Zinc fixed me???
- 06-29-2011, 05:12 PM
Zinc fixed me???
Well recently I started taking 50 mg zinc a day and I have more energy and can think clearer for the last couple of months I had brain fog lack of energy low semen volume.I also gained weight especially in the stomach area.From eating good I was 6'1 212 i'm now 200 pounds due to walking I tried the zinc at first and it made my erections harder but it stopped working the next day.That's when I was at 212 but when I lost those 12 pounds ,bellyfa and tried it again my energy came back brain fog went away and I finally felt normal again and I got morning wood for the first time in years.How could zinc do that .
- 06-29-2011, 08:17 PM
Zinc is important for estrogen regulation and test production. Could be that you were deficient for years and are now getting caught up on levels. Dr. Crisler mentioned treating male patients with zinc to lower estrogen levels.
06-30-2011, 10:30 AM
As bioman mentioned it only works if you are clinically deficient other wise it can cause depletion of copper which will cause imbalances in your immune system which can be unpleasant. The form used should be zinc picolonate due to its higher bio availability. With many of my clients and autistic case I use a TD zinc due to increased absorption. I keep harping on how important in finding the reasons why your levels are low, but dr's are too lazy to look for it. Some cases I have dealt with when it came to low T and root causes found would blow your mind.
06-30-2011, 10:47 AM
Yes like Boman says Zinc helps to keep Estradiol levels down in some men it's so high Zinc does nothing but still we need it we don't get the Zinc from the corn fed meat we eat. But and this is a big But taking Zinc will lower your Copper levels so add in some Copper 2 mgs / day for every 50 mgs you take. I use to take Zinc 50 mgs with 2 mgs or Copper in it. Doing this did not work to keep my Copper levels up you can't talk both at the same time. So now I do ZMA at badtime and 2 mgs of Copper at Noon.
What happens is Zinc is great for a man's testis they need it to work better and it will lower your Estraidol if your not very high. The first time you tired it and got Rem Sleep wood back then lost it again. What happens is Estradiol rebounds very fast on use. So then your lost weight and when you lose weight you lose Aromatase this is what converts your Testosterone into Estradiol so less weight loss Aromatase and less Estradiol. Getting Rem Sleep wood means your at your best levels for Estradiol 20 pg/ ml for most men with a mid range of SHBG. As we have lower SHBG we need to keep Estraidol lower my SHBG is 20 I have good Rem Sleep wood at levels of Estradiol between 15 to 20. High Estradiol will kill your sex life give you ED, Brain Fog, Fatigue, mess with your Thyroid and can give you bad Anxiety even Panic Attacks, sore and Hard Nipples, Gyno and even stop you from reaching an orgasm.
Dr.'s don't know about this and will not check Estradiol let alone give meds to lower it like Arimidex or Aromasin so I tell me that have feelings of high Estraidol to take Zinc/Copper and to try Indolplex DIM.
Here is a copy of a file I made about DIM.
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ALL ABOUT DIM.
Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose not get killed in your stomach when you take it.
Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men.
in this link it's full of links about it.
If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps to keep it from getting killed in your stomach.
The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM.
How to take Indolplex/DIM take one tablet 120 mgs at dinner time it can take 2 weeks to 2 months to get your Estradiol levels down it’s all about how high you are in your levels. What you need to do is get
this down to about 20 pg/ml. When you get this low your night time and morning wood will come back so strong it will wake you up this means most of the time your at your best levels or what I call the sweet spot. Keep taking the DIM but if your wood stops your going down to low so just stop taking it. The day your wood comes back go back on the DIM but cut the tablet in half. If your Testosterone was tested and low but your not on TRT get it tested again you might find your levels came up some 200 to 300 points.
Here is a cut and paste why Dr. John feels we need to take TMG with DIM.
I have seen several studies which showed that while DIM improves the 2-OHE/16-a-OHE ratio, it also increases the bad 4-OHE. TMG, or its child DMG (although TMG is much better because it has already donated a valuable methyl group by the time it becomes DMG) will help flush the 4-OHE downstream.
Taking TMG/DMG is important on its own, even in absence of DIM supplementation. But I would not take DIM without it.
The following is what Dr. Marianco says about lowing E2 with DIM and other things.
My interpretation of the above articles is that:
1. DIM blocks DHT from binding to androgen-receptors in the Prostate. This is a good thing - it reduces the risk of prostate cancer from testosterone replacement therapy.
2. DIM does not stop the production of DHT. For DIM to do so, it has to inhibit the reductase enzyme that converts testosterone to DHT. The articles do not indicate that this is occurring.
In regard to how DIM works, it blocks certain Cytochrome P450 enzymes in the liver which convert Estrogens to more proliferative, cancerous types of estrogens. This forces the liver to use other pathways, which convert estrogens to non-proliferative, safer, and less potent estrogens. Thus, overall estrogen activity is reduced by DIM.
Arimidex blocks the aromatase enzyme that converts testosterone to estrogens, thus lowering the production of estrogens and thus lowering estrogen activity. There are other substances which also block the aromatase enzyme - including 6-OXO (an over-the-counter supplement), Aromasin, etc..
Which do you want to use? Either choice is valid. It will depend on the individual's response, how easy it is to control estrogen activity, cost, etc.
1. Arimidex is by prescription and is very expensive.
2. 6-OXO is over-the-counter, but dosing guidelines are not clear.
3. DIM is over-the-counter, is relatively expensive for what you get. There are pitfalls - such as "DIM-complex" - which water down the DIM concentration by adding additives.
4. Broccoli and I3C - both precursors to DIM can be used. But they require you to avoid antacids, needing acidity in the stomach to break them down and create DIM.
In any case, you will have to monitor your estrogen levels via blood testing to determine how much of each you want to use.
Any statement I make on this site is for educational purposes only and will change as medical knowledge progresses. It does not constitute medical advice, does not substitute for proper medical evaluation from physician, does not create a doctor/patient relationship or liability. If you would like medical advice, please ask your doctor. Thank you.
Lets call this part 1 in part 2 I will post a file about taking Arimidex and not going to low on it.
06-30-2011, 10:48 AM
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How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.
What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs.
The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it.
Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.
I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up.
I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days.
So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.
I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need .25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.
So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel.
Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.
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10-20-2011, 03:53 PM
While you guys are talking about DIM, I hear its pretty healthy stuff for other non estrogen reasons. Think I should mix a little Olive oile with my Broccolli to enhance absorption?
10-20-2011, 06:11 PM
I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
10-21-2011, 04:19 PM
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