from well endowed to shrunken penis / what would you do.???
- 04-02-2011, 11:51 AM
from well endowed to shrunken penis / what would you do.???
I was 24 years old having the time of my life high libido/ high energy. I turn 25, may of last year and then I had loss of sex drive, penile shrinkage, loss of penile sensitivy, testicle shrinkage, loss of muscle mass. 10 months later still going thru the same thing but way worse barely have energy to function and penis and testicle are shrinking to nothing day by day. never took aas, dont drink , or smoke.
Natural Test BloodWork
410 Range 300-1080
20 Range 11-80
96 Range 47-244
Testosterone % Free
2.3 Range 1.6-2.9
0.63 Range 0.36-43.9
Estradiol 55pg (13-54)
FSH 3.5 (1.6-8.0)
LH 6.3 (1.5-9.3)
Free T3 1.27 (0.93-1.70)
TSH 0.67 (0.27-4.20)
Prolactin 5.2 (2.0-18.0)
Free Testosterone 117.2 pg (35.0-155.0)
% Free Testosterone 2.47 % (1.5-2.2)
total test 475 (250 - 1100)
Estradiol 67 (13-54)
FSH 3.4 (1.6-8.0)
LH 6.6 (1.5-9.3)
Free Testosterone 106.8 (35. - 155.0)
% Free Testosterone 2.15% (1.5-2.2)
total Testosterone 497 (250-1100)
Vitamin D 25h 33 (30-100)
magnesium 1.96 (1.6-2.2)
Cortisol am 20.11 (6.2-19.4)
DHEA Sulfate 293 (110-510)
BioIdentical Test Cream Bloodwork
started bioidentical testosterone cream 1% in Jan 2011 stopped after 3 weeks made shrinkage of penis/scrotum/and testicles worser.
Testosterone total 322 (241-827)
Free Test 9.0 (6.0-27.0)
SHBG 16 ( 13-71)
Gonadortropin 5.0 (4.0-8.0)
Cortisol 5 (2-25) (7-25)am(2-13)pm
FSH 6.9 (1.3-11.4)
Progesterone 0.5 (.15-1.15)
Prolactin 2.8 (3.0-30.0)
Free t4 1.26 (.73-1.95)
TSH 0.8 (.3-5.1)
Free t3 3.3 (2.3-4.2)
estradiol 22.1 (10 - 42)
estrone 10.7 (9-36)
total estrogens 32.8 (19-69)
March 2011 Saliva Test
progesterone 89 (5-95pg/ml)
androstenedione 480 (151-350 pg /ml)
testosterone >200 (60-110 pg/ml)
dht >125 (22-72 pg/ml)
estrone 88 (30-58 pg/ml)
estradiol 7 (1-3pg/ml)
FSH >750 (<125 uiu/ml)
LH >250 (10-25 uiu/ml)
6-8 am 10 (13-24)
4-5pm 6 (3-8 )
10- midnight 3 (1-4)
dhea >25 (3-10 ng/nil)
March 2011 bloodwork 200iu of hcg daily for about a week
total test 584
April 2011 one 400mg shot of Test E
total t 1490 (250-1100)
free t 410 (35.0-155)
tsh 0.400 (0.340-4.820)
free t4 1.46 (0.73-1.95)
TSH 1.3 (0.3-5.1)
Estradiol 38 (<63)
FSH 6.2 (1.3-11.4)
LH 8.0 (1.2-7.8 )
prolactin 5.7 (3.0-30.0)
testoosterone 511 (241-827)
shbg 23 (13-71)
free t 13.0 (6.0- 27.0)
IGF-I 333 (116-358)
dhea 288 (240-549)
vitamin d3 93 (30-100)
psa 0.6 (<4.0)
here are some out of range items
cholesterol 214 (<200)
LdL chol 153 (<100)
ratio LDL/HDL 3.72 (<3.55)
rbc 6.52 (4.10-11.0)
hematocrit 51.8 (37-49)
MCV 79.4 (80--100)
MCH 25.9 (27-34)
neutrophils 38 (40-74)
lymphocytes 49 (19-48 )
what to do to return back to my youthful 20s and have sex again ???
- 04-02-2011, 11:53 AM
Dude I am so sorry. You need a medical specialist. This is seriously one of the most depressing threads ever.
- 04-02-2011, 12:20 PM
I would go seek out an endocrinologist ASAP. He should be able to help out with what's going on. Sounds like you have some hormonal imbalance going on to say the least.Recoverbro Elite"This is what we've been working on"
04-02-2011, 12:29 PM
thats the thing , all these test were done by endo, urologist, bhrt specialist and still no help. I need assistance some how this is really affecting my quality of life. I went from being a humorous easy going fun person to a bitter , depressed, asexual young man.
