High E upcoming Endo appt
- 03-01-2011, 08:20 PM
High E upcoming Endo appt
Went to see my primary care physician a few weeks ago because I suspected my T levels might be low. Doc was very reluctant to check anything other than total T but after much pleading I also got him to check free T as well as E2. My T levels fell in the normal range (674 ng/dl total and 89.6 pg/ml free) however my E2 was pretty high 133.4 pg/ml.
I have an appt w an endo in another 3 weeks and I'm just trying to educate myself a little more before I see him. Should i expect to have any more bloodwork done? If so what else should they check for? Is there any ways I can lower estrogen levels naturally?
Also I should mention that after I found out my E2 was high I decided to start a cycle of forma stanzol mainly because at the time my endo appt wasn't until another 6 weeks and the high E was really F ing up my relationship ... it was almost impossible fo r me to cum. Like I said before my appt isn't for another 3 weeks so i was wondering if I should stop taking the forma now or how much longer I can stay on it for.
- 03-02-2011, 10:13 PM
Did the formestane help? It also lowers DHT so that may be a confounding issue. If T is high and E is high... I really think that's a DHT problem. That's not fact, simply a suggestion.
I don't know what the endo does for high estrogen levels. No idea if they are willing to prescribe AIs or anything like that. If your lipids aren't bad atm, you could try slowly dosing an AI like exemestane to get E2 in check. But going to the endo first is the best idea. Good luck man.Celtic Labs Rep
- 03-03-2011, 02:52 PM
Yeah the formestane does seem to help at least in the libido department. I think I had gone nearly a week without ejaculating before I started taking it (and believed me I tried!). But I'm not sure if I'm dosing high enough or if forma is even capable of bringing me down from 133 to an optimal range which is somewhere around 25-35 I believe (found that range on another thread here).
Anyways the forma is more of a bridge until I see the endo. Hopefully he does prescribe me an AI as my E2 is through the roof right now. But I'm still wondering if its a bad idead to be taking the forma before I see the endo. Anyone have any input here. I obstained from all supps for 5 weeks before I had the initial bloodwork taken so I could get a fair assesment of where I was at.
03-03-2011, 02:56 PM
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You definitely want to be off the forma at least for 2 weeks if not longer prior to next blood draw. I'd stop now, with your appointment in 3 weeks as odds are fair the endo will draw more blood.
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03-04-2011, 08:36 AM
Thanks I'll b dropping the forma asap. Only other supp I'm taking is topical magnesium oil which claims to raise dhea levels, do u think I should stop taking that as well? Common sense tells me I should but I was a mess the last time I stopped taking all supps and don't really want to go through that all over again, ya know
03-07-2011, 03:53 AM
with e2 that high i wouldnt bother with otc stuff. that calls for the big guns. hopefully you have a good endo and he'll get you right
03-09-2011, 10:27 AM
thanks for a heads up on the dht possibility, I didn't know that formestane lowered dht. I'm still a total noob when it comes to this stuff so there is still much to learn. From what I've read dht competes w estrogen for receptor sites and kind of acts like an ai, correct? So I guess it would be wise for my endo to check for low dht levels.Did the formestane help? It also lowers DHT so that may be a confounding issue. If T is high and E is high... I really think that's a DHT problem. That's not fact, simply a suggestion.
What else would a good endo look at? Only reason I ask is because I am going to Fallon health clinic and am not really sure how qualified or caring the doc is gonna be.
And if u read this The Matrix I would really value any input you have to offer. Ive been having problems with depression, anxiety, and lethargy pretty much half my life (I'm 27 btw), I thought it was a chemical imbalance but come to find out that high levels of estrogen can cause these same symptoms. So that's why I'd really like to get my levels in check asap so I don't have to wait endless months chasing my tail w a clueless endo
03-11-2011, 03:19 PM
Guess I'm on my own here ... That's cool I'll just heal myself w the power of my mind ... Winning!!
03-12-2011, 10:13 AM
03-14-2011, 08:51 AM
no I'm all done trying to figure this one out on my own that's why I set up the endo appt and started this thread looking for a little extra help and guidance.May want to check into other reason to why you are feeling like this. One needs to look at all factors because symptoms can over lap. From personal expereince, I thought it was my thyroid and it ended up being something totally different. You can not out guess the body because it will throw you a curve ball unless it can me medically validated. Going on your own is not a bad idea, but bewarned with out proper guidennce as I found my self barking up the wrong tree too many times.
I've tried several OTC depression aids as well as several ssris hoping to alleviate my symptoms with only minimal success. Currently I am taking full dose of paxil, 60 mg a day, and haven't really noticed any improvement in mood or well being.
