Test pellets, shrinkage, high Estradiol.

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2nd month on 3rd round of pellets. Get 10 every 3 months. Recent bloodwork.
Total test 950
Estradiol 44 (54 is the high)
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Gained solid 9lbs muscle. But.. When my Estro gets up in the 44 range, depressed, penile and testicle shrinkage, zero wood right now even with cialis. Doc won't prescribe AI or HCG. What are my options?
 

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I dont have an answer for you but nice test #. A buddy of mine is on pellets and he loves em.
 

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2nd month on 3rd round of pellets. Get 10 every 3 months. Recent bloodwork.
Total test 950
Estradiol 44 (54 is the high)
Quest Labs

Gained solid 9lbs muscle. But.. When my Estro gets up in the 44 range, depressed, penile and testicle shrinkage, zero wood right now even with cialis. Doc won't prescribe AI or HCG. What are my options?
First, beat your doctor over the head bc he's an a$%...buy some Erase from PES? Pretty potent AI/cortisol controller...
 
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First, beat your doctor over the head bc he's an a$%...buy some Erase from PES? Pretty potent AI/cortisol controller...
You definitely need a doctor who is going to work with you.

I would think if you describe the symptoms and such that he/she'd be okay with helping you lower the estrogen. However, I'd recommend going with an OTC AI in the meantime and see what that can do.
 
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2nd month on 3rd round of pellets. Get 10 every 3 months. Recent bloodwork. Total test 950Estradiol 44 (54 is the high)Quest LabsGained solid 9lbs muscle. But.. When my Estro gets up in the 44 range, depressed, penile and testicle shrinkage, zero wood right now even with cialis. Doc won't prescribe AI or HCG. What are my options?
treat the e2 properly then you resolve your issues.No HCG only going to push it up higher. You might want to loose some fat examine other factors which i have listen on here several time for estrogen control
 

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...buy some Erase from PES? Pretty potent AI/cortisol controller...
Can Erase be used permanently or does it have to be cycled???
For anyone on HRT/TRT cycled AI's are useless. We need Ai's that can be used for the rest of our lives.


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As a dietary supplement, take one (1) capsule, 1-3 times daily. DUE TO EXTREME POTENCY, DO NOT USE FOR LONGER THAN 8 WEEKS, FOLLOWED BY A SUBSEQUENT 4 WEEK BREAK. DO NOT EXCEED 4 CAPSULES IN ANY 24 HOUR PERIOD
 

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First, beat your doctor over the head bc he's an a$%...buy some Erase from PES? Pretty potent AI/cortisol controller...
I just received my bottle of Erase. Will give it a go. Also bought a bottle of DIM Pure Rip.
 

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treat the e2 properly then you resolve your issues.
I would use aromasin 12.5 mgs every 3 days then monitor after 21 days.
No HCG only going to push it up higher.

You might want to loose some fat examine other factors which i have listen on here several time for estrogen control
My BF is very low. Only 13% 175lbs at 39. I'm still active in boxing and my physical conditioning is in monster mode. The pellets brought me to another level. Still compete with all the younger and pro boxers at a high level.

I did HCG in the past and with no AI prescription I was in bad shape. Panic attacks, heart beating out of my chest. I don't want to order prescripts online wo a legit script. I don't need problems w my current job. I looked at All Day Chem and it looked great but I just can't risk it.
 

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You definitely need a doctor who is going to work with you.

I would think if you describe the symptoms and such that he/she'd be okay with helping you lower the estrogen. However, I'd recommend going with an OTC AI in the meantime and see what that can do.
I spoke w my Doc. He says me Estro to Test ratio is balanced and 44 is in range. Told him everytime Ive tested Estro in 40s and above the problems arise. When my Estro has tested 29 and lower ED meds always worked and my penis was fuller and not shriveled up. I know myself very well. It's hard not using my health ins. costs are tough. All my treatment w him is covered.

He wants to put me on Clomid when my levels come a little lower to bring my testicles back and after back on pellets. The guy is board certified urologist and Andrologist. I just can't afford the cost of a clinic.

Again I bought Erase and I have DIM (which has helped me before).
 
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2nd month on 3rd round of pellets. Get 10 every 3 months. Recent bloodwork.
Total test 950
Estradiol 44 (54 is the high)
Quest Labs

Gained solid 9lbs muscle. But.. When my Estro gets up in the 44 range, depressed, penile and testicle shrinkage, zero wood right now even with cialis. Doc won't prescribe AI or HCG. What are my options?
 

