HGH,TEST, HCG, No more morning wood
03-27-2010 07:56 AM
HGH,TEST, HCG, No more morning wood
just started therapy been on about 1 full week, and morning wood and sex drive have disapeared... taking 200mg test /wk 1.5 iu's hgh and 500iu hcg 2x/week. should i give this more time or should this regime be tweaked?? any advice.
03-27-2010 10:54 AM
Get your estadiol tested. I would be willing to bet that it is high and that will kill the libido. Think about trying some Arimidex or liquidex.
03-27-2010 12:04 PM
I agree with the last poster your on a lot of T per week. I eat up the T as fast as I take it so to keep Estradiol levels down I do my Test C shots every 3 days 80 mgs and I do HCG the day before my next T shot.
You need to test your Estradiol levels and if your to high this is your problem. Get some Arimidex or Indolplex/DIM to get his down here are some copys from some files I made about taking arimidex of DIM.
How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.
What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs.
The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it.
Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.
I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up.
I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days.
So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.
I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need .25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.
So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel.
Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.
Most compounding pharmacies will require a prescription from a doctor, before they do this.
Once your prescription says "300 caps x 0.1mg" or "600 caps x 0.05mg" anastrozole "from 1 to 4 daily", (anastrozole = generic arimidex) then they will compound your arimidex, or generic anastrozole, and they will usually supply the arimidex as compounded into the caps you require.
My compounding pharmacist was prepared to allow me to supply the arimidex too. If you have several boxes of arimidex in your cupboard, then you may want to ask your pharmacist to do this for you.
If you don't have any arimidex stores, then just let the compounding pharmacy supply the whole lot.
A pack of 30 tabs of 1.0mg arimidex will give 300 caps at 0.1mg-per-cap, or 600 caps at 0.05mg-per-cap.
So if your pharmacy chooses to supply arimidex as opposed to generic anastrozole, then your pharmacy will most likely not agree to only charge you for a half-a-box of arimidex, and most likely they'll charge for a whole box, even if your prescription says 300 caps at 0.05mg-per-cap (total of 15mg).
ALL ABOUT DIM.
Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose not get killed in your stomach when you take it.
Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men.
in this link it's full of links about it.
If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps to keep it from getting killed in your stomach.
The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM.
How to take Indolplex/DIM take one tablet 120 mgs at dinner time it can take 2 weeks to 2 months to get your Estradiol levels down its all about how high you are in your levels. What you need to do is get this down to about 20 pg/ml. When you get this low your night time and morning wood will come back so strong it will wake you up this means most of the time your at your best levels or what I call the sweet spot. Keep taking the DIM but if your wood stops your going down to low so just stop taking it. The day your wood comes back go back on the DIM but cut the tablet in half. If your Testosterone was tested and low but your not on TRT get it tested again you might find your levels came up some 200 to 300 points.
03-27-2010 12:35 PM
.25mg arimidex EOD IMO.. That wont lower your estro too bad, but enough to get the benefits.
03-27-2010 04:45 PM
thanks for the info, i am going to start taking anestrozole 1mg on fridays and mondays is it ok to take DIM in conjunction with the anestrozole. how long should i give it going to get my labs done again in a few weeks, thanks for any insight
03-27-2010 06:30 PM
When I did both it made me sick and I broke out in a rash on the back of my legs. Do one or the other not both at the same time.
Originally Posted by Chuckwheat
03-27-2010 10:06 PM
Chuck, adex is strong stuff. 2mg per week is pretty high. It may knock you down too low too fast. Start of slow and work your way up if needed. Start with either .25mg or .5 mg EOD or E3D. If you go to low, you will be having the same problems you are having from being high, no libido and no morning wood.
03-28-2010 09:53 AM
i have 1mg caps of generic anestrozole i don't think you can break them... i am going to look into getting tabs that can be broken into smaller doses thanks.
03-28-2010 11:11 AM
Guys if you get your Arimidex like I got it a 90 days supply through Caremark or Medco for a co-pay don't do like I did when Caremark sent me my next 90 days supply I only used a small amount of the pills. So like a dummy I pored them in the same bottle I had on top of the older ones I has 3 refills of 90 and put them on top of the older ones.
Long story shot in time as I used them I was using newer pills going down to older ones. So in time my Arimidex was past the Exp. date and not working as good. I found I needed to take a one mg. pill that the effect of a .25 mg. pill. I think as it gets older it gets weaker and if you cut the Pills in to 1/4 parts only cut one at a time I feel the cut pills get weaker. I was cutting 4 pills at a time.
Similar Forum Threads
By need4speed in forum Male Anti-Aging Medicine
Last Post: 03-30-2010, 06:39 AM
By cumkwakka in forum Male Anti-Aging Medicine
Last Post: 07-19-2008, 09:21 AM
By corndog in forum Male Anti-Aging Medicine
Last Post: 09-24-2007, 07:52 PM
By Hyde12 in forum Male Anti-Aging Medicine
Last Post: 04-04-2007, 06:09 AM
By BigAk in forum Male Anti-Aging Medicine
Last Post: 01-31-2007, 03:20 PM