from well endowed to shrunken penis / what would you do.???
04-02-2011 10:51 AM
from well endowed to shrunken penis / what would you do.???
I was 24 years old having the time of my life high libido/ high energy. I turn 25, may of last year and then I had loss of sex drive, penile shrinkage, loss of penile sensitivy, testicle shrinkage, loss of muscle mass. 10 months later still going thru the same thing but way worse barely have energy to function and penis and testicle are shrinking to nothing day by day. never took aas, dont drink , or smoke.
Natural Test BloodWork
410 Range 300-1080
20 Range 11-80
96 Range 47-244
Testosterone % Free
2.3 Range 1.6-2.9
0.63 Range 0.36-43.9
Estradiol 55pg (13-54)
FSH 3.5 (1.6-8.0)
LH 6.3 (1.5-9.3)
Free T3 1.27 (0.93-1.70)
TSH 0.67 (0.27-4.20)
Prolactin 5.2 (2.0-18.0)
Free Testosterone 117.2 pg (35.0-155.0)
% Free Testosterone 2.47 % (1.5-2.2)
total test 475 (250 - 1100)
Estradiol 67 (13-54)
FSH 3.4 (1.6-8.0)
LH 6.6 (1.5-9.3)
Free Testosterone 106.8 (35. - 155.0)
% Free Testosterone 2.15% (1.5-2.2)
total Testosterone 497 (250-1100)
Vitamin D 25h 33 (30-100)
magnesium 1.96 (1.6-2.2)
Cortisol am 20.11 (6.2-19.4)
DHEA Sulfate 293 (110-510)
BioIdentical Test Cream Bloodwork
started bioidentical testosterone cream 1% in Jan 2011 stopped after 3 weeks made shrinkage of penis/scrotum/and testicles worser.
Testosterone total 322 (241-827)
Free Test 9.0 (6.0-27.0)
SHBG 16 ( 13-71)
Gonadortropin 5.0 (4.0-8.0)
Cortisol 5 (2-25) (7-25)am(2-13)pm
FSH 6.9 (1.3-11.4)
Progesterone 0.5 (.15-1.15)
Prolactin 2.8 (3.0-30.0)
Free t4 1.26 (.73-1.95)
TSH 0.8 (.3-5.1)
Free t3 3.3 (2.3-4.2)
estradiol 22.1 (10 - 42)
estrone 10.7 (9-36)
total estrogens 32.8 (19-69)
March 2011 Saliva Test
progesterone 89 (5-95pg/ml)
androstenedione 480 (151-350 pg /ml)
testosterone >200 (60-110 pg/ml)
dht >125 (22-72 pg/ml)
estrone 88 (30-58 pg/ml)
estradiol 7 (1-3pg/ml)
FSH >750 (<125 uiu/ml)
LH >250 (10-25 uiu/ml)
6-8 am 10 (13-24)
4-5pm 6 (3-8 )
10- midnight 3 (1-4)
dhea >25 (3-10 ng/nil)
March 2011 bloodwork 200iu of hcg daily for about a week
total test 584
April 2011 one 400mg shot of Test E
total t 1490 (250-1100)
free t 410 (35.0-155)
tsh 0.400 (0.340-4.820)
free t4 1.46 (0.73-1.95)
TSH 1.3 (0.3-5.1)
Estradiol 38 (<63)
FSH 6.2 (1.3-11.4)
LH 8.0 (1.2-7.8 )
prolactin 5.7 (3.0-30.0)
testoosterone 511 (241-827)
shbg 23 (13-71)
free t 13.0 (6.0- 27.0)
IGF-I 333 (116-358)
dhea 288 (240-549)
vitamin d3 93 (30-100)
psa 0.6 (<4.0)
here are some out of range items
cholesterol 214 (<200)
LdL chol 153 (<100)
ratio LDL/HDL 3.72 (<3.55)
rbc 6.52 (4.10-11.0)
hematocrit 51.8 (37-49)
MCV 79.4 (80--100)
MCH 25.9 (27-34)
neutrophils 38 (40-74)
lymphocytes 49 (19-48 )
what to do to return back to my youthful 20s and have sex again ???
04-02-2011 10:53 AM
Dude I am so sorry. You need a medical specialist. This is seriously one of the most depressing threads ever.
04-02-2011 11:20 AM
I would go seek out an endocrinologist ASAP. He should be able to help out with what's going on. Sounds like you have some hormonal imbalance going on to say the least.
Recoverbro Elite"This is what we've been working on"
04-02-2011 11:29 AM
thats the thing , all these test were done by endo, urologist, bhrt specialist and still no help. I need assistance some how this is really affecting my quality of life. I went from being a humorous easy going fun person to a bitter , depressed, asexual young man.
04-02-2011 11:37 AM
Look up the member here "The Matrix" he is pretty well versed in handling hormonal problems and can probably either help you, or point you in the right direction.
