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    Should I be using an AI or nolvadex?


    I'm on TRT and at my last labs my T level was 1,100. The doc wasn't concerned because it could have been injection timing and my Hematocrit was still "ok". He did say, however, estradiol was high but that was expected due to my T level.

    My question is whether or not I should be trying to get the estradiol level down??? He is NOT that knowledgable about TRT and only seems to know about "applying" test and that's it.

    What do you think?? Use an AI??? Nolvadex??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Presa View Post
    I'm on TRT and at my last labs my T level was 1,100. The doc wasn't concerned because it could have been injection timing and my Hematocrit was still "ok". He did say, however, estradiol was high but that was expected due to my T level.

    My question is whether or not I should be trying to get the estradiol level down??? He is NOT that knowledgable about TRT and only seems to know about "applying" test and that's it.

    What do you think?? Use an AI??? Nolvadex??
    not trying to be combative here but havent you been on trt for like 5 years? i know you've been on for quite some time so id have to say with your questioning that neither you nor your dr are knowledgable when it comes to trt. again please dont take offense but thats a question that someone who is just starting out should be asking(referring to ai). and nolva as an ai? i dont know man, you should be more well versed in what you are putting in your body and why. with that being said.

    without any number or range to go with your high e2 reading its hard to say. it seems that getting your e2 in check is the hardest part of trt or at least takes the most time to dial in. personally i use aromasin every 4th day @12.5mg while on trt dosing. if i up the test for a cycle i go eod. aromasin imo is the best ai. read up on it and you'll prolly agree. i also agree 1100 is fine as long as no sides are present. i dont get wrapped up in the number but go by feel. my t levels are always in the range of 900-1300 depending on when bw is drawn. a little high? i guess but i feel good and have no sides other than some minor acne. i originally was testing in the 500-800 range but really didnt feel much better than b4 i started trt so i upped it some and went too high then backed down a bit and found my likable spot. that was about six months of trial and error but well worth it.

    good luck gettin straightend out. high e2 sucks. and at times when i forget to take a dose it doesnt take long for the sides to come out. i get very very short fused and angry. my wife kindly reminds me to take my ai
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    I've got a hold of some omnadren 250(is sustanon better?) and I'm pretty much clueless about steroids. All i know about it is that it easily aromatizes and it holds alot of water
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    Hahaha, thanks for not being combative; I think?? LOL. Anyway, you are fortunate to have a doc that is versed in TRT. Most do not if you know this board and learning on your own is difficult with so much misinformation out there. That's why I asked and appreciate your info. Yes I have been on since 2006. I'm in the 190's and suck without it. And in a heart attack in 2010 and doctors get nervous about raising my Hemat.

    I'll look into Arom., if he will go for it. Thanks.
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    I have found when taking synthetics that there is a margin of 200-300 difference from our own natural testosterone. When a person on clomid may only need to be in the 500-700 to feel good because its their own production.Get blood tested then recalibrate your aromasin dosage.
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    Here is my Take about Estradiol E2 I have been at this many yrs been on TRT over 30 yrs and after a time I got some bad ED, could not reach an Orgasm, had a lot of Anxiety even Panic Attacks and BPH for about 10 yrs. I lost my sex life needed to use a penis pump and ring to keep my wife happy. I started TRT in my late 30's by age 50 I lost my sex life and it was very high Estradiol E2 levels. The long and short of all this is when I got this back down after trying every thing you could think of. Arimidex worked to get this down. I took my being on .5 mgs everyday for 8 weeks to get levels down from >90 to 20 pg/ml the first thing to come back was. These involuntary nocturnal erections that appear during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep I call this morning wood.

    Then my ED was better but the worry about it staying up for sex would kill it at the time Cialis 20 mgs came out so my Dr. told me take this every 3 days it will help with this problem and you don't need to wait for a pill to work and it will help keep your BP down. This worked great so all was good for a time until the Arimidex started to let E2 rebound on me I could take 1 mg. in the morning and be to high by bedtime the longer I was on Arimidex the worse it got. And I gage my E2 levels by my morning wood if I don't feel I had it before I get out of bed I will check and see if I can get it up fast and it's good and hard. So if I drive my E2 down to low I can't get it up taking a pill so I stop Arimidex. If I can get it up but it takes longer and it's not a good one I know I am going to high on E2 and I would take more Arimidex.