04-02-2011, 12:37 PM
04-02-2011, 01:32 PM
04-02-2011, 01:57 PM
First question would be if a client or dr's patient I was working with due to this issue would be WHY? or What factors may have contributed to the cause of this issue. In dealing with many cases such as yours there is a simple underlying explainiation but due to the blindness of traditioinal medicine they can see the simpliest thing that are right under neath their noses. They do not have the time to dig for the answers and wondering why their patients are not getting better. Hormones is just one small piece of the over picture dr focus on while forgetting >75% of the rest. Unfortunately when dealing with many people on forums they leave out the most crucial details resulting in people good intentions turning one of the most dangerous weapons. So many times its the blind leading the blind because they do not have the whole story and making recommendations is great, but with out knowing the medical history and psychological well being of the person can be a ticking time bomb. So with that said I would have to look at the reason why your e2 went up. I actually have some what of a good idea, but it be impossible to analyze online issues.
Its like trying to fix a car with out being a mechanic you have the basic idea, but do not know where to start.
There are several factor in your case that I would have to sit down and really examine. As usually its something a lazy dr never looked past but wanted to perscribe you a drug instead to bandaid the situation. "Oh here is some testosterone come back in 3 months and get counseling" LOL
Let me just give you one piece of advice.
50% healing begins as soon as you would walk into the office.
I deal with people that have "disesaes" labeled by traditoinal medicine, I make the client under stand they do not have a "disease", but they are just imbalanced and its my job to find out why. The only guarrantee I give them is that I will do my best to help to bring their body and mind back into the proper balance so they are not just better, but well once again. I never want to get a person better (short term), but well (long term). Traditional dr's are looking for the hear and now solution (bandaid approach) rather then the long term solution..
04-02-2011, 02:28 PM
I understand where you coming from matrix let me give you a little incite which makes its more confusing. only supplements I took on a regular or semi regular basics was a gnc omega 3 fish oil , and acai berry supplement.
I was at a high point in my life doing good in school , musical aspiration as a producer going well. having good time with my girlfriend. doing weekly aeorboics to lose some weight was currently at 215 , 5'7 built not superfit but had muscle defintion built like a football lineback. very much into meditation, karma, chakras etc. basically comfortable in my skin and starting to develop my career goals and dreams. I always had a creative, comedic thought process quick on my feet.
I turn 25 may 2010 and notice a sudden low libido , penis was still normal and function. talked to friends about it said it was in my head so just forgot about it. after bday try to have sex with g/f and penis erection is hard to attain. and when I did attain it reduced penile sensation which made me wonder what was up. went to doctors to say its all in my head, just eat right and exercise. I changed my diet to extremely healthy and exercise to still notice lack of muscle def/ increase abodomen fat. erection quality getting worse so was reduction in size.
started taking gnc men health supplements , dr lins & dr richards supplements not at the same time but during the 3 months of clean diet and exercise.
finally get hormones checked in aug 2010 low normal t and high estradiol seem to be the recurring factor. more test and more test , go to naturopath doctor during aug and nov dates to check for toxins , supplement for thyroid and increase testosterone nature. still having shrunken penis and etc during all this
find a bhrt doc in dec (which I regret doing) and start the bio test cream dosed at 1% 30 gm . 4 clicks equal 1mg. backed with chrysin for e2 (:******* dont notice any benefits. around week 2 notice penis and scrotum and etc shrinking more.
fast forward to apr 2011 , lost my girlfriend during all this , losing friends , missing out meeting new young chicks that dig me, demoted from my job classification, spending savings just to get quality of life back, comtemplating suicide for the first time in my life.
current doctor seems to have a right approach has me doing a detox diet for estrogen and to lose weight to minimize aromatose . but im still noticing penis/testicle/scrotum shrinkage and erection quality seems to be getting worse. so is sensitivity/ feel
04-02-2011, 03:14 PM
04-02-2011, 04:15 PM
forgot to add my new doctor who has me doing the detox also had me do a ion panel that im will go over with him in a couple weeks. also a heavy metal test that I havent sent off yet.
04-02-2011, 04:34 PM
Sorry to interrupt this thread (hope you get things figured out OP), but
Matrix, I'm trying to send you a PM but your inbox is full.
04-03-2011, 11:19 AM
Your cortisol seemed high on nov 2010 before you started the testosterone. You may have been suffering from stress. Your estrodiol was high too. Are you over weight? What is your diet like?
Tianeptine is an anti depressant that lowers cortisol and reverses the damage that cortisol does to the brain. It also increases sex drive. I've ordered some off the internet for myself. A study found that 50 mg of viagra every nite for a year could REVERSE impotence. I'm not recommending that you take these it's your choice if you do.
I would cut out all refined foods from you diet. Eat healthy. Try penis enlargement exercises. Get a penis pump, bathmate is good.