Originally Posted by theoh
04-02-2011 12:32 PM
Sorry about this my man, i have been through the same thing....I agree though I would get the matrix's advice on this, although the depressing thing is (but im no expert) is that the only thing that really caught my attention from your earlier bloodwork is that your estradiol was way too high, which would certainly affect your libido, quality of life, erections, etc.....although your T and free t may not have been optimum, those probably would have improved as well if your e was in check...not sure why they put you on hormones.....
Originally Posted by theoh
04-02-2011 12:57 PM
Your dr was incompetent to put you on hormones. First thing they should have done was isolate why you are feeling this way by looking at the overall picture. Dr ask to few questions and jump the gun on giving hormones. 25 years old for god sake I can see red flags going up all over the place.
Originally Posted by codered5
First question would be if a client or dr's patient I was working with due to this issue would be WHY? or What factors may have contributed to the cause of this issue. In dealing with many cases such as yours there is a simple underlying explainiation but due to the blindness of traditioinal medicine they can see the simpliest thing that are right under neath their noses. They do not have the time to dig for the answers and wondering why their patients are not getting better. Hormones is just one small piece of the over picture dr focus on while forgetting >75% of the rest. Unfortunately when dealing with many people on forums they leave out the most crucial details resulting in people good intentions turning one of the most dangerous weapons. So many times its the blind leading the blind because they do not have the whole story and making recommendations is great, but with out knowing the medical history and psychological well being of the person can be a ticking time bomb. So with that said I would have to look at the reason why your e2 went up. I actually have some what of a good idea, but it be impossible to analyze online issues.
Its like trying to fix a car with out being a mechanic you have the basic idea, but do not know where to start.
There are several factor in your case that I would have to sit down and really examine. As usually its something a lazy dr never looked past but wanted to perscribe you a drug instead to bandaid the situation. "Oh here is some testosterone come back in 3 months and get counseling" LOL
Let me just give you one piece of advice.
50% healing begins as soon as you would walk into the office.
I deal with people that have "disesaes" labeled by traditoinal medicine, I make the client under stand they do not have a "disease", but they are just imbalanced and its my job to find out why. The only guarrantee I give them is that I will do my best to help to bring their body and mind back into the proper balance so they are not just better, but well once again. I never want to get a person better (short term), but well (long term). Traditional dr's are looking for the hear and now solution (bandaid approach) rather then the long term solution..
04-02-2011 01:28 PM
I understand where you coming from matrix let me give you a little incite which makes its more confusing. only supplements I took on a regular or semi regular basics was a *** omega 3 fish oil , and acai berry supplement.
I was at a high point in my life doing good in school , musical aspiration as a producer going well. having good time with my girlfriend. doing weekly aeorboics to lose some weight was currently at 215 , 5'7 built not superfit but had muscle defintion built like a football lineback. very much into meditation, karma, chakras etc. basically comfortable in my skin and starting to develop my career goals and dreams. I always had a creative, comedic thought process quick on my feet.
I turn 25 may 2010 and notice a sudden low libido , penis was still normal and function. talked to friends about it said it was in my head so just forgot about it. after bday try to have sex with g/f and penis erection is hard to attain. and when I did attain it reduced penile sensation which made me wonder what was up. went to doctors to say its all in my head, just eat right and exercise. I changed my diet to extremely healthy and exercise to still notice lack of muscle def/ increase abodomen fat. erection quality getting worse so was reduction in size.
started taking *** men health supplements , dr lins & dr richards supplements not at the same time but during the 3 months of clean diet and exercise.
finally get hormones checked in aug 2010 low normal t and high estradiol seem to be the recurring factor. more test and more test , go to naturopath doctor during aug and nov dates to check for toxins , supplement for thyroid and increase testosterone nature. still having shrunken penis and etc during all this
find a bhrt doc in dec (which I regret doing) and start the bio test cream dosed at 1% 30 gm . 4 clicks equal 1mg. backed with chrysin for e2 (:******* dont notice any benefits. around week 2 notice penis and scrotum and etc shrinking more.
fast forward to apr 2011 , lost my girlfriend during all this , losing friends , missing out meeting new young chicks that dig me, demoted from my job classification, spending savings just to get quality of life back, comtemplating suicide for the first time in my life.
current doctor seems to have a right approach has me doing a detox diet for estrogen and to lose weight to minimize aromatose . but im still noticing penis/testicle/scrotum shrinkage and erection quality seems to be getting worse. so is sensitivity/ feel
04-02-2011 02:14 PM
I would still need more information more data. I usual spend a good hour listening and interrogating clients and drs patients. I am not satisifed untill I rule out every possibility. It's called keep digging..,
Originally Posted by theoh
04-02-2011 03:15 PM
forgot to add my new doctor who has me doing the detox also had me do a ion panel that im will go over with him in a couple weeks. also a heavy metal test that I havent sent off yet.
