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    Is TRT my last option?


    Hey folks,

    long story short. I'm 26 and my test is under 300. Have the usual low test symptoms like NO! libido, moody, fatigue etc.

    Well, my doc put me on hcg but it did not work for me. Tried several quantities like 250 iu, 500 iu and even over 1000 iu. My test jumped just a little over 400. Felt a little better but still bad.

    Afterwards we tried testogel. Applied it on my forearms but had veeeeeeeeeeery bad sideeffects. Enormous pain in my testicles, prostate and kidneys. My doc told me that the cause could be that testogel rises DHT very strong in my body.

    Well, the next step is TRT with hcg. What do you think? I am not a bodybuilder hence I do not care about trt levels for becoming a roney coleman. I would be happy about test level in the 700 range. Doses? TRT with hcg? Just TRT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aisman View Post
    Hey folks,

    long story short. I'm 26 and my test is under 300. Have the usual low test symptoms like NO! libido, moody, fatigue etc.

    Well, my doc put me on hcg but it did not work for me. Tried several quantities like 250 iu, 500 iu and even over 1000 iu. My test jumped just a little over 400. Felt a little better but still bad.

    Afterwards we tried testogel. Applied it on my forearms but had veeeeeeeeeeery bad sideeffects. Enormous pain in my testicles, prostate and kidneys. My doc told me that the cause could be that testogel rises DHT very strong in my body.

    Well, the next step is TRT with hcg. What do you think? I am not a bodybuilder hence I do not care about trt levels for becoming a roney coleman. I would be happy about test level in the 700 range. Doses? TRT with hcg? Just TRT?
    I have gotten alot of people started by looking at the primary cause and not just the symptoms. Some times it just takes a little time to dig around to look for the cause. Low T is a symptoms of the cause. We need to find out if you are primary or secondary examine hidden stressors , elimate them and support the body till it rebalance it self. Pm me for details
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Thanks Matrix for your answer. Well, I've been looking for the primary cause for ages and no doc can give me an answer. Have had all kinds of blood works and the only bad results I've got is my hormon household (low test, low dopamin, high prolactin etc.). Well and some interleucins are messed up. Like IL1, IL2, IL6, IL10 and IL12. Actually all I have tested. After years of researching I see that trt is the last option. I'll just tell you some tests I made so far:

    -several stool tests. Even send stool samples to high sensitiv labs to the UK (I am from Switzerland)
    -all kinds of blood works. many Hormons, many IL's, Th1 Th2, all kinds of Vitamins,
    -many many magnetic resonance imaging of body, head, back etc.,
    -bloodworks for many bacterias and viruses
    -all kinds of heavy metal tests
    -all kinds of urology tests like ultra sound, x-ray's etc.

    and and and

    that was just a small snippet of my tests.

    So do u have any other idea than taking trt?
    Any other ideas?
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    Well, any advice at least how to take trt properly? I actually do not want to believe everything my doc tells me.

    My test should be around 700. Now it is most of the time under 300. I've made 8 testosteron tests and the result was two times higher then 300. One was 418 and the other 435.

    Would like to take trt with hcg since I do not want to shut down my testicles.

    Any idea of the doses? And which kind of testosteron? cypionate, Propionat etc.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aisman View Post
    Well, any advice at least how to take trt properly? I actually do not want to believe everything my doc tells me.

    My test should be around 700. Now it is most of the time under 300. I've made 8 testosteron tests and the result was two times higher then 300. One was 418 and the other 435.

    Would like to take trt with hcg since I do not want to shut down my testicles.

    Any idea of the doses? And which kind of testosteron? cypionate, Propionat etc.?
    Dr would be idiot to give you TRT when your nuts are working fine. Dr's are just plan lazy and do not look at the cause of things such as hidden stressors (mental, emotional , environmnental, infections, gut , food allergies, thyroid and adrenal imbalance, and altered estrodial. Some times it may take me a week to figure out what is going on, but eventually I do and can give some suggestion and recommendations to get people back to balance. If interested PM me for further details.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    thanks matrix. I just tried to send you a pm but cannot. Since I am a new member I need more posts to be able to send u a pm.

    Well, I did many tests on food allergies and I have none. My thyroid is in a perfect shape. Have tested it many times. Well, how to test the adrenal? If you usually test it with urine then my urologist tested it many times and it is okay.