I went through the same thing in my early 20's.
Also you could be masterbating too much or you may be desensitised due to overexposure to porn (this isn't a joke, google it)
Try only cumming once a week and the rest just edge. This will defo increase your desire and erection quality.
Good luck bro
04-03-2011, 11:32 AM
Look ... suicide is not the answer.
When I was 25, all of my self-esteem was wrapped up in my moisture seeking love missile too - and, well, it's not optimum but it's fine until something happens and the guidance goes out on it.
You need to realize that there is more to life ... that's first. You also need to realize that every sun that rises means more possibilities for you. So suicide is not the answer.
You need a good doctor. Go and find one. Maybe Matrix or someone can recommend a good one.
The problem is - these kinds of things don't just happen. Something is going on with your body and it could lead to issues in other areas. You need to find a good doctor and cooperate with him.
If the first one doesn't work out - move on to another.
Get your job back ... get your self-esteem back that is going to help a lot also.
04-03-2011, 12:12 PM
I only just read the bit about suicide. DONT DO IT! I tried to kill my self when I was 18. I was sad and alone for most of my 20's and when I had all the erection difficulties I thought that I could never be able to have a relationship as I wouldn't be able to make a woman happy. I come through it and I'm currently with the same girl for the past 3 years. She has never cheated. I did lose my erection a few times with her at the beginning of the relationship but I managed to work through it. I took various supplements and did lots of exercises and cut back on the masterbation all of which has helped.
At the minute she is finding it difficult getting wet. She has low blood pressure and sometimes feels like she is going to pass out. She also wasn't into all the things that I was. However as I love her I will work through all those things with her.
If and when you meet someone if you still have problems they will stick with you as they love you. Life is short. Make the most of it. This problem will be resolved eventually.
04-03-2011, 02:08 PM
I appreciate the input from you guys , yea im doing a detox diet from my new bhrt doctor which I have cut out all sugars , refined and everything, to lose weight and to cut back on amatose fat. its not just getting a erection its the fact that my testicles are shrinking as well as other health issues as lack of energy and etc. its seems that testosterone is a factor as well as estradiol and etc. what makes it hard for me I was at thepoint in my life where I reached my mid 20s and was comfortable in my skin I finally found myself as a person. girls flock around me now and the fact that I cant experience my 20s the way I want to is disturbing.\
I still have my job its just the fact I barely have energy or drive to work. I been to ****load of doctors for them to say its all in my head and to get my confidence up. or trying to throw me on prozac or any other ssri. if you personally know me Im a very quick witted, intelligent person. for doctors to say you are healthy when you are not is hard on the ego. I just want to be able to have a family and enjoy my life as a artist/producer.
04-03-2011, 03:06 PM
04-03-2011, 03:11 PM
Massaging the testicles can increase their size so can pumping them. You could get a combination penis and testicle pump. The increase in blood flow will help the testicles produce more test and the pump will also help your ED. Check out a penis enlargement website Matters of Size is good. The bathmate penis pump is an approved method for treating ED. It ain't good for testicle pumping though.
04-03-2011, 03:22 PM
i tried the hcg if you look at the test it did raise t but since the old fashion doc only took total test I dont know how my e2 was. apparently it was still high because more shrinkage happen when I was doing the hcg therapy. I want lie it did help with energy somewhat. its not only ed im dealing with my penis sensitivity seems to be getting wworse which has to be hormonal because no damage is to my penis. lack of morning erections and nighttime as well. Im trying to see if I can get clomid prescribed from my current bhrt doc but he wants me to complete detox and etc first.
04-06-2011, 01:21 PM
The loss of size (everything) can definately be attributed to the increased estrogen. Find out what is causing that and I am convinced your problem will go away.
I'm not sure about that detox diet though. Protein is crucial for optimum testosterone production. Seems like I have also seen males have problems if they take too much fish oils also.
04-06-2011, 01:51 PM
04-06-2011, 04:14 PM
My SHBG is very low (11) and I find that I lose sexual function when my estradiol is over 15pg/dL. For example, I have blood tests that show me at both 27 and 37pg/dL, which would be well within normal range for the average male, but it was too high for me to perform.
It appears to me that for some reason, if your SHBG is higher you can function with higher estradiol levels and if your SHBG is lower then you need lower estradiol levels to function at all.
04-06-2011, 04:22 PM
Thats believable. I just wanted to make it clear that what levels someone can function at are pretty individual, and there is no simple "aha your XXXXX is Y, thats why you are having problems" that applies to everyone.