04-02-2011 03:34 PM
Sorry to interrupt this thread (hope you get things figured out OP), but
Matrix, I'm trying to send you a PM but your inbox is full.
04-03-2011 10:19 AM
Your cortisol seemed high on nov 2010 before you started the testosterone. You may have been suffering from stress. Your estrodiol was high too. Are you over weight? What is your diet like?
Tianeptine is an anti depressant that lowers cortisol and reverses the damage that cortisol does to the brain. It also increases sex drive. I've ordered some off the internet for myself. A study found that 50 mg of viagra every nite for a year could REVERSE impotence. I'm not recommending that you take these it's your choice if you do.
I would cut out all refined foods from you diet. Eat healthy. Try penis enlargement exercises. Get a penis pump, bathmate is good.
I went through the same thing in my early 20's.
Also you could be masterbating too much or you may be desensitised due to overexposure to porn (this isn't a joke, google it)
Try only cumming once a week and the rest just edge. This will defo increase your desire and erection quality.
Good luck bro
04-03-2011 10:32 AM
Look ... suicide is not the answer.
When I was 25, all of my self-esteem was wrapped up in my moisture seeking love missile too - and, well, it's not optimum but it's fine until something happens and the guidance goes out on it.
You need to realize that there is more to life ... that's first. You also need to realize that every sun that rises means more possibilities for you. So suicide is not the answer.
You need a good doctor. Go and find one. Maybe Matrix or someone can recommend a good one.
The problem is - these kinds of things don't just happen. Something is going on with your body and it could lead to issues in other areas. You need to find a good doctor and cooperate with him.
If the first one doesn't work out - move on to another.
Get your job back ... get your self-esteem back that is going to help a lot also.
04-03-2011 11:12 AM
I only just read the bit about suicide. DONT DO IT! I tried to kill my self when I was 18. I was sad and alone for most of my 20's and when I had all the erection difficulties I thought that I could never be able to have a relationship as I wouldn't be able to make a woman happy. I come through it and I'm currently with the same girl for the past 3 years. She has never cheated. I did lose my erection a few times with her at the beginning of the relationship but I managed to work through it. I took various supplements and did lots of exercises and cut back on the masterbation all of which has helped.
At the minute she is finding it difficult getting wet. She has low blood pressure and sometimes feels like she is going to pass out. She also wasn't into all the things that I was. However as I love her I will work through all those things with her.
If and when you meet someone if you still have problems they will stick with you as they love you. Life is short. Make the most of it. This problem will be resolved eventually.
04-03-2011 01:08 PM
I appreciate the input from you guys , yea im doing a detox diet from my new bhrt doctor which I have cut out all sugars , refined and everything, to lose weight and to cut back on amatose fat. its not just getting a erection its the fact that my testicles are shrinking as well as other health issues as lack of energy and etc. its seems that testosterone is a factor as well as estradiol and etc. what makes it hard for me I was at thepoint in my life where I reached my mid 20s and was comfortable in my skin I finally found myself as a person. girls flock around me now and the fact that I cant experience my 20s the way I want to is disturbing.\
I still have my job its just the fact I barely have energy or drive to work. I been to ****load of doctors for them to say its all in my head and to get my confidence up. or trying to throw me on prozac or any other ssri. if you personally know me Im a very quick witted, intelligent person. for doctors to say you are healthy when you are not is hard on the ego. I just want to be able to have a family and enjoy my life as a artist/producer.
04-03-2011 02:06 PM
HcG can bring back shrunken testicles after anabolic steroid use but can increase estrogen.
04-03-2011 02:11 PM
Massaging the testicles can increase their size so can pumping them. You could get a combination penis and testicle pump. The increase in blood flow will help the testicles produce more test and the pump will also help your ED. Check out a penis enlargement website Matters of Size is good. The bathmate penis pump is an approved method for treating ED. It ain't good for testicle pumping though.
04-03-2011 02:22 PM
i tried the hcg if you look at the test it did raise t but since the old fashion doc only took total test I dont know how my e2 was. apparently it was still high because more shrinkage happen when I was doing the hcg therapy. I want lie it did help with energy somewhat. its not only ed im dealing with my penis sensitivity seems to be getting wworse which has to be hormonal because no damage is to my penis. lack of morning erections and nighttime as well. Im trying to see if I can get clomid prescribed from my current bhrt doc but he wants me to complete detox and etc first.
04-06-2011 12:21 PM
The loss of size (everything) can definately be attributed to the increased estrogen. Find out what is causing that and I am convinced your problem will go away.
I'm not sure about that detox diet though. Protein is crucial for optimum testosterone production. Seems like I have also seen males have problems if they take too much fish oils also.
04-06-2011 12:51 PM
I've had estradiol in the 60s with lower total testosterone and functioned fine, so a heightened estradiol isn't a guarantee of problems.
Originally Posted by codered5
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