Where Have I Been & Where Am I Going? (6+ Months of Data)

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Hello,
I'd be interested in any feedback on all of this information. I was trying to be thorough. Now, I feel like I've gone overboard putting all of this in a post. So, sorry for overwhelm.

A little about me: 40 y.o. white male. 5'10, generally moving between 175 and 185 lbs. Probably moderate in fitness (cardio) and diet. Tried several different times over the years to put on muscle, but always very challenging (impossible), even using personal trainers, the right diet, etc, etc. Felt generally run down for several years; low libido; doc would find nothing, but very conservative doc who I stayed with too long. Eventually, I ordered my own sleep study, which came back with apnea diagnosis (see below). Continued to feel run down and looked into HRT in 2010. In hindsight, not sure I approached it all very wisely... not much mental energy and concentration to think at that point.

As I look back at the baseline data, I do wonder about the low-normal LH and FSH, meaningful? And I'm not sure we ever really followed up on cortisol issues (saliva panel below).

Working with HRT doc, was put on compounded T Gel, HcG, Arimidex (low dose 1x/week) and Vitamin D (I avoid sun exposure due to over exposure in my youth). Unfortunately, my record keeping of dose, schedule, etc wasn't good during this initial period. My T scores actually dropped in the first two months; T Gel dose raised after the even lower T levels came back from the lab. Things seemed to stay the same and really get worse, energy and mood wise on this treatment.

Then, moved to T Cyp 200 mg/week in June. I'd read enough negative things about T Gel at this point that I told doc I wanted a change and would do my own IM injections. Taking all that T Cyp at once made me feel high, buzzed, anxious... and probably put on ~10 to 15 lbs very rapidly. T levels way up and Free T off the chart, estradiol levels much higher than baseline. Was moved down to 150 mg/week. Moved myself to twice weekly injections split in half, based on what I've read here (made that adjustment a week ago). Not sure about the twice weekly injections split in half, now feel too low. Figure that balance will come in time.

My general questions are: What to look for and investigate? What to do next? What's missing? What deeper issues might exist? I know I've learned a lot by seeing other people's results and reading the ensuing dialogue. So, hope to learn something and help others by throwing this out there.

Thanks for any thoughts or insights.


All blood work is LabCorp, with blood drawn between 8:30am and 9:15am.