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He says me Estro to Test ratio is balanced and 44 is in range. Told him everytime Ive tested Estro in 40s and above the problems arise. When my Estro has tested 29 and lower ED meds always worked and my penis was fuller and not shriveled up. I know myself very well. It's hard not using my health ins. costs are tough. All my treatment w him is covered.

Again I bought Erase and I have DIM (which has helped me before).
There is the problem. Too many doctors make diagnosis by "the acceptable range".
I have the same problems as you when my levels go over 30. My e2 has to be under 20 to function properly.
I'm glad you have found something that works for you before (DIM).
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I've tried 4 different brands of DIM and the one you have is the only one that works for me.
Do you know the level of your sex hormone binding globulin? We are learning through trial and error on these boards that males who have low SHBG need lower that average e2 levels to function. They don't teach that in medical school so there are very few doctors who are aware of that and unfortunately, many doctors don't care about your problem because they aren't experiencing it.
 

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There is the problem. Too many doctors make diagnosis by "the acceptable range".
I have the same problems as you when my levels go over 30. My e2 has to be under 20 to function properly.
I'm glad you have found something that works for you before (DIM).
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I've tried 4 different brands of DIM and the one you have is the only one that works for me.
Do you know the level of your sex hormone binding globulin? We are learning through trial and error on these boards that males who have low SHBG need lower that average e2 levels to function. They don't teach that in medical school so there are very few doctors who are aware of that and unfortunately, many doctors don't care about your problem because they aren't experiencing it.
Agreed. Pure Rip is the only DIM that works ever. Right now it's working well for me. I haven't had my SHBG tested in a few years. I have some leftover clomid from previous script. Thinking of trying a small dose to get my boys to hang again. They have really shrunk and are high.

I have Erase which I'm going to start at one per day with my DIM.
 

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Agreed. Pure Rip is the only DIM that works ever. Right now it's working well for me. I haven't had my SHBG tested in a few years. I have some leftover clomid from previous script. Thinking of trying a small dose to get my boys to hang again. They have really shrunk and are high.

I have Erase which I'm going to start at one per day with my DIM.
when you did use the pure rip with dim, what were your results? did you get morningwood or better wood for sex?

were you natural then and what were your test / e2 levels to begin with? and how much dim did you take daily to help in the wood department? was your wood like 90% on dim or really strong?

i have just ordered indolplex dim and on dragonrider's lab values i thought i'd give it a try again, starting at two tabs a day, his e2 was slashed in half and has good wood

the dim worked for me when i was natural but i never went higher than 1 tab really for long, since i was looking for morningwood but never got it.. the wood for sex did improve though to 90-95%.. i'm hoping it will help me better on 2 tabs a day

are you going to do bloodwork on the dim? i would just skip the erase and post back results on two tabs of dim a day, and would try at least two-three weeks to see it's full effect

my e2 was also nearing 50 and on one tab i had reasonable function like described above.. my shbg has always been around 17 so i think two tabs will help more

i tried arimidex in every possible dosage and it never did anything for my wood.. i had 8 doses of .25 mg and it lowered it in half but no results.. now on trt i tried it all and it sucks

i thought i'd give aromasin a try but unfortunately i get liver stinging pains from that stuff.. same with medrol.. i am on HC which works fine, when i tried medrol for once daily dosing i got the pain in the liver and also aromasin so i quit that stuff immediately

since erase has to be cycled i would just skip it and stick with the dim and do a solid bloodwork panel.. although you probably don't have the sensitive test the regular test worked for me while on arimidex

i would stack the dim with zinc picolinate.. i tried a local health food store zinc picolinate some time ago which worked great, then switched to now foods 50 mg and didn't get any results from this, i am now back on 50 mg of the local brand and this stuff works awesome, something you might consider

i even had sexual thoughts which felt primal.. since i am an ED sufferer i have "mental" libido and can perform fine with viagra but never that "primal" so to speak libido, which is what i'm after

a week or so in on the local brand zinc picolinate it lowered my initial mental libido because it can lower dht, but after about a week i had this primal feeling which was just awesome, also my load size has increased and i can last a bit longer

goes to show that certain brands are way better than others

i would love to see you do bloodwork on it there are only three to five people which i found with bloodwork on the pure rip dim and they all had a lowering of e2 with it

