New here-- 32--low test- high estrone advice

[slimchancejw]

ok been on a rollercoaster ride for 6-7 years now!
32 and been working out since 15
did otc supplemnets including, i think ,pro-hormones.
6 years ago i went to the doctoe to camplain about no motivation,anxiety, stress,etc.
he put me on zanax then i started drinking more going to the gym less.
then anti-deppressants and upped the dose always!
about 2 years ago i quit everything cold turkey including drinking and went through HELL for 3 weeks.
stop seeing that doctor and lost my insurance.
i gained alot of weight 200 to 265.
the last year i've lost 30#'s working out and riding road bike for endurance
235 and still feel lik ****.
my dad had a heart attack and i got scared couase i have alot of the same sympoms
went and got my blood work done and and added TT, cuase an older friend of mine said i looked like i was low test
so here are my results i could use alot of help PLEASE!
i read a ton and am so confused
i put **** next to flagged and what i thought was wacky.
i also have another test from 8-5-11 i will post
Result Range Units
date 7-14
Iron Bind.Cap.(TIBC)001347 294 250-450 ug/dL
UIBC001348 235 150-375 ug/dL
Iron Saturation011362 20 15-55 %

Urinalysis, Complete
Date Collected: 7/13/2011 8:30:00 AM

Test Description Result Range Units
Microscopic Examination012237 See below:
Urine-Color013045 Yellow Yellow
Appearance013052 Clear Clear
Specific Gravity013060 1.007 1.005-1.030
pH013078 7 5.0-7.5
Glucose013086 Negative Negative
Glucose Reflex013087
Protein013094 Negative Negative/Trace
Occult Blood013102 3+ Negative ************abnormal?
Bilirubin013104 Negative Negative
Urobilinogen,Semi-Qn013105 0.2 0.0-1.9 mg/dL
Nitrite, Urine013106 Negative Negative
Ketones013110 Negative Negative
WBC Esterase013185 Negative Negative
Microscopic Examination333336

Testosterone, Serum
Date Collected: 7/13/2011 8:30:00 AM

Test Description Result Range Units
Testosterone, Serum004227 283 249-836 ng/dL **************************next test shows 338

Prostate-Specific Ag, Serum
Date Collected: 7/13/2011 8:30:00 AM

Test Description Result Range Units
Prostate Specific Ag, Serum010334 0.5 0.0-4.0 ng/mL
Roche ECLIA methodology.
.
According to the American Urological Association, Serum PSA should
decrease and remain at undetectable levels after radical
prostatectomy. The AUA defines biochemical recurrence as an initial
PSA value 0.2 ng/mL or greater followed by a subsequent confirmatory
PSA value 0.2 ng/mL or greater.
Values obtained with different assay methods or kits cannot be used
interchangeably. Results cannot be interpreted as absolute evidence
of the presence or absence of malignant disease.


Hgb A1c with eAG Estimation
Date Collected: 7/13/2011 8:30:00 AM

Test Description Result Range Units
Hemoglobin A1c001464 5.8 4.8-5.6 % ********************High?
Increased risk for diabetes: 5.7 - 6.4
Diabetes: >6.4
Glycemic control for adults with diabetes: <7.0

Estim. Avg Glu (eAG)001471 120 mg/dL

CMP14+LP+5AC+CBC/D/Plt
Date Collected: 7/13/2011 8:30:00 AM

Test Description Result Range Units
Calcium, Serum001016 9.5 8.7-10.2 mg/dL
Phosphorus, Serum001024 3.2 2.5-4.5 mg/dL
Glucose, Serum001032 91 65-99 mg/dL ****************************** *******************seems high-next test 98
BUN001040 14 6-20 mg/dL
Uric Acid, Serum001057 7.1 3.7-8.6 mg/dL ****************************** ******next test shows 8.3
Therapeutic target for gout patients: <6.0

