Is there a good way to lower DHT?
03-23-2010 09:26 PM
03-24-2010 07:34 AM
If that is the case and i beg to differ -the reasons ill explain later, youre basing the claim that the supplement boosts test on a powerful antioxidant which i find bizarre.
Originally Posted by celc5
Why i dont think its the main ingredient , unless your labelling laws are different, the main ingredient has to be listed firsthere in the UK;in this case saw palmetto.
THE dosage i quoted was found to be ideal for BPH
B. Sources of the Standardized Extract
The standardized extract of saw palmetto is two capsules daily of 160 mg (or one capsule of 320 mg) containing 85-95% sterols and lipids. The non-standardized extract can be any amount of sterols and lipids—invariably a lot less. Basically the non-standardized extract is almost always the raw powder of saw palmetto. That's why there is usually a lot more of it than in the standardized extract—in order to try to make up for its weak concentration.
In a nutshell the difference is this: with a standardized extract you know what you are getting, very much like you do with pharmaceutical drugs. With the non-standardized extract you don't. If you use a raw saw palmetto product instead of an extract, you will need to compensate for its reduced potency by taking larger dosages, but there is no easy way to figure out exactly how much of the raw product is equivalent to the extract.
On the basis of my research to date I think that the best recommendation is to take one 320 mg daily of a standardized saw palmetto extract containing from 85% to 95% fatty acids and sterols SOURCED FROM;-
DHT has a role to play and contributes to muscle building-reducing it may be counter productive DHT is 3 times more potent than testosterone,
DHT is also an anti estrogen
sourced from "http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/arnold/dht.htm
DHT is one of those good guy / bad guy hormones that is sorely misunderstood. For many people, it is NOT something that you want to reduce or eliminate in the body. For some others though, keeping DHT levels under control is probably a prudent course of action. Knowing the facts about DHT will help you decide just which group you belong to.
Anti – Estrogen effects of DHT
One important function of DHT in the body that does not get much discussion is its antagonism of estrogen. Some men that take Proscar learn this the hard way – by developing a case of gynecomastia. By reducing DHT’s protection against estrogen in the body, these men have fallen victim to its most dreaded ramification – bitch tits!
How does DHT protect against estrogen? There are at least three ways that this likely occurs. First of all, DHT directly inhibits estrogens activity on tissues. It either does this by acting as a competitive antagonist to the estrogen receptor or by decreasing estrogen-induced RNA transcription at a point subsequent to estrogen receptor binding.
Second of all, DHT and its metabolites have been shown to directly block the production of estrogens from androgens by inhibiting the activity of the aromatase enzyme. The studies done in breast tissue showed that DHT, androsterone, and 5alpha-androstandione are potent inhibitors of the formation of estrone from androstenedione. 5alpha-androstandione was shown to be the most potent, while androsterone was the least.
Lastly, DHT acts on the hypothalamus / pituitary to decrease the secretion of gonadotropins. By decreasing the secretion of gonadotropins you decrease the production of the raw materials for estrogen production – testosterone and androstenedione (DHT itself cannot aromatize into estrogens).
Frankly i get annoyed with supplement companies who bring out a new product, dress it up by giving the ingredients their latin names which implies it looks good and raises interest and makes claims which have yet to be proven
Dont they give us credit for having any intelligence!
03-24-2010 08:35 AM
Not all supplements provide the same benefits to everyone. The ones that work for a majority, on a consistent basis, are the ones that sell. This is marketing, and free enterprise. Most people know that there is hype involved with supplements. Either a supplement works for you or it doesnt. Advertising and hype is part of the package. Without those factors there would be no progress in supplementation and the Science of it. This is Democracy, capitalism and Scientific advance rolled into one. I read all the hype in the context of; will it work for me? Based on my own research and experience. The hype is part of this.
03-24-2010 09:19 AM
no disrespect to you but i see you are an older member of the community and have enough experience under your belt to see through the package but there are those in their late teens and twenties who wont be so "world -wise" and its unfortunate that supplement companies play on this.
Originally Posted by Knowbull
03-24-2010 09:48 AM
I just am becoming concerned with the direction of this board, it is such a valuable resource. I understand marketing but only being able to provide links to approved drs and supps is a concern to me. Sure I can usually find them but not everyone can.
Has anyone else noticed that Jansz hasnt posted in 11 days? Or Matrix in about a month?
03-24-2010 09:54 AM
I do understand DHT's role in the body and your previous post is valid. It's quite possible that Myodrol is not the supplement of choice for those who do not have DHT related issues when test is increased. Feel free to not try it if it doesn't sound like a supplement that would be beneficial for you.
At the same time, I'm sure you understand how post #18 could be interpreted as a dig to the product without context or support.
Finally, labeling order is dictated by "how much" of the total content is made up by that particular ingredient. It has nothing do with potency or priority of function.
03-24-2010 10:42 AM
thats what i said "Why i dont think its the main ingredient , unless your labelling laws are different, the main ingredient has to be listed firsthere in the UK;in this case saw palmetto -doesnt how much equal main?
Originally Posted by celc5
if you think post 18 is a dig to the product im surprised .All i havedone is pointed out the more common name to this herb rather than the latin ive also made readers aware that this isnt anything new , saw palmetto has been around for ages and so has the anti oxidant.Consequently they can be found in a health food store and saw palmetto in a standardised version , i would assume at a cheaper price than Axis labs will sell their product for.
i think unless you have the evidence to say otherwise, that you should declare that this is not a test booster but a supplement to promote prostate health by the possible reduction of dht with the use of saw palmetto and a free radical scavanger using the powerful antioxidant Astaxanthin which protects the cells against free radicals;helps maintain healthy joints by favourably influencing the condition of cartilage. And it helps support balanced energy levels and healthy immune function
i notice also it is a proprietary blend so unless the full ingredients have not been declared of which something not listed ,may influence a rise in test , then i stick by what i say.
Last edited by corsaking; 03-24-2010 at 11:13 AM.
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03-24-2010 11:14 AM
Let's use an obvious example that is unrelated to this product to demonstrate the labeling procedure: Let's say you would have a prop blend of 20mg of SD and 50mg of Halo. The profile might look something like this:
Originally Posted by corsaking
Anabolic Matrix 70mg
The potent ingredient is SD, not the halo even though it's listed first (because it makes up more content in the prop blend).
The same is true in every single sleep aide that contains melatonin. Even at DOULBE dose, melatonin would be the last thing listed in a sleep aide prop blend almost every time even though it's the "main" or most potent ingredient.
Let's put this topic to rest as we clearly don't see eye to eye and have deviated from the initial purpose of the thread
03-27-2010 07:10 PM
what does your psa number look like?
Originally Posted by nycjimi
03-27-2010 07:21 PM
one thing to consider is the extract. i think everyone knows there is a big difference between fenugreek and testofen/nettle root and divaniil/hgw and icariin/geranium root and 1,3 dime.............the myotesterone has a patent, so i would suspect it has something to do with the extraction process-either the extraction it's self or the part used.
Originally Posted by corsaking
03-27-2010 11:56 PM
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