    I have yet to find a way to take Arimidex the same dose and keep my E2 in the best level. So now I take Aromasin and I find cutting up this small pill is a waste of time I do great taking the 25 mgs every 2 to 3 days it is the best med I ever tired for keeping E2 in check.

    If one is on Clomid or any kind of SERM med you can't test Estradiol less your off it a good 4 to 6 weeks your labs will not be any good. I know men that were not able to jump start them selfs that do 12.5 mgs of Clomid every day to every 3 days one guy in the UK his levels went up to 14 nmol/L top of range is 9.7 so he is cutting back to 12.5 mgs of clomid ever 3 days from everyday. And gaging his E2 levels by his morning wood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmgamer18 View Post
    Here is my Take about Estradiol E2 I have been at this many yrs been on TRT over 30 yrs and after a time I got some bad ED, could not reach an Orgasm, had a lot of Anxiety even Panic Attacks and BPH for about 10 yrs. I lost my sex life needed to use a penis pump and ring to keep my wife happy. I started TRT in my late 30's by age 50 I lost my sex life and it was very high Estradiol E2 levels. The long and short of all this is when I got this back down after trying every thing you could think of. Arimidex worked to get this down. I took my being on .5 mgs everyday for 8 weeks to get levels down from >90 to 20 pg/ml the first thing to come back was. These involuntary nocturnal erections that appear during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep I call this morning wood.

    Then my ED was better but the worry about it staying up for sex would kill it at the time Cialis 20 mgs came out so my Dr. told me take this every 3 days it will help with this problem and you don't need to wait for a pill to work and it will help keep your BP down. This worked great so all was good for a time until the Arimidex started to let E2 rebound on me I could take 1 mg. in the morning and be to high by bedtime the longer I was on Arimidex the worse it got. And I gage my E2 levels by my morning wood if I don't feel I had it before I get out of bed I will check and see if I can get it up fast and it's good and hard. So if I drive my E2 down to low I can't get it up taking a pill so I stop Arimidex. If I can get it up but it takes longer and it's not a good one I know I am going to high on E2 and I would take more Arimidex.

    I have yet to find a way to take Arimidex the same dose and keep my E2 in the best level. So now I take Aromasin and I find cutting up this small pill is a waste of time I do great taking the 25 mgs every 2 to 3 days it is the best med I ever tired for keeping E2 in check.

    If one is on Clomid or any kind of SERM med you can't test Estradiol less your off it a good 4 to 6 weeks your labs will not be any good. I know men that were not able to jump start them selfs that do 12.5 mgs of Clomid every day to every 3 days one guy in the UK his levels went up to 14 nmol/L top of range is 9.7 so he is cutting back to 12.5 mgs of clomid ever 3 days from everyday. And gaging his E2 levels by his morning wood.
    aromasin>adex
    Noob looking for alot of guidance
    I've got a hold of some omnadren 250(is sustanon better?) and I'm pretty much clueless about steroids. All i know about it is that it easily aromatizes and it holds alot of water
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    If your going to try an AI try Aromasin first I feel much better on this but make sure you can tell if your driving your E2 down to low like I said I gage this by my wood if it stops and I can't get it up I know I am very low on E2 and I stop the AI until my wood comes back the morning it dose I go back on it but take less I would cut back on the dose or spread out the days I take going from every 2 days to every 3 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Presa View Post
    I'm on TRT and at my last labs my T level was 1,100. The doc wasn't concerned because it could have been injection timing and my Hematocrit was still "ok". He did say, however, estradiol was high but that was expected due to my T level. What do you think?? Use an AI??? Nolvadex??
    1. What was the specific estradiol reading?
    2. Are you having any negative symptoms or problems associated with high estrogen? If not, then why fix what isn't broken?
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    Get tested first before guessing you have high e2 because it could be something totally different causing symptoms
  

  
 

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