Cholesterol, Total001065 165 100-199 mg/dL
Protein, Total, Serum001073 7.2 6.0-8.5 g/dL
Albumin, Serum001081 4.6 3.5-5.5 g/dL
Bilirubin, Total001099 0.6 0.0-1.2 mg/dL
Alkaline Phosphatase, S001107 99 25-150 IU/L
LDH001115 164 0-225 IU/L
AST (SGOT)001123 21 0-40 IU/L
Triglycerides001172 91 0-149 mg/dL *******next test shows 153
Potassium, Serum001180 4.2 3.5-5.2 mmol/L
Sodium, Serum001198 139 135-145 mmol/L
Chloride, Serum001206 100 97-108 mmol/L
Iron, Serum001339 59 40-155 ug/dL
Creatinine, Serum001370 1.07 0.76-1.27 mg/dL
ALT (SGPT)001545 26 0-55 IU/L
Carbon Dioxide, Total001578 25 20-32 mmol/L
GGT001958 74 0-65 IU/L
WBC005025 5.5 4.0-10.5 x10E3/uL
RBC005033 4.98 4.10-5.60 x10E6/uL
Hemoglobin005041 14.6 12.5-17.0 g/dL
Hematocrit005058 43 36.0-50.0 %
BUN/Creatinine Ratio011577 13 8-19
HDL Cholesterol011817 40 >39 mg/dL *************************seems low
According to ATP-III Guidelines, HDL-C >59 mg/dL is considered a
negative risk factor for CHD.

LDL/HDL Ratio011849 2.7 0.0-3.6 ratio units
Estimated CHD Risk011858 0.7 0.0-1.0 times avg.
T. Chol/HDL Ratio
Men Women
1/2 Avg.Risk 3.4 3.3
Avg.Risk 5.0 4.4
2X Avg.Risk 9.6 7.1
3X Avg.Risk 23.4 11.0
.
The CHD Risk is based on the T. Chol/HDL ratio. Other
factors affect CHD Risk such as hypertension, smoking,
diabetes, severe obesity, and family history of pre-
mature CHD.

VLDL Cholesterol Cal011916 18 5-40 mg/dL
Globulin, Total012039 2.6 1.5-4.5 g/dL
A/G Ratio012047 1.8 1.1-2.5
LDL Cholesterol Calc012054 107 0-99 mg/dL *******high new test is 109
MCV015065 86 80-98 fL
MCH015073 29.3 27.0-34.0 pg
MCHC015081 34 32.0-36.0 g/dL
Neutrophils015107 61 40-74 %
Immature Granulocytes015108 1 0-2 %
Please note reference interval change

Lymphs015123 21 14-46 %
Monocytes015131 14 4-13 % **********************flagged
Eos015149 2 0-7 %
Basos015156 1 0-3 %
Platelets015172 180 140-415 x10E3/uL
Hematology Comments:015180
Neutrophils (Absolute)015909 3.4 1.8-7.8 x10E3/uL
Immature Grans (Abs)015911 0.1 0.0-0.1 x10E3/uL
Lymphs (Absolute)015917 1.1 0.7-4.5 x10E3/uL
Monocytes(Absolute)015925 0.7 0.1-1.0 x10E3/uL
Eos (Absolute)015933 0.1 0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL
Baso (Absolute)015941 0 0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL
NRBC015945
T. Chol/HDL Ratio100065 4.1 0.0-5.0 ratio units
eGFR If NonAfricn Am100791 91 >59 mL/min/1.73
eGFR If Africn Am100792 106 >59 mL/min/1.73
Note: A persistent eGFR <60 mL/min/1.73 m2 (3 months or more) may
indicate chronic kidney disease. An eGFR >59 mL/min/1.73 m2 with an
elevated urine protein also may indicate chronic kidney disease.
Calculated using CKD-EPI formula.

RDW105007 13.4 11.7-15.0 %
Immature Cells115398

Microscopic Examination
Date Collected: 7/13/2011 8:30:00 AM

Test Description Result Range Units
WBC013128 None seen 0 - 5 /hpf
RBC013136 None seen 0 - 3 /hpf
Casts013145
Crystals013146
Cast Type013147
Epithelial Cells (non renal)013148 None seen 0 - 10 /hpf
Epithelial Cells (renal)013149
Trichomonas013151
Crystal Type013152
Bacteria333344 None seen None seen/Few
Mucus Threads333351 Present Not Estab.
Yeast333419
Comment333420

i hope this is readable

new test form 8-5-11

Test Description Result Range Units
LH004290 3.8 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL
FSH004316 4.1 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL

CMP14+LP+5AC
Date Collected: 8/5/2011 8:49:00 AM

Test Description Result Range Units
Calcium, Serum001016 9.6 8.7-10.2 mg/dL
Phosphorus, Serum001024 2.7 2.5-4.5 mg/dL
Glucose, Serum001032 98 65-99 mg/dL ********************high?
BUN001040 14 6-20 mg/dL
Uric Acid, Serum001057 8.3 3.7-8.6 mg/dL ****************HIGH?
Therapeutic target for gout patients: <6.0

Cholesterol, Total001065 179 100-199 mg/dL
Protein, Total, Serum001073 7.3 6.0-8.5 g/dL
Albumin, Serum001081 4.5 3.5-5.5 g/dL
Bilirubin, Total001099 0.9 0.0-1.2 mg/dL
Alkaline Phosphatase, S001107 89 25-150 IU/L
LDH001115 198 0-225 IU/L
AST (SGOT)001123 41 0-40 IU/L ********************FLAGGED
Triglycerides001172 153 0-149 mg/dL *******************FLAGGED
Potassium, Serum001180 4.3 3.5-5.2 mmol/L
Sodium, Serum001198 139 135-145 mmol/L
Chloride, Serum001206 100 97-108 mmol/L
Iron, Serum001339 148 40-155 ug/dL ****************tripled since last test
Creatinine, Serum001370 0.99 0.76-1.27 mg/dL
ALT (SGPT)001545 36 0-55 IU/L
Carbon Dioxide, Total001578 26 20-32 mmol/L
GGT001958 60 0-65 IU/L
BUN/Creatinine Ratio011577 14 8-19
HDL Cholesterol011817 39 >39 mg/dL ***********has dropped since last test by 1
According to ATP-III Guidelines, HDL-C >59 mg/dL is considered a
negative risk factor for CHD.

LDL/HDL Ratio011849 2.8 0.0-3.6 ratio units
Estimated CHD Risk011858 0.9 0.0-1.0 times avg.
T. Chol/HDL Ratio
Men Women
1/2 Avg.Risk 3.4 3.3
Avg.Risk 5.0 4.4
2X Avg.Risk 9.6 7.1
3X Avg.Risk 23.4 11.0
.
The CHD Risk is based on the T. Chol/HDL ratio. Other
factors affect CHD Risk such as hypertension, smoking,
diabetes, severe obesity, and family history of pre-
mature CHD.

VLDL Cholesterol Cal011916 31 5-40 mg/dL
Globulin, Total012039 2.8 1.5-4.5 g/dL
A/G Ratio012047 1.6 1.1-2.5
LDL Cholesterol Calc012054 109 0-99 mg/dL **************high
T. Chol/HDL Ratio100065 4.6 0.0-5.0 ratio units
eGFR If NonAfricn Am100791 100 >59 mL/min/1.73
eGFR If Africn Am100792 116 >59 mL/min/1.73
Note: A persistent eGFR <60 mL/min/1.73 m2 (3 months or more) may
indicate chronic kidney disease. An eGFR >59 mL/min/1.73 m2 with an
elevated urine protein also may indicate chronic kidney disease.
Calculated using CKD-EPI formula.


TSH+PSA+TestT+T4F+DHEA S+Te...
Date Collected: 8/5/2011 8:49:00 AM

Test Description Result Range Units
Testosterone, Serum004227 338 249-836 ng/dL **************last test 283
TSH004264 3.08 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL
Estrone, Serum004564 90 12-72 pg/mL ***********I THINK EXTREMELY HIGH?
Male Female
0 - 5 years 18 - 53 19 - 46
6 - 7 years 17 - 48 17 - 44
8 - 9 years 20 - 54 31 - 70
10 - 11 years 21 - 49 28 - 68
12 - 14 years 17 - 44 57 - 140
Adult 12 - 72 See below
Female: Follicular Phase 37 - 138
Mid-cycle 60 - 229
Luteal Phase 50 - 114
Post Menopausal 14 - 103

DHEA-Sulfate004699 330.4 160.0-449.0 ug/dL
Prostate Specific Ag, Serum010334 0.7 0.0-4.0 ng/mL
Roche ECLIA methodology.
.
According to the American Urological Association, Serum PSA should
decrease and remain at undetectable levels after radical
prostatectomy. The AUA defines biochemical recurrence as an initial
PSA value 0.2 ng/mL or greater followed by a subsequent confirmatory
PSA value 0.2 ng/mL or greater.
Values obtained with different assay methods or kits cannot be used
interchangeably. Results cannot be interpreted as absolute evidence
of the presence or absence of malignant disease.

Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum010 389 3.8 2.0-4.4 pg/mL
T4,Free(Direct)019745 1.36 0.82-1.77 ng/dL
% Free Testosterone080770 4.21 1.50-4.20 % ********FLAGGED but don't understand
Testosterone,Free080796 14.23 5.00-21.00 ng/dL *i s this good?

sooo basically i know TT is low, lh and fsh seem sluggish,estrone is way up, my hdl and ldl are the same as my fathers at time of heart attack.
i know that low t kills hdl. now from my research i was thinking that if i can get the estorgen down then test levels and lh levels should rise on their own. uric acid is high and wondering if i should do anything there.
thanx for ur help, mike

[DragonRider]

Does diabetes run in your family?

[slimchancejw]

no but heart disease does.


i think i'm most worried about the high estrone. if i can block that maybe things will even out alittle better.
maybe dim or reversatrol?
i forgot to mention up top that i started taking a multi vitamen before the last lab on 8-5.
garden of life men's formula.

[The Matrix]

I would figure insulin resistance and need to know a hell of a lot more data to know which direction to go with these types of cases. I just love when people put up a barage of test with no other information. When making proper analysis of labs there has to be a plethora of information which needs to provided. Other wise as I have seen in the past people have been making recommendations which could potentially be very dangerous and completely leading them down the wrong pathway. High estrone I would be concerned when estradiol is also elevated. I think people tend to go with the most obvious, but when there are many things which need to be addressed before those. This is why people never get well because Drs specialize in one area where there needs to me more emphasis but on treating the whole person not just symptoms but also the cause. This is where I come in at.

[gymrat827]

I dont think you wana self-med here. Find a doc who has exp with TRT/HRT and see what he feels is the best route.


If you just had high E2 levels or estrogen a low dose AI would helpout but as mentioned, we dont want to steer you down the wrong path

[slimchancejw]

yes i absolutely agree on treating the cause!
i'm also hesitant on trusting doctors to do the right thing for the same fact.
so you guys think this won't get better with time or with change in diet/ vitamins?
diet has also been very clean last 2 years with tons of farmers market [fruits and veggs] and lean meat. no processed ****. light wheat bread. oats.

can you elaborate on this "plethora of information" ,please, cause i have no ins., self employed, and these $300 lab visits are killing me!
don't forget i'm only 32 and not really looking to replace any hormones if at all possible.
thanks.

[v4lu3s]

are you going to private med labs and using teh 15% discount for your lab work?

[The Matrix]

are you going to private med labs and using teh 15% discount for your lab work?

Having all this data is one thing, but knowing what to do is another..I can probably get this all figured out with in a few week span. When I am talking about information I am talking about medical background, history, lifestyles, ect. I am not a Dr, but I am the person that dr's turn too when they are running out of options or stuck on a complex case. I have a very good reputations cutting through the BS to get the desired results.

[slimchancejw]

yes you do, have a good rep, and so do alot of people here, that's why i joined here.
what do i do next?
get more labs?
see a doc?
post more info? if so what?
maybe wait a couple weeks to a months and check levels again?
matrix do you have a fee?

[slimchancejw]

are you going to private med labs and using teh 15% discount for your lab work?

oh ****!
i just spent $200 then $300 for tests that cost 150 on the site you quoted! thnaks though i will use in the future!

[DragonRider]

are you going to private med labs and using teh 15% discount for your lab work?

Wait, I've been using these guys for about 3 or 4 years, I didn't know about a discount.

[The Matrix]

yes you do, have a good rep, and so do alot of people here, that's why i joined here.
what do i do next?
get more labs?
see a doc?
post more info? if so what?
maybe wait a couple weeks to a months and check levels again?
matrix do you have a fee?

Pm me...

[v4lu3s]

Wait, I've been using these guys for about 3 or 4 years, I didn't know about a discount.

every email i get from them has a code for a 15% discount.

[DragonRider]

every email i get from them has a code for a 15% discount.

Now I'm pissed. The only emails I get from them are to inform me that my order is ready. I just checked to confirm. Never had an offer for a discount and I've spent some money there over the years. Some guys get all of the breaks.


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