Dead penis and TRT... Anyone else have these problems?
- 06-19-2011, 11:06 PM
Dead penis and TRT... Anyone else have these problems?
I'm afraid my E2 levels are a bit high. I'm sweating a bit, pimpled out on my chest/back, and having trouble getting interested in sex and maintaining an erection. The motivation is present in the absence of poon-tang, but i just might as well watch TV when I'm all stripped down and ready to go. Protocol as follows:
150mg test cyp per week, eod subq dosage of .2 mg (200mg/ml)
.25 adex eod
250mg HCG eod
There was a sweet spot when I was ramping up the test, about 3 weeks of sexual splendor. Good erections and horny as f!#@. Have any of you experienced this effect?
I just started tetracycline at 500 mg 2xd, for five days, then continuing use of topical clindamycin/benzoyl peroxide solution in the morning and retin-a at night. I've read mixed reviews of the effects of tetra on test levels, that's why I'm including this information. My libido started tanking about 2 days after tetracycline began. Any affects from this, possibly?
Just ordered a blood panel, will post results back when complete.
- 06-19-2011, 11:44 PM
I'm on 100mg of test per week. Little acne on my face left nip sore. No Ed probs Im on e-control 3 caps aday. Been on trt since April
- 06-20-2011, 08:58 AM
You should have ran the test with out HCG first
If e2 was normal then adding in HCG made it elevated then you my want to reconsider hcg usage all together.
06-20-2011, 10:43 AM
Why would I cut out HCG if I want my balls to remain productive? If my E2 goes up, couldn't I just find the arimidex sweet spot and let 'em hang? Gonna report to the lab today.
06-20-2011, 03:59 PM
When I first started TRT, I was getting very strong erections. Then, after a couple of weeks I started having weaker erections and rarely had morning wood. I asked doc to look at test and estrogen levels on my last visit and will get results back in July. He said he would put me on arimidex if I am converting to estrogen, but if estrogen levels are high I am going to ask for aromasin instead of arimidex.
06-20-2011, 11:11 PM
06-20-2011, 11:59 PM
06-21-2011, 06:53 AM
06-21-2011, 10:28 AM
I right about this find out why your E2 is going to high after a long time trying to stay in the sweet spot using Arimidex I found it was very hard. Today I don't use Arimidex I use Aromasin on this I don't get the E2 rebound effect and it holds my E2 level for a longer time. I also use Prog. Cream at bed time about 6 to 10 mgs and find this is driving up my libido and helping to keep my E2 levels down.
The first time I tried this I was on a very strong dose of Prog. from Life-Flo Progesterone 20 mgs in about 8 weeks of this it drove my E2 down to 7 I have taken 1 mgs of Arimidex / day and never went this low.
For you men on Arimidex or Aromasin here is a file I made up about it and keeping your Rem Sleep wood up by keeping your E2 levels in the sweet spot.
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How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.
What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs.
The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it.
Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.
I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up.
I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days.
So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.
I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need .25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.
So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel.
Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.
06-21-2011, 11:55 PM
06-22-2011, 08:21 AM
06-22-2011, 10:44 PM
When I'm on TestoPel (10 pellets every 3 months) even w my levels going up to 1000 or more my penis shrivels up and is ice cold. Levitra won't work. My E tested at over 40 and Doc said it was in range and higher E is the balance of high test.. As long as E is not out of range it's normal.
But when I'm on Testim I'm much better. I don't have nowhere near the strength and energy I have on pellets. On pellets I feel like a monster, but Doc won't prescribe any anti E and I suffer horrible ED and shrinking of genitalia. So much even my girlfriend notices. I can't do HCG bc of bad reactions to it. So Clomid brings me back. And I really don't know if I can trust a research Chemical some guy or "company" is making in their basement or who knows where.
So yes, dead penis is an issue for some. Lucky you got Adex.
06-22-2011, 11:57 PM
06-23-2011, 10:33 AM
Yes your Dr. is right like most that don't listen to what your saying to him estradiol at a level of 40 is to dam high for men and if your SHBG is lower in the low 20's you need Estraidol at 10 to 15 pg/ml most men are good at 20. Your higher E2 is going to bind up your TT in your body so it's not working and your Free T is going to be low. And TestoPel 10 pellets is only 750 mgs I don't feel this will last one month let alone 3.
Most men I know on pellets that are over 200 lbs need 1500 mgs to last them 3 months. If you can't get Arimidex from your Dr. try Indolplex/DIM it is a supplement sold OTC and works great for most men and wormen. But you need a good brand like this one.
ALL ABOUT DIM.
Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose not get killed in your stomach when you take it.
Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men.
in this link it's full of links about it.
If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps to keep it from getting killed in your stomach.
The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM.
How to take Indolplex/DIM take one tablet 120 mgs at dinner time it can take 2 weeks to 2 months to get your Estradiol levels down it’s all about how high you are in your levels. What you need to do is get
this down to about 20 pg/ml. When you get this low your night time and morning wood will come back so strong it will wake you up this means most of the time your at your best levels or what I call the sweet spot. Keep taking the DIM but if your wood stops your going down to low so just stop taking it. The day your wood comes back go back on the DIM but cut the tablet in half. If your Testosterone was tested and low but your not on TRT get it tested again you might find your levels came up some 200 to 300 points.
Here is a cut and paste why Dr. John feels we need to take TMG with DIM.
I have seen several studies which showed that while DIM improves the 2-OHE/16-a-OHE ratio, it also increases the bad 4-OHE. TMG, or its child DMG (although TMG is much better because it has already donated a valuable methyl group by the time it becomes DMG) will help flush the 4-OHE downstream.
