30 years old, Low-T and not sure what to do...

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  1. Little bit more than 3 months now and I'm more confused than ever...
    After talking with my endo again, i started on 1/20 taking the actual prescribed dosage of 50 mgs a day, (I know Matrix, completely against what you told me)...sorry. She somehow convinced me that I needed that dosage.
    I still felt about the same until the beginning of Feb. I started feeling similar to what I did before treatment. Very lathargic and not much drive...
    Kept the dosage the same and ended up getting what I would consider the "vision" side-effect around the weekend of the 18th. I wouldn't say my vision was blurred but something was not right. I quit the treatment immediately after and side effects went away by the third day...
    Haven't had blood work since the last report so I may call my endo and explain whats going on...
    Trying to figure out if I should restart the clomid at the lower dosage Matrix recommended....


  2. Quote Originally Posted by ap0352 View Post
    Little bit more than 3 months now and I'm more confused than ever...
    After talking with my endo again, i started on 1/20 taking the actual prescribed dosage of 50 mgs a day, (I know Matrix, completely against what you told me)...sorry. She somehow convinced me that I needed that dosage.
    I still felt about the same until the beginning of Feb. I started feeling similar to what I did before treatment. Very lathargic and not much drive...
    Kept the dosage the same and ended up getting what I would consider the "vision" side-effect around the weekend of the 18th. I wouldn't say my vision was blurred but something was not right. I quit the treatment immediately after and side effects went away by the third day...
    Haven't had blood work since the last report so I may call my endo and explain whats going on...
    Trying to figure out if I should restart the clomid at the lower dosage Matrix recommended....
    All I am trying to do is educate you to make the right decision to discuss with your Dr. I do this on a daily basis with Dr's all the time. I am working with a lot of Dr's now and collaborating together has had profound impact. Sitting in on peoples appointment with Dr first time is intimidating or may be awkward to the Dr, but by the end of the appointment we are joking and sharing ideas. I actually have relationships now with Dr's in one of americas oldest healing centers where people come from around the world to be treating.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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  3. Six months or so into it now and my latest total T came back 557. Endo said those results are awesome. I'd say much better but not "awesome".
    Now she wants me to get off the clomid and see if my body will maintain that level. Personally, I'd like my totals in the 650-750 range but I don't know if I'll ever see that even if I stay on clomid...
    Thoughts?

  4. Sorry I don't have any answers for you, but I am considering clomid myself. I know you're not all the way better, but how do you feel compared to before treatment? Especially interested in depression and libido related symptoms. Thanks.

    Oh, I almost forgot. If the cause of your low T is still unclear, you might want to check out if you have sleep apnea or a varicocele. According to studies I've read correcting these conditions can improve T significantly.

    Most doctors will say you have to be middle-aged and fat to have apnea but that is not true. I am 5'9" and 175 and I have apnea. That's only 7 lbs overweight based on bmi. And I'm 27.

    Unfortunately treating my apnea hasn't resolved my symptoms, but your mileage may vary. At least I'm not falling asleep everywhere uncontrollably anymore.
    Last edited by Mrmanguy84; 05-25-2012 at 07:26 PM. Reason: more info

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Mrmanguy84 View Post
    Sorry I don't have any answers for you, but I am considering clomid myself. I know you're not all the way better, but how do you feel compared to before treatment? Especially interested in depression and libido related symptoms. Thanks.

    Oh, I almost forgot. If the cause of your low T is still unclear, you might want to check out if you have sleep apnea or a varicocele. According to studies I've read correcting these conditions can improve T significantly.

    Most doctors will say you have to be middle-aged and fat to have apnea but that is not true. I am 5'9" and 175 and I have apnea. That's only 7 lbs overweight based on bmi. And I'm 27.

    Unfortunately treating my apnea hasn't resolved my symptoms, but your mileage may vary. At least I'm not falling asleep everywhere uncontrollably anymore.
    Before clomid you need take care off all the other issues which are out side of hormone other wise you are significantly decreasing your chances of success. I see it all the time from guys who have gone to the top HRT specialist when all they look at is the endocrine system never looking at the immune, neurological, lifestyle, psychological and now a huge component environmental factors. Once the other issues are identifed and addressed where they failed before they finally succeeded. Address the whole person not just 20-25% of the equation like typical medical professionals do. You want to get a huge return on your investment, but instead you are getting cheated..
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by ap0352 View Post
    Six months or so into it now and my latest total T came back 557. Endo said those results are awesome. I'd say much better but not "awesome".
    Now she wants me to get off the clomid and see if my body will maintain that level. Personally, I'd like my totals in the 650-750 range but I don't know if I'll ever see that even if I stay on clomid...
    Thoughts?
    Hate to burst your bubble but average T are between 400-700 levels provided all the other hormones, thyroid, gh issues are all in check.
    In your case I think its something out side hormones personally which is not being addressed. You are chasing the number scale. I have had Dr's reduce testosterone levels by some times a quarter of their dosages when other issues are properly addresss. They feel better less drugs less variables, and symptoms which TRT did not address started to clear up. Its not about more is better, but rather optimizing what you have from addressing the person as a whole and not just one system.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Mrmanguy84 View Post
    Sorry I don't have any answers for you, but I am considering clomid myself. I know you're not all the way better, but how do you feel compared to before treatment? Especially interested in depression and libido related symptoms. Thanks.

    Oh, I almost forgot. If the cause of your low T is still unclear, you might want to check out if you have sleep apnea or a varicocele. According to studies I've read correcting these conditions can improve T significantly.

    Most doctors will say you have to be middle-aged and fat to have apnea but that is not true. I am 5'9" and 175 and I have apnea. That's only 7 lbs overweight based on bmi. And I'm 27.

    Unfortunately treating my apnea hasn't resolved my symptoms, but your mileage may vary. At least I'm not falling asleep everywhere uncontrollably anymore.
    I actually do feel much better! I guess I'll get off the clomid and see what happens..

  8. Any updates?

  9. Still taking the clomid. Wanted to wait until I run out. Been taking about 25mg every 4th day. Kind of scared to get off..
    I'll update once I do..

  10. How are you feeling in the libido department? Thanks for the update.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Mrmanguy84 View Post
    How are you feeling in the libido department? Thanks for the update.
    I have been suggesting Dr that little bit of adex may be needed along with the clomid to help keep e2 in check which symptoms would be the determining factor along as using Labs as a diagnostic tool
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  12. I too am going through a Clomid restart. I was on 25mg day but felt crappy. I'm now on 12.5mg day, still feel a little tired but much better. I'm thinking of going to the 25mg every four day schedule.

    Are you still on 25mg E4D? Also, do you take it in the morning when you wake or at bedtime?

    Hope your doing well.

    Quote Originally Posted by ap0352 View Post
    Still taking the clomid. Wanted to wait until I run out. Been taking about 25mg every 4th day. Kind of scared to get off..
    I'll update once I do..

  13. I don't really have a set schedule. I usually just take it as soon as I remember about it that day..
  

  
 

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