Test
Reference Interval
Units

Dec-10

Mar-11

May-11

Jun-11

Jun-11
Comp T GelComp T Gel
BaselineHcGHcGTrough
T Cyp
Peak
T Cyp
118 Hrs Post Injection31 Hrs Post Injection
TSH+T4F+T3Free
TSH0.450 - 4.500uIU/mL2.952.54
Triiodothyronine, Free, Serum2.0 - 4.4pg/mL2.93.4
T4, Free (Direct)0.82 - 1.77ng/dL1.11.01
CBC with Differential/Platelet
WBC4.0 - 10.5x10E3/uL8.36.48.38.7
RBC4.10 - 5.60x10E6/uL5.175.595.65.4
Hemoglobin12.5 - 17.0g/dL16.217.417.316.5
Hematorcrit36.0 - 50.0%47.951.749.347.5
MCV80 - 98fL93938888
MCH27.0 - 34.0pg31.331.130.930.6
MCHC32.0 - 36.0g/dL33.833.735.134.7
RDW11.7 - 15.0%13.413.113.513.5
Platelelets140 - 415x10E3/uL265259277250
Neutrophils40 - 74%58575460
Lymphs14 - 46%34343730
Monocytes4.0 - 13.0%6778
Eos0 - 7%2222
Basos0 - 3%0000
Neutrophils (Absolute)1.8 - 7.8x10E3/uL4.73.74.45.5
Lymphs (Absolute)0.7 - 4.5x10E3/uL2.82.23.12.6
Monocytes (Absolute)0.1 - 1.0x10E3/uL0.50.40.60.7
Eos (Absolute)0.0 - 0.4x10E3/uL0.20.10.20.2
Baso (Absolute)0.0 - 0.2x10E3/uL0000
Immature Granulocytes0 - 1%0000
Immature Grans (Abs)0.0 - 0.1x10E3/uL0000
Comp. Metabolic Panel
Glucose, Serum65 - 99mg/dL9598
BUN6.0 - 20.0mg/dL1715
Creatinine, Serum0.76 - 1.27mg/dL1.020.96
eGFR>59mL/min/1.73>5998
BUN/Creatinine Ratio8.0 - 27.01716
Sodium, Serum135 - 145nmol/L138138
Potassium, Serum3.5 - 5.2nmol/L4.43.9
Chloride, Serum97 - 108nmol/L10099
Carbon Dioxide, Total20 - 32nmol/L2227
Calcium, Serum8.7 - 10.2mg/dL99.4
Protein, Total, Serum6.0 - 8.5g/dL6.97.16.76.9
Albumin, Serum3.5 - 5.5g/dL4.34.34.34.3
Globulin, Total1.5 - 4.5g/dL2.62.6
A/G Ratio1.1 - 2.51.71.7
Bilirubin, Total0.0 - 1.2mg/dL0.40.60.60.6
Bilirubin, Direct0.00 - 0.40mg/dL0.160.14
Alkaline, Phosphatase, S25 - 150IU/L85749086
AST (SGOT)0 - 40IU/L29252721
ALT (SGPT)0 - 55IU/L60503736
Lipid Panel
Cholesterol, Total100 - 199mg/dL219212206
Triglycerides0 - 149mg/dL128145125
HDL Cholesterol>39mg/dL444149
VLDL Cholesterol Cal5.0 - 40.0mg/dL262925
LDL Cholesterol Calc0 - 99mg/dL149142132
FSH and LH
LH1.7 - 8.6mIU/mL2.2
FSH1.5 - 12.4mIU/mL2.2
Testosterone, Free and Total
Testosterone, Serum249 - 836ng/dL31016630813491460
Free Testosterone (Direct)8.7 - 25.1pg/mL9.33.87.3>55>55
Bioavailable T (Calculated on ISSAM site)ng/dL1831079
Bioavailable T (Calculated on ISSAM site)%59.273.9
Free Test. (Calculated on ISSAM site)ng/dL7.8246
Free Test. (Calculated on ISSAM site)%2.523.15
Other/Misc.
Pregnenolone, MS<151ng/dL314069
DHEA-Sulfate88.9 - 427.0ug/dL220241385
Prostate-Specific Ag, Serum0.0 - 4.0ng/mL0.91.1
IGF-1109 - 284ng/mL158142210315
Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy32.0 - 100.0ng/mL21.841.3
Lipoprotein (a)0 - 30mg/dL2
C-Reactive Protein, Cardiac0.00 - 3.00mg/L1.97
Estradiol, Sensitive3.0 - 70.0pg/mL1914186666
Estradiol7.6 - 42.6pg/mL73.9
Homocysteine, Plasma0.0 - 15.0umol/L10.6
Insulin0.0 - 24.9uIU/mL15
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, Serum14.5 - 48.4nmol/L20.721.9
Magnesium, Serum1.6 - 2.6mg/dL2.2
Saliva (Genova Diagnostics)
Cortisol 7am to 9am0.27 - 1.18mcg/dL0.16
Cortisol 11am to 1pm0.10 to 0.41mcg/dL0.24
Cortisol 3pm to 5pm0.05 to 0.27mcg/dL0.2
Cortisol 10pm to 12am0.03 to 0.14mcg/dL< 0.03
DHEA 7am to 9am71 to 640pg/mL155
DHEA : Cortisol Ratio/10,000115 to 1188969



Other Medical Diagnostics:

Sleep Apnea: Severe, 30+ events per hour. Never oxygen deprived, but very disturbed sleep architecture. No snoring. Turned out throat was obstructed by tonsils and tongue, which were out of proportion to my throat. Had surgery in 2009 to correct; sleep had seemed of poor quality for many years. Follow-up in 2011 showed reduction to moderate sleep apnea but revealed frequent pre-ventricular contractions.

Frequent Heart Arrhythmias: ~500 pre-ventricular contractions detected in one 24 hr period; heart checked by echocardiogram and nuclear stress test. Overall was normal. Achieved 95% max heart rate on treadmill, which ended test. Ejection fraction at high end of normal range. Cardiologist concluded heart is overall healthy and no issues. This was recently, in 2011; I had felt arrhythmias for many years and doctors previously disregarded during routine check-ups.

Blood Pressure: In the pre-hypertensive range for many years; rarely over, rarely under.
 
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E2 is elevated but high your Testostrone is too damn high !!Bring your T down then e2 will come down. 200 mgs a week is too much more general purpose. Majority of the people if they get there hormones balance probably will not needs an AI. IF they do the next reason is to find out why. Then if correcting that does not work then goto an AI. You will have your answers with in 6-8 weeks if AI will be needed. Majority of people I have worked with manipulating e2 through recommending Dr use diffferent approach along with some simple modifications dietary and supplementally can work wonders. REgulating vitamin D many modulate e2 as well in some people. Other then that I would need a whole slew of information in order to know where to go next with a case such as this.