Taking TMG/DMG is important on its own, even in absence of DIM supplementation. But I would not take DIM without it.
The following is what Dr. Marianco says about lowing E2 with DIM and other things.
My interpretation of the above articles is that:
1. DIM blocks DHT from binding to androgen-receptors in the Prostate. This is a good thing - it reduces the risk of prostate cancer from testosterone replacement therapy.
2. DIM does not stop the production of DHT. For DIM to do so, it has to inhibit the reductase enzyme that converts testosterone to DHT. The articles do not indicate that this is occurring.
In regard to how DIM works, it blocks certain Cytochrome P450 enzymes in the liver which convert Estrogens to more proliferative, cancerous types of estrogens. This forces the liver to use other pathways, which convert estrogens to non-proliferative, safer, and less potent estrogens. Thus, overall estrogen activity is reduced by DIM.
Arimidex blocks the aromatase enzyme that converts testosterone to estrogens, thus lowering the production of estrogens and thus lowering estrogen activity. There are other substances which also block the aromatase enzyme - including 6-OXO (an over-the-counter supplement), Aromasin, etc..
Which do you want to use? Either choice is valid. It will depend on the individual's response, how easy it is to control estrogen activity, cost, etc.
1. Arimidex is by prescription and is very expensive.
2. 6-OXO is over-the-counter, but dosing guidelines are not clear.
3. DIM is over-the-counter, is relatively expensive for what you get. There are pitfalls - such as "DIM-complex" - which water down the DIM concentration by adding additives.
4. Broccoli and I3C - both precursors to DIM can be used. But they require you to avoid antacids, needing acidity in the stomach to break them down and create DIM.
In any case, you will have to monitor your estrogen levels via blood testing to determine how much of each you want to use.
06-23-2011, 11:56 AM
After using functional nutritional testing correcting the imbalances my e2 is now 26 on day before the injections where as it was upper 40's
By practicing proper lifestyles, recalibrating my nutrition based on testing, reducing food allergies, balance out other hormones and thyroid, also having proper detoxication support from the liver no AI is now needed. I get boners on command..
06-23-2011, 12:21 PM
I do use the exact DIM you described. Pure Rip by Enzym Therapy. But also w pellets I tested in the high 800's in the AM after working all night w no sleep, at my 2nd month w 10 pellets. End of my 3rd month I'm low 500.
So I tested my last time at the end of the first 30 days w 10 inserted. I was high 900's. So it's a slow downward fall. But I love pellets, just can't deal w the horrible ED symptoms. Even with the magic pill it's tough going. That's def not for me. But again I can't get a damn AI off any of these Docs.
06-23-2011, 03:55 PM
Well got the labs back.. Here we are:
Test total: 938 (high on labcorp scale, 123-847)
Free test: 38 (5-21)
Estradiol: 10 (5-20)
I think I figured the issue out: I was taking 250mg hcg eod, .25 arimidex eod, and 50mg provision ed. I dropped the a-dex and am keeping the proviron going. I will switch between exemestane, adex, and proviron every 3 months to keep my receptors fresh.
In regards to the matrix, I don't follow your logic. I'm 30 and want the ability to produce children. Testicular atrophy is not in my game plan. Thanks for the feedback however, it looks like you've done your homework. Have you ever considered medical school?
06-24-2011, 10:29 AM
Your very lucky your doing this great on Pellets if I could find a Dr. in MI. that would give me enough pellets for a good price I would jump back on them. I need about 1500 mgs to last 3 months here is a cut and past from a member at my forum that has been on them for yrs. Dr.'s here in MI. what $1,000 to 1,500 per month to put in pellets and this only give enough to last 30 days ripping off men. As for Arimidex you can buy it over Sea's or from research labs on the web. I can't post links to them here forum rules.
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It has been a long time since I visited and mentioned pellets.
My experience with pellets goes back to 1991 when I started receiving 20 - 75 mg
pellet under the skin on my hip below my belt every 4 months.
The dosage goes back to Dr. Greenblatt who pioneered in hormone therapy as early
as the 1950'w. Many of his journal articles still exist on the internet. Men who
are no longer above 250 T should have their T elevated to above 800 to receive
the full benefit of the therapy.
Based on weight, subtract 30 pounds from the patients total weight and then for
every 10 pounds remaining he should receive a 75 mg pellet. The body stops
producing its own source of T when this starts and the pellets are the total
source of T.
Now 78 working at Lowe's in the electrical department feeling great.
You can not feel great unless your level is over 800 IMHO.
I have lost 2 endocrinologists due to their age, beginning in 1991 with Dr. Sipi
of N. Bergen, NJ then Dr. Gambrell of Augusta, GA. Now being treated Dr.
Natrajan also of Augusta (same office) who also treats patients in Atlanta on
I care for his web site:
Searching on the internet with appropriate keywords may find more these days.
Testopel is expensive but the same strength as other cheaper 75 mg hormone
pellets on the market.
There are very few doctors providing hormone pellets but many do not give enough
for the patient to enjoy the benefits.
06-26-2011, 12:59 AM
It does have act as a weak ai
By jacking up your Bio t you may be having ed because of the higher. Amount of. E2.floating around. As for.medical school I prefer to educating drs about latest information. I consult with Dr MD. And nd! From different regions of the usa to help them with complex cases. Ibalso do health counseling out side the drs office on my own.
02-29-2012, 05:40 PM
thats a great write up pmgamer!
02-29-2012, 07:14 PM
I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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