dostinex or caber. Start at .5mg a week and up it to 1mg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    If you think that you have gut inflamation why not switch to a protein and fat diet with some natural fruit sprinkled in there. Most gut issues are due to grains. Fruit for the most part is well tolerated by almost everyone.
    Second, since you have dopamine issues try dostinex or caber. Start at .5mg a week and up it to 1mg.
    Most likely dealing with major inflammation with in liver or GI tract.
    Would also rule out hemochromatosis with your DR which could be causing inflammation to raise SHBG.
    Vitamin D is down need 8-10,000 ius of emulsified form
    Immune system is taken a beating from some type of pathogen. possible mold or myctoxins

    What type of house do you live in or how old is the house.

    Genetically our immune systems are weaker then past 10-15 years, just in the last 5 years I have seen a radical change in immune compromise. People are getting more chemically and food senstiive with no rational explanation. Reason why? Food, water, air we consume is altered genetic expression for the worst. Autism is 1 in 88 now ...Duh I wonder why?
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Most likely dealing with major inflammation with in liver or GI tract.
    Would also rule out hemochromatosis with your DR which could be causing inflammation to raise SHBG.
    Vitamin D is down need 8-10,000 ius of emulsified form
    Immune system is taken a beating from some type of pathogen. possible mold or myctoxins

    What type of house do you live in or how old is the house.

    Genetically our immune systems are weaker then past 10-15 years, just in the last 5 years I have seen a radical change in immune compromise. People are getting more chemically and food senstiive with no rational explanation. Reason why? Food, water, air we consume is altered genetic expression for the worst. Autism is 1 in 88 now ...Duh I wonder why?
    The food source is a joke, primarely because I think in order to make more profits companies modify the heck out of it and adding all kind of chemicals to add test, color etc.
    I also have read some studies in northern europe where lack of vitamin d in some cases had either destroyed or impaired beta cells from producing insulin so from birth ppl end up with type 1 diabetes. I do believe vit D is very important for cell function.
    You know now that you mention it there are more and more cases of ppl geting sick. I have the pleasure of dealing with some HS kids and I just learned that the HS has a phyc on staff!
    I asked them why?
    That's because many kids has learnning disability and behavior problems in other words autistic that they need constant help. I was floored when I heard that.
    Such different times than when I grew up
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    i'll make a proper post in a couple of days. writing this on my Wii.

    This guy clearly has MAIS.

    Google 'Mild Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. I know cause I've been diagnosed with it.

    Check out the diagnosis section of the MAIS wiki article.

    "The androgen sensitivity index defined as the product of luteinizing hormone and testosterone is frequently raised in men with MAIS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sade View Post
    i'll make a proper post in a couple of days. writing this on my Wii.This guy clearly has MAIS.Google 'Mild Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. I know cause I've been diagnosed with it.Check out the diagnosis section of the MAIS wiki article."The androgen sensitivity index defined as the product of luteinizing hormone and testosterone is frequently raised in men with MAIS.
    Diagnosed by whom and on what criteria? Isn't there genetic testing which will confirm this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sade View Post
    high T + LH = Mais.I told you before but you don't listen to me.
    I looked into MAIS, but one of the symptoms is delayed development of secondary sexual characteristics, like facial, Adam's apple... I have a well developed Adams apple, facial and body hair. Unless this syndrome can develope later in life, I'm not buying it in my case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    If you think that you have gut inflamation why not switch to a protein and fat diet with some natural fruit sprinkled in there. Most gut issues are due to grains. Fruit for the most part is well tolerated by almost everyone.
    Second, since you have dopamine issues try dostinex or caber. Start at .5mg a week and up it to 1mg.
    Thanks. Yes Im actually on a paleo diet right now and I have noticed reduced inflammation, but still need to tweek thinks and investigate further. My copper to zinc ratio is too high. That could be a major problem especially where the liver is concerned, so I working on that as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elit3 View Post
    I looked into MAIS, but one of the symptoms is delayed development of secondary sexual characteristics, like facial, Adam's apple... I have a well developed Adams apple, facial and body hair. Unless this syndrome can develope later in life, I'm not buying it in my case.
    Good luck trying to get better. Because you wont with that attitude yiou ****
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elit3 View Post
    Thanks. Yes Im actually on a paleo diet right now and I have noticed reduced inflammation, but still need to tweek thinks and investigate further. My copper to zinc ratio is too high. That could be a major problem especially where the liver is concerned, so I working on that as well.
    Why you get the methylation cycle working properly so you can unload heavy metals on you own..
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    I truly do believe you have symptoms of MAIS. No bull**** man. There can be many variations and such. It explains the majority of your symptoms.
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    Check out my posts under the same user name sade on meso rx. The only way to treat this condition is high dose t to bring you persistently high lh down. You can get treatment for this but 99% of doctors are unaware of it. I have fully bear and sexual secondary characteristics too and adams but i'm also skinny build like you.