Hello,
I'd be interested in any feedback on all of this information. I was trying to be thorough. Now, I feel like I've gone overboard putting all of this in a post. So, sorry for overwhelm.

A little about me: 40 y.o. white male. 5'10, generally moving between 175 and 185 lbs. Probably moderate in fitness (cardio) and diet. Tried several different times over the years to put on muscle, but always very challenging (impossible), even using personal trainers, the right diet, etc, etc. Felt generally run down for several years; low libido; doc would find nothing, but very conservative doc who I stayed with too long. Eventually, I ordered my own sleep study, which came back with apnea diagnosis (see below). Continued to feel run down and looked into HRT in 2010. In hindsight, not sure I approached it all very wisely... not much mental energy and concentration to think at that point.

As I look back at the baseline data, I do wonder about the low-normal LH and FSH, meaningful? And I'm not sure we ever really followed up on cortisol issues (saliva panel below).

Working with HRT doc, was put on compounded T Gel, HcG, Arimidex (low dose 1x/week) and Vitamin D (I avoid sun exposure due to over exposure in my youth). Unfortunately, my record keeping of dose, schedule, etc wasn't good during this initial period. My T scores actually dropped in the first two months; T Gel dose raised after the even lower T levels came back from the lab. Things seemed to stay the same and really get worse, energy and mood wise on this treatment.

Then, moved to T Cyp 200 mg/week in June. I'd read enough negative things about T Gel at this point that I told doc I wanted a change and would do my own IM injections. Taking all that T Cyp at once made me feel high, buzzed, anxious... and probably put on ~10 to 15 lbs very rapidly. T levels way up and Free T off the chart, estradiol levels much higher than baseline. Was moved down to 150 mg/week. Moved myself to twice weekly injections split in half, based on what I've read here (made that adjustment a week ago). Not sure about the twice weekly injections split in half, now feel too low. Figure that balance will come in time.

My general questions are: What to look for and investigate? What to do next? What's missing? What deeper issues might exist? I know I've learned a lot by seeing other people's results and reading the ensuing dialogue. So, hope to learn something and help others by throwing this out there.

Thanks for any thoughts or insights.


All blood work is LabCorp, with blood drawn between 8:30am and 9:15am.