04-06-2011, 05:07 PM
The only time I've had this problem is when I'm on narcotic pain killers for extended periods of time. My estradiol goes up, as well as my prolactin (off the charts high). Prolactin seems to be my undoing, as my estradiol is commonly high. So what Easy said is very true, and it is very difficult for us to look at your labs and tell you what is wrong. I would keep checking my prolactin level if I was having your problem, but I also found out recently that I have a pituitary microadenoma according to MRI, which is releasing excess prolactin or inhibiting my dopamine (not sure which). This makes it difficult for me to transcribe my experiences to your situation. In any event, keep us updated!
As a side note, do you remember how long after waking up from sleep, as well as time of day, that these tests were performed?
04-06-2011, 05:19 PM
I went through a similar phase at 27, but no shrinkage or anything... just no desire to have sex etc. I was stressed and depressed from some deaths in the fam, had blood work done and some things seemed ok and others were off like test being low. Started going back to the gym, eating right, clearing my head etc... I was still having problems sometimes gaining an erection or maintaining it. But now things have gotten a lot better. I get stressed/agitated easily and if it's "one of those days" it just kills my desire still. But my girls has been very understanding, as there are other times when we can bang no problem, and then sometimes where just doesn't happen which can def be in your head/stress related as is my case..... but you seem to be having way more serious issues, hope you get it resolved.
I went to one of the best urologist around which happened to be in my city. He even had mentioned that in the last few years he's seeing more and more younger guys in their 20's with issues then ever before (especially lower testosterone levels), same with his colleagues out of state... they've said the same thing.
04-06-2011, 05:36 PM
I believe the shrinkage you speak of is usually attributed to a marked decrease in your free testosterone...thats what usually gives us the "hang"....can't say for sure though.
Keep your head up, as I mentioned before been there, had similar problems...I was a college baseball player and basically had girls throwing themselves at me and couldn't do much about it....IT WILL GET BETTER
04-06-2011, 06:06 PM
I would agree , my shbg always comes back low when I had it tested, so that would be a indicator that e2 is playing a factor with it. my free t seems to be declining from my bloodwork if I remember correct. I would be alot less stressed if I didnt have the shrinkage of package or testes, just no libido or drive. the fact that my whole body muscle definition is not how it was 10 months ago is another indicator my testosterone isnt up to par. I never even thought about the endocrine system or testosterone for that matter, but the more I think about it my energy level and libido used to be sky high. I dont know my pre bloodwork levels but I would assume they were at least in the 600 700 range. its like my body is screaming for more testosterone.
my prolactin is never high from the times I checked it. had mri and ultrasound of testes both came back clean. it seems apparent im am secondary hypogonad but idk what to do.
04-06-2011, 06:53 PM
I wonder if the shrinkage has to do with the "stimulant effect". After taking stimulants (Ephedrine, caffeine, meth(past life), etc.), my mini-me always seems to shrink, and it becomes almost impossible to get a boner! Also dehydration does this as well. Do you drink enough water? How many stimulants do you use in a typical day?
04-06-2011, 07:54 PM
04-06-2011, 09:55 PM
04-07-2011, 10:00 AM
04-07-2011, 02:59 PM
04-07-2011, 03:41 PM
I would have to look at immune. neurological, endocrine, psychological, environmental, lifestyle and nutrition compenents in order to get an over all picture. Only a very few Dr's take an integrated approach.
09-04-2011, 10:18 PM
09-05-2011, 05:19 AM
What was done to help you get your natural levels going again?
Seems you were on creams, then on HCG, then nothing? with nothing to help you get back to normal?
Also doesn't look like its even been that much time when you were on treatment, it takes many weeks to get the full benefits from any testosterone replacement.
I feel better every week I am on (only 7 weeks into it, but I count it as 4 since the first 3 were on creams and didnt do jack)
Instantly my energy came back (I could wake up feeling refreshed, and not exhausted by 1pm where I'd have to sleep).
But gradually each week it gets just a little better (when estrogen isnt an issue like it has been just now).
09-06-2011, 01:50 AM
09-08-2011, 10:50 PM
09-08-2011, 11:25 PM
Actually it sounds like stimulant abuse. Whenever I use any ephedrine/clenbuterol products, for example, I get MASSIVE shrinkage and prostate problems/problems urinating/etc. which resolve the next day if I don't use any stimulants. Another effect of stimulant abuse is an increase in Cortisol and stress hormones, in addition to adrenal fatigue, which could interfere with libido and fat gain. Do you use any stimulants? I would cut out ALL stimulants for around a month if I was in your situation (or until symptoms cease) to rule out stimulant induced adrenal fatigue. That would also decrease Cortisol, as well as increase libido and help any prostate problems you may be having (it's been a while since I checked this thread, and I can't remember if you stated if you used any stimulants and/or had prostate problems). Hopefully this helps!
09-09-2011, 04:47 AM
09-09-2011, 09:54 AM
I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
09-09-2011, 10:26 AM
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