    But I do not know if I have tested estradiol?! I actually do not know what it is. Fact is, that I went to at least 30 or 40 good physiciants. Many of them told me that the cause is mental... what I do not believe.
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    I would bet 100$ it's a gut parasite infection causing cortisol suppression of T. Trick is loading up your body with anti parasite herbs to see them in the stool so the lab reveals them - most of the time the lab will not reveal them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bomb402 View Post
    I would bet 100$ it's a gut parasite infection causing cortisol suppression of T. Trick is loading up your body with anti parasite herbs to see them in the stool so the lab reveals them - most of the time the lab will not reveal them.
    Thanks bob402 for your message. Unfortunately I had the same idea one year ago and sent a stool sample to several labs. Well, the result was negative of course hence I started researching and figured out that just a few labs in the world are able and have the experience to find parasites. I actually just found 3 labs worldwide. South Africa, England and Australia. Since England is next to me I sent it to England. But the result was the same. No parasites, eggs etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by aisman View Post
    Thanks bob402 for your message. Unfortunately I had the same idea one year ago and sent a stool sample to several labs. Well, the result was negative of course hence I started researching and figured out that just a few labs in the world are able and have the experience to find parasites. I actually just found 3 labs worldwide. South Africa, England and Australia. Since England is next to me I sent it to England. But the result was the same. No parasites, eggs etc...
    You need to get it done by a special labs..Normal labs will not pick it up because they are not sensitive enought.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    You need to get it done by a special labs..Normal labs will not pick it up because they are not sensitive enought.
    I am sorry. I guess that my english is just too bad to express myself correctly. With my last post I tried to explain, that I found 3 special labs that are specialised for parasites and are high sensitive. There 3 labs are supposed to be the best labs for parasites in the world. The result was negative.

    Again, sorry for the missunderstanding.
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    LOL lots of total snake oil salesmen in here. dude, TRT may be a good option. it will make you healthier and feel 100 times better. id listen to your doc, sounds like he knows what he is doing...

    im 27 and on TRT
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    Quote Originally Posted by DT5 View Post
    LOL lots of total snake oil salesmen in here. dude, TRT may be a good option. it will make you healthier and feel 100 times better. id listen to your doc, sounds like he knows what he is doing...

    im 27 and on TRT
    Well, around a half year ago when he put me on androgel he told me: "We've been looking for ages for the cause of your symptoms. You've been to many good physicians and we have not found anything. You've got 3 options. 1. We keep looking for the cause but after all the years I do not see anything what we can do, 2. I'll send you to a neurologist and he'll put you on anti-depressants or send you to a psychologist and 3. we try to eliminate your symptoms with hormons.

    I took the 3. option since I do not see any other way. I have spent thounds of dollars for researching and many many people told me that they will cure me. Nothing has happend. I've been suffering for years and if there is an injection that can cure me why not? It could be a new life. The first three days of androgel were awesome. Imagine, I had a morning erection!!! I hadn't had a morning errection for years before and I was horny. That was a new experience for me. And the most important thing: My depression and all the low dopamine symptoms went away. It is aweful when your body does things you cannot control. Like shivering, brain zaps etc. It is aweful. And all the depressions and bad mood and no motivation for anything.

    Well, that is why I still prefer the stroide way. But I am very open and thankful for any other ideas I haven't done so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DT5 View Post
    LOL lots of total snake oil salesmen in here. dude, TRT may be a good option. it will make you healthier and feel 100 times better. id listen to your doc, sounds like he knows what he is doing...

    im 27 and on TRT
    Snakeoil dude,
    Things that I uses is pure medical science that goes out side the box and have been medically document in clincal studes. Small bacteria overgrowth is real and it needs to be addressed before even starting TRT because it can actually make it worse adding more stress to an already toxic liver.
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    You should post all your lab work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Snakeoil dude,
    Things that I uses is pure medical science that goes out side the box and have been medically document in clincal studes. Small bacteria overgrowth is real and it needs to be addressed before even starting TRT because it can actually make it worse adding more stress to an already toxic liver.

    then why do the actual doctors who post on mesoRX, think your a quack? exactly...
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    please, let's get back to the serious important problem...me))) Joke! No really, stop arguing.

    Well, have collected many lab results over the years. I could actually post the results which showed messed up results. And as I said, just interleucins and hormons were messed up. Interleucins: all I have tested and hormons: high prolactin, low test, low free test, LH in lower range. All other hormons were normal I have tested.

    Well it was just strange how fast my test drops down over the day. Two time I have tested my test twice a day. Result: In the morning in 300 range and at 1pm around 100. Do not want to know how it is at night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DT5 View Post
    then why do the actual doctors who post on mesoRX, think your a quack? exactly...
    Scally lost his licensce so he is not a true MD anymore Hes trying to get it back. I respect the man totally about his clincal approach to help educating people, but Dr's need to look out side the traditional scope.
    I must be some quack when I work with MD,ND's, and other medical professional around the globe in helping dealing with patients issues. I am actually Also when you have a valid testing sample come back positive that only adds more validity to reason doing things so that is not quackery. Cracking cases dealing with EMF triggering genetic polymorphism is not qauckery when identifed by genetic testing which these people had no clue that they even suffered from. SO a qauck validated by clincal testing explain that one. People can bash me all I want I could care freaken less because I know the impact I have had on giving peoples a better QOL..
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    again, stop!!!
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    Hey guys,

    have started my new therapy recently. I take 250iu HCG every 3,5th day and just 15mg test Cyp every 4th day.

    I feel very good. Morning wood and libido is ok. Plus good mood, no fear and no depression. Also have lost entirely my little belly and have gained 5 pounds. Everything just in 1 week.

    I am happy I have done this step.
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    GLad you are feeling better..Keep us posted.
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    Would 15 mg every 4th day even warrant hcg use? Could 15 mg (although estered) even trigger negative feedback in the average joe?
  

  
 

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