Test
Reference Interval
Units

Dec-10

Mar-11

May-11

Jun-11

Jun-11
Comp T GelComp T Gel
BaselineHcGHcGTrough
T Cyp
Peak
T Cyp
118 Hrs Post Injection31 Hrs Post Injection
TSH+T4F+T3Free
TSH0.450 - 4.500uIU/mL2.952.54
Triiodothyronine, Free, Serum2.0 - 4.4pg/mL2.93.4
T4, Free (Direct)0.82 - 1.77ng/dL1.11.01
CBC with Differential/Platelet
WBC4.0 - 10.5x10E3/uL8.36.48.38.7
RBC4.10 - 5.60x10E6/uL5.175.595.65.4
Hemoglobin12.5 - 17.0g/dL16.217.417.316.5
Hematorcrit36.0 - 50.0%47.951.749.347.5
MCV80 - 98fL93938888
MCH27.0 - 34.0pg31.331.130.930.6
MCHC32.0 - 36.0g/dL33.833.735.134.7
RDW11.7 - 15.0%13.413.113.513.5
Platelelets140 - 415x10E3/uL265259277250
Neutrophils40 - 74%58575460
Lymphs14 - 46%34343730
Monocytes4.0 - 13.0%6778
Eos0 - 7%2222
Basos0 - 3%0000
Neutrophils (Absolute)1.8 - 7.8x10E3/uL4.73.74.45.5
Lymphs (Absolute)0.7 - 4.5x10E3/uL2.82.23.12.6
Monocytes (Absolute)0.1 - 1.0x10E3/uL0.50.40.60.7
Eos (Absolute)0.0 - 0.4x10E3/uL0.20.10.20.2
Baso (Absolute)0.0 - 0.2x10E3/uL0000
Immature Granulocytes0 - 1%0000
Immature Grans (Abs)0.0 - 0.1x10E3/uL0000
Comp. Metabolic Panel
Glucose, Serum65 - 99mg/dL9598
BUN6.0 - 20.0mg/dL1715
Creatinine, Serum0.76 - 1.27mg/dL1.020.96
eGFR>59mL/min/1.73>5998
BUN/Creatinine Ratio8.0 - 27.01716
Sodium, Serum135 - 145nmol/L138138
Potassium, Serum3.5 - 5.2nmol/L4.43.9
Chloride, Serum97 - 108nmol/L10099
Carbon Dioxide, Total20 - 32nmol/L2227
Calcium, Serum8.7 - 10.2mg/dL99.4
Protein, Total, Serum6.0 - 8.5g/dL6.97.16.76.9
Albumin, Serum3.5 - 5.5g/dL4.34.34.34.3
Globulin, Total1.5 - 4.5g/dL2.62.6
A/G Ratio1.1 - 2.51.71.7
Bilirubin, Total0.0 - 1.2mg/dL0.40.60.60.6
Bilirubin, Direct0.00 - 0.40mg/dL0.160.14
Alkaline, Phosphatase, S25 - 150IU/L85749086
AST (SGOT)0 - 40IU/L29252721
ALT (SGPT)0 - 55IU/L60503736
Lipid Panel
Cholesterol, Total100 - 199mg/dL219212206
Triglycerides0 - 149mg/dL128145125
HDL Cholesterol>39mg/dL444149
VLDL Cholesterol Cal5.0 - 40.0mg/dL262925
LDL Cholesterol Calc0 - 99mg/dL149142132
FSH and LH
LH1.7 - 8.6mIU/mL2.2
FSH1.5 - 12.4mIU/mL2.2
Testosterone, Free and Total
Testosterone, Serum249 - 836ng/dL31016630813491460
Free Testosterone (Direct)8.7 - 25.1pg/mL9.33.87.3>55>55
Bioavailable T (Calculated on ISSAM site)ng/dL1831079
Bioavailable T (Calculated on ISSAM site)%59.273.9
Free Test. (Calculated on ISSAM site)ng/dL7.8246
Free Test. (Calculated on ISSAM site)%2.523.15
Other/Misc.
Pregnenolone, MS<151ng/dL314069
DHEA-Sulfate88.9 - 427.0ug/dL220241385
Prostate-Specific Ag, Serum0.0 - 4.0ng/mL0.91.1
IGF-1109 - 284ng/mL158142210315
Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy32.0 - 100.0ng/mL21.841.3
Lipoprotein (a)0 - 30mg/dL2
C-Reactive Protein, Cardiac0.00 - 3.00mg/L1.97
Estradiol, Sensitive3.0 - 70.0pg/mL1914186666
Estradiol7.6 - 42.6pg/mL73.9
Homocysteine, Plasma0.0 - 15.0umol/L10.6
Insulin0.0 - 24.9uIU/mL15
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, Serum14.5 - 48.4nmol/L20.721.9
Magnesium, Serum1.6 - 2.6mg/dL2.2
Saliva (Genova Diagnostics)
Cortisol 7am to 9am0.27 - 1.18mcg/dL0.16
Cortisol 11am to 1pm0.10 to 0.41mcg/dL0.24
Cortisol 3pm to 5pm0.05 to 0.27mcg/dL0.2
Cortisol 10pm to 12am0.03 to 0.14mcg/dL< 0.03
DHEA 7am to 9am71 to 640pg/mL155
DHEA : Cortisol Ratio/10,000115 to 1188969




Other Medical Diagnostics:

Sleep Apnea: Severe, 30+ events per hour. Never oxygen deprived, but very disturbed sleep architecture. No snoring. Turned out throat was obstructed by tonsils and tongue, which were out of proportion to my throat. Had surgery in 2009 to correct; sleep had seemed of poor quality for many years. Follow-up in 2011 showed reduction to moderate sleep apnea but revealed frequent pre-ventricular contractions.

Frequent Heart Arrhythmias: ~500 pre-ventricular contractions detected in one 24 hr period; heart checked by echocardiogram and nuclear stress test. Overall was normal. Achieved 95% max heart rate on treadmill, which ended test. Ejection fraction at high end of normal range. Cardiologist concluded heart is overall healthy and no issues. This was recently, in 2011; I had felt arrhythmias for many years and doctors previously disregarded during routine check-ups.

Blood Pressure: In the pre-hypertensive range for many years; rarely over, rarely under.
 

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E2 is elevated but high your Testostrone is too damn high !!Bring your T down then e2 will come down.
There you go. More is definately not better when it comes to TRT. Most men will do quite well at 100mg per week. 150mg should be the most anyone should do. I've done both and I've done more. It never made me feel any better.
It's so much easier to manage estrogen at lower levels and if estrogen is under control, most men will experience zero side effects.
 
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There you go. More is definately not better when it comes to TRT. Most men will do quite well at 100mg per week. 150mg should be the most anyone should do. I've done both and I've done more. It never made me feel any better.
It's so much easier to manage estrogen at lower levels and if estrogen is under control, most men will experience zero side effects.
Common sense is a very powerful tool which many health professionals lack.
 

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