one guy needed only two tablets a week, pmgamer18 used it with success and stops when he's low and goes back on half a tablet a day until morningwood returns.. there is an old member iggy_347 on the meso board who has bloodwork done on it and used it with success, davidz of course and perhaps some other few ppl with anecdotal improved wood, and now dragonrider

im going to test two tabs a day and see if it improves wood again it's coming in next week.. i have the facility to test but low on cash at the moment cuz of upcoming holiday, but after that if this dim works again, i might quit the stuff for a couple weeks, jump back on viagra for a while and test, start it again and retest to see if it works for me as well

good luck man
 

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Dim works good for me. One tab a day 5 on 2 off. No bloods with DIM yet. Wood is ok but I'm a night worker so not the best measure. But it works fine now with DIM, ED meds and just started clomid 3x a week 25mg. Just two doses of clomid my balls are dropping and penis blood flow is very much better. No longer shriveled and cold.

I had an old script I never used so gave it a try and it has really helped. When I was w Renewman they script clomid at 25mg daily w TRT. I know it sounds crazy but even my bro was on that protocol and had the best wood and results. Again cost was tough and I didn't have ins at the time. Now we are both on test only and good muscle gain, feel great but lots of Estro and ED. With clomid and DIM we feel 100pct better.

As far as HCG it makes me feel like comPlete **** and w no Adex worse. Bloat, panic attacks and no energy. Clomid no sides, better balls and boners. You be the judge. everyone is diff. so it's just my opinion. I have read a few guys on clomid w TRT say they feel great.
 

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Dim works good for me. One tab a day 5 on 2 off. No bloods with DIM yet. Wood is ok but I'm a night worker so not the best measure. But it works fine now with DIM, ED meds and just started clomid 3x a week 25mg. Just two doses of clomid my balls are dropping and penis blood flow is very much better. No longer shriveled and cold.

I had an old script I never used so gave it a try and it has really helped. When I was w Renewman they script clomid at 25mg daily w TRT. I know it sounds crazy but even my bro was on that protocol and had the best wood and results. Again cost was tough and I didn't have ins at the time. Now we are both on test only and good muscle gain, feel great but lots of Estro and ED. With clomid and DIM we feel 100pct better.

As far as HCG it makes me feel like comPlete **** and w no Adex worse. Bloat, panic attacks and no energy. Clomid no sides, better balls and boners. You be the judge. everyone is diff. so it's just my opinion. I have read a few guys on clomid w TRT say they feel great.
do you feel that the clomid is making the improvent mostly for the ED?

or would just dim standalone suffice?

how are you going to run the clomid from now on, 25 mg 3x a week?
 

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do you feel that the clomid is making the improvent mostly for the ED?

or would just dim standalone suffice?

how are you going to run the clomid from now on, 25 mg 3x a week?
I have been using clomid now for 2 weeks 3 days per week. My wood is very good, my boys are dropping and fuller. My penis is no longer shriveled, skinny and cold. It is hanging again flaccid like it used to. With just pellets it was cold and literally shriveled up.

I tried to explain this to my Doc so many times. I know my body. With the clomid added in my mood has def improved and my workouts are even more intense. Sex drive always good since starting pellets. Except when estro is up past 40 I have problems. Again, doc won't listen.

Everyone is different but my brother just had his test results come back at 826ng/dL w Androgel. His previous number was 150ng/dL one month ago at 37. His Endo Doc told him 826 is too high! Unreal. This is a guy who couldn't get off the couch and the doc wanted to give him anti Depressants. When he asked for testosterone test the doc told him no. Eventually the guy gave in and put my bro on Androgel when he saw how low he was. Now my bro is happy and energetic again. Strong libido and clear minded.

He has used clomid before also w previous test therapy and felt awesome w it. HCG bloated him like a whale and made his life miserable. There is no set way to do TRT. Some guys take testing too far and overdo it to such a ridiculous point. My doody is not brown, my urine, my ferratin, my nails etc. So I can see where Docs get to a point they won't listen. But when you get a Doc that says 826 test is too high and tells you estrogen is of no concern.. Hence why he's switching to my Doc.
 

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As far as HCG it makes me feel like comPlete **** and w no Adex worse. Bloat, panic attacks and no energy.
That's because HCG raises estrogen levels. It causes the need to run arimidex.
 

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