I've have really cleaned up my diet and reduced my caffeine intake the last month or so in hopes of gaining more energy. I have gone organic, eliminated all sugar, dairy, and gluten products, and try to only eat hormone free protein sources. At my worse I was probably taking 1500+ milligrams of caffeine daily just to make it through an 8 hour workday. I've cut that amount significantly but it still takes around 600 milligrams for me to function and actually accomplish anything.
Guess I'll just have to wait to see how I feel once I get my e2 in check. What other factors do you think need to be examined?
03-14-2011, 09:24 AM
You need to really get to root cause and this endo is a fuken waste of time. They can not even figure out primary or secondary hypogonadism alone your biological trainwreck. As I went to 4 of them told me wait it out. Screw that. They only test half assed and make you wait 8 weeks to come back to do anything. In mean while you are feeling like crap. Sorry bro, but looks like you self castrated your self due to poor lifechoices like many of the people end up coming to see me. Probably suffering from insulin resistance, low cortisol low catecholamines, low testosterone, high e2 (from excessive of caffines consumption), low potatssium, sodium, magnesium (from excessive caffeinie), low serotonion, t4/t3 conversion issues. You need to do a complete metabolic over hall. Caffiene will erode away your Gi lining in stomach and intestines causing irritation so you probably are not absorbing 1/2 of what you eat or nutrients. YOu really need help my freind and endos are last person you want to goto..
03-14-2011, 10:20 AM
Is there anyone you can recommend in Massachusetts? I was hoping to get this taken care of w insurance but everyone I have seen so far has been a f'ing waste of time like u said.
03-14-2011, 10:32 AM
03-30-2011, 11:08 AM
Quick update ...
Just saw my endo a few days ago I requested a full indepth hormone and thyroid panel but all he tested me for was estradiol, cortisol, prolactin, and Free T4
free t4 was 1.05 Ng/dl standard range .8 - 1.8
Prolactin 8.7ng/ml standard range 2.1 - 17.7
estradiol 36pg/ml standard range 0 - 54
still awaiting cortisol results
So as you can see my e2 really isn't that bad afterall. I was having a major blonde moment ... The initial test my pcp did was estrogens total (serum) ... So my e2 wasn't 133 pg/ml that was my total estrogen... sorry about the confusion.
So now I'm wondering if I should really b concerned about my estrogen as it isn't as bad as I nearly thought. Also I'm wondering if the formestane I was taking had any affect at all on my recent E2 test as I only stopped taking it roughly 2 weeks prior to bloodwork. When I had my total estrogen measured a few months ago I had stopped taking all supplements for an entire month prior to bloodwor.
04-07-2011, 04:07 PM
04-07-2011, 04:11 PM
04-08-2011, 08:11 AM
i also am beginning to wonder how much of these people really want to get well?
The only problem is they are not willing to do what it takes to do it so they most likely wont
I see the same people with same issue never getting better year after years. Why because they do not need to do what it takes better
From intercellular testing I saw pattern resemebling alcohol abuse on drs patient. "oh I forgot to mention that" he replied. I asked him how many a day. He goes 3 beers a day and 2 6 pack on weekens. Wondering why we was on armidex all has all these estrogen related issues. I see cases like this all the time. People get pissed off about, nutrients deficiency can not cause this or that. Sorry charlie if you are slamming down beers all the time no freaken wonder you have issues.
04-12-2011, 07:26 PM
Probably not the problem man, just starting taking mag oil only a few months prior to the initial bw. I've been feeling 'not well' for the last 15 years or so. Anyways I'm saving up to see a good endo as the last two docs I saw are barley scratching the surface. I tell them I feel tired all the time, am depressed, have bad anxiety, have barely any sensitivity left in my penis, and they tell me everythings ok, just take a multiMatrix, what is the possibility that this is causing the rise in estrogen???
Matrix let me ask you a question ... suppose my problems aren't hormonal ... say I am just clinically depressed and have a chemical imbalance .. Is that something you would be able to test for?
04-12-2011, 09:00 PM
04-13-2011, 09:57 PM
What's the common or correct dosing time for arimidex when on TRT? I mean for instance if you do shots first thing AM, should you take your arimidex at whatever dose/frequency (EOD for example) you are dosing it at also in the AM along with the shots?
Or shots in the AM, and arimidex in the PM? Or does it really not even matter?
04-14-2011, 07:19 AM
04-14-2011, 09:38 PM
thanks matrix. Reading this article: http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm
Wondering, what is the correlation between high estrogen and LH levels? If your estrogen is too high, does it plummet your LH levels to well below normal values? Or does it have no affect specifically on LH levels?
04-14-2011, 10:01 PM
04-14-2011, 10:17 PM
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