    You can keep taking these paleo diets etcc but they wont help. You need high doses of testosterone for this condition to bring your lh down. believe me.

    Read my posts on meso rx. i'm just trying to help. if you don't listen to me you will never get better. I knw a hell of a lot more than matrix who couldn't even help me. he is no expert in this at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sade View Post
    Check out my posts under the same user name sade on meso rx. The only way to treat this condition is high dose t to bring you persistently high lh down. You can get treatment for this but 99% of doctors are unaware of it. I have fully bear and sexual secondary characteristics too and adams but i'm also skinny build like you.You can keep taking these paleo diets etcc but they wont help. You need high doses of testosterone for this condition to bring your lh down. believe me.Read my posts on meso rx. i'm just trying to help. if you don't listen to me you will never get better. I knw a hell of a lot more than matrix who couldn't even help me. he is no expert in this at all.
    This may be associate with people who are could be toxic resulting in the interference of signaling due to toxins binding to the AR site of the hormone. If you want to drive LH down then use HCG as it will suppress LH if that is the desired out come.
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    whats a simple liver detox plan?
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    whats a simple liver detox plan?
    no such thing. If people claim other wise they are full of crap have no idea what the are talking about. Its all.marketing to.make a buck. Programs i have design for doctors are by clinical testing to verify what pathways are altered what mutations are present along with intracellular nutrient testing along thru blood urine and saliva. The Dr then signs off.on it. Why its good.working with drs for this reason.
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    OK so how do I fix it? What pisses me off is that with all the money I have spent, all the effort, and the labs, I still don't know what the hell is going on.
    You need to listem to me. You have MAIS. Paleo diets, pregnenolone, other supps won't help.

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    Testosterone serum- 927 ng/dL in 241-827 range (this is from January 2011)
    Prolactin serum- 10 ng/dL in 2-18 range (also January 2011)
    LH- 11 mIU/mL IN 1-9 range (January 2011)
    TSH- 1.20 uIU/mL IN 0.34-4.82 (January 2011)
    Free test- 100.3 pg/ml in 35.0-155.0 range (this is from May 2011)
    Cortisol serum- 12.14 mcg/dL in 4.30-22.40 range (from July of 2011)

    MAIS is only diagnosed in normal phenotypic males, and is not typically investigated except in cases of male infertility.[18] MAIS has a mild presentation that often goes unnoticed and untreated [15]; even with semenological, clinical and laboratory data, it can be difficult to distinguish between men with and without MAIS, and thus a diagnosis of MAIS is not usually made without confirmation of an AR gene mutation.[5] The androgen sensitivity index (ASI), defined as the product of luteinizing hormone (LH) and testosterone (T), is frequently raised in individuals with all forms of AIS, including MAIS, although many individuals with MAIS have an ASI in the normal range
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    There are ways to actually look for that and other gene mutations associated with MAIS and other disorders thru 23andme testing
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    There are ways to actually look for that and other gene mutations associated with MAIS and other disorders thru 23andme testing
    Genetic testing is expensive and the NHS system over here doesn't provide it. You need to fork out 2000+, funds which I don't have. My next endo app is in March but I'm seriously considering paying a visit to Dr Hertoghe or a good private dr in the UK.
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    $99 is expensive?
    Supply the specific gene along with chromosome location and rsnumber then i could look it up
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    This guy has post propecia sexual dysfunctin, not MAIS, he wont ever get cured.

    crry on eating those paleo diets and taking pregnenolone.

    if you don't listen to me you will di lonely old mn

    hav your doctors pointed out why you LH is high?
  

  
 

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