Lifting and Liver Panels
- 02-22-2011, 10:37 PM
Lifting and Liver Panels
Iíve been getting blood tests for liver functions to track my recovery from mono which I had back in August-September and got a question. Can lifting/gym activities skew liver panels? Specifically ALT(SGPT) and AST(SGOT)?
I feel like the effects of mono have subsided but the following tests show something is still going on. Iíve been hitting the gym pretty hard over the past month and want to know if I should stop. I havenít been consuming alcohol. I have an appt with a hematologist coming up but wanted your guyís input.
ALT(SGPT): 74 (0-65)
AST(SGOT): 87 (0-45)
ALT(SGPT): 67 (0-65)
AST(SGOT): 162 (0-45)
- 02-22-2011, 11:01 PM
- 02-23-2011, 08:42 AM
From my understand and my doctors point of view liver values can be higher than normal if you train very hard and intense very often. I lift Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. And I train MMA Monday, Wednsday, Friday. So basically Saturday is my only OFF day.
I have had elevated liver values coz of this + high protein intake.
My doctor recommended me to slow down but pff, like I'd do that
Just thought I'd share.
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02-23-2011, 11:05 AM
Once a person has heptitatis or other viral infection liver enzymes may end up being high for a prolong peroid of time even up to years.
I be looking at magnesium deficiency, subclincal hypothyroidism, overtraining or bodies ablity to not recovery properly. May be advisableto run CPK as it will give an indication of muscle break down which could be a sign to slow down and slower recovery.
02-23-2011, 07:22 PM
ryansm- yea I lifted the night before the bloodwork and the sample was drawn the next morning. So yea I am assuming there was some impact but the range being almost 3x the max range has be concerned. Is it possible foe someone with an already healthy liver to have similar results if they are lifting a lot?
ConcreteConny: I dont lift that much and prob not as intense as you do. I'm in the gym 3-4x week working back/bi's, chest/tri, legs/shoulder on a rotation. My protein intake i would say is on the high side. I want to continue lifting but am worried that doing so could cause damage..
Matrix: As you know I've been feeling bad even before the mono. I really do beleive hypothyroid is a very real possibility for me. My mom's side has thyroid issues and the symptoms here hit the nail on the head http://www.livestrong.com/article/10...-symptoms-men/. I'm gonna schedule another appt with my endocrin and get a full look at thyroid.
Do you guys think it's safe for me to keep lifting or should I take a break? Obviously I dont want to continue if I risk damaging my liver. I though just alcohol and contact sport were an issue but apparently I may be wrong.
02-23-2011, 09:30 PM
02-23-2011, 10:37 PM
Ya I agree with the Matrix, go back to the doc and get some extensive blood work done. Express your concerns and even bring up what you heard here<can't hurt. By the way what medications are you taking if any, and did you take any OTC drugs prior to the test?
02-24-2011, 03:29 PM
First off don't panic. I get blood work done every other week and have for the last year and a half. Doctors will tell you as will the lab rats, that even though there is a normal range for everything it is not uncommon for someone to be high one week and low the next. I've even seen it a lot on my blood work, liver enzymes running a little high then down then high. It has to do with what you eat, activites ,ect. Lots of things can raise your liver enzymes, as long as they don't go extremly high and stay there then you should be fine. Take some milk thistle if your worried it will help. But as every one suggested it is always good to talk to your doc too just to make sure everything is fine.
02-24-2011, 03:53 PM
02-24-2011, 04:04 PM
02-24-2011, 04:11 PM
02-24-2011, 04:16 PM
Thanks for the info. I nver heard that but I actually do take glutamine, cycling 5 days on two off so I dont' get acclimated to it. Also do veggie juicers, and try to stay away from processed foods and foods containing preservatives. Though, hey, I'm only human I still enjoy my fast food every now and then.
02-24-2011, 06:19 PM
I got some info on blood work done last saturday for mono and the epstein bar virus (EBV). I no longer have mono (thank god) but one of the 2 ebv tests were out of range (cant post the labs dont have them yet my mom called in for them). I believe back in august I had EBV first which turned to mono. EBV stays dormant in the system for life which sucks.
Im taking vitamin d, dhea cream, p5p, and zinc supplements everyday. Was taking a multivitamin but ran out and didnt re-order any. Been taking all of this for a while now.
I have appts with a hemotoligist and endo coming to discuss thess issues and also hypothyroidism.
I just really hope I can continue lifting. It's really my only outlet for all this **** i've been going through for a while now. If that gets takn away idk what I'm gonna do..
02-24-2011, 07:37 PM
I work as a biochemist in a hospital medical laboratory - just because youre outside the reference range doesnt always mean theres an issue. Were human, we dont always fit the mold. In your case the ALT seems normal for a man who is in constant physical activity and I imagine you have a diet that correlates which would insinuate that naturally you have higher liver enzymes to support your metabolism. In addition, fighting the infection would cause an increase as a response trying to fight it. BUT that AST=162 raises an eyebrow. Are you taking any medications? When I see a liver panel thats relatively normal with the exception of AST thats my first instinct.
02-25-2011, 12:04 AM
elevated enzyme I be checking with a liver specialist. If you walked into my offfice with those results and Ultrasound would be the next step now since your mono is gone recheck adrenals as they may have been low but where juSt testing normal because the infection was masking it. If that is true then adrenAl support would be needed. If you have good insurance then nutra eval is also in check. I would also seen high liver enzyme i'm bacterial infections of the gi tract. Again further evaluation is needed. I do not think and Endo or other specialist would even know where to begin, but I have a suspectiom what it may be because your symptoms and patterns match another patients that I have been dealing for 2 years and we finally hit gold last week to put a lid on his case
02-25-2011, 05:56 PM
OrganicShadow: I'm only taking what i stated above (vitamin d, dhea cream, p5p, and zinc supplements)
Matrix: Yea my primary said the hemotologist he is referring me to will most likely want to get an untrasound of the liver and additional blood work. I am going to see my endo for thyroid and prolactin issues primarily but